This really ****** me off

[Shakermaker]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/germany_results/tables/default.stm

Martin Jol's new team are in ******* 1st place AND they lost their two best players - Van Der Vaart and Kompany. This is an absolute **** take and the spurs faithful were right for wanting to keep the big man, we wanted to give him a chance but obviously the 'powers that be' knew better. Needless to say our patience is thin due to the appalling circumstances, I have no patience anymore. THis is the biggest mockery of the club ever, even worse than Newcastle. Can you even ******* imagine if Jols new team won their league and we got relegated. I cannot even describe how much of a piss tkae of a club we would be if that happened.

 

[senseispab]

To be fair, by the end a lot of fans wanted someone new too.

 

[flatback4]

I hope Hamburg do win the German Lge - not for Jol to stick 2 fingers up to Levy and co - but because he's a good coach and deserves success.

Tottenham won't get relegated. Shit though we are at the moment, over the whole season - incredible tho it is to believe - there will be 3 teams who are worse.

 

[Shakermaker]

Yeah we probably wont get relegated but its still the principle of it. Almighty Levy sacks Jol because he thinks he is too **** to get into champions league, and he goes to another club and wins the ******* championship (or gets champs league) while Spurs struggle to make top half

We have a right to be angry

 

[Bromavinci]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing

 

[Shakermaker]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing

Its not tho is it? The only reason we wanted Jol out last season was because of the complete ******* mess Levy had put him in. If Levy hadnt been such a **** we wouldnt have wanted Jol out. and we wanted Jol out with regret like the Apprentice. We didnt want him to leave but unfortunately there was no way he could carry on in the circumstances so he had to go. The circumstances were created by Levy.

 

[dontcallme]

Hindsight is a beautiful thing

It's not even really hindisght though is it. Hamburg have started well with Jol in charge and we've started poorly. This does not mean if Jol was still here we would be fighting for a CL place. The way we were performing last season in the league under Jol we could have been in a relegation fight.

Everytime we lose a game do we really need several threads stating an ex Spurs player scored the same weekend or an ex-manager is doing well? iit really is irrelevant.

 

[MattyP]

Its not tho is it? The only reason we wanted Jol out last season was because of the complete ******* mess Levy had put him in. If Levy hadnt been such a **** we wouldnt have wanted Jol out. and we wanted Jol out with regret like the Apprentice. We didnt want him to leave but unfortunately there was no way he could carry on in the circumstances so he had to go. The circumstances were created by Levy.

So it had absolutely nothing to do with the piss poor results we were getting at the time?

Had we won games at the start of last season, Jol would still have been in the job.

I know what you are going to say now. The board contributed in the poor results by undermining Jol.

Well, I'm a contractor, my contract is finishing in two months, I am still giving 110%, delivering on everything I was asked to and more, and motivating the team I have working for me in delivering the team's goals. And I'm not getting paid millions of pounds to do so.

I wish Jol all the best, but what's the point in looking back. How far back shall we go? Keith Burkinshaw?

 

[SpurSince57]

We were talking to Ramos long before the start of last season.

 

[Shanks]

4 games, 3 points under Jol, 4 games 1 point under Ramos.

Rather than get rid of our current manager, why not give him a few seasons to see what happens.

As much as I loved Jol, thats in the past, and we need to be looking at the present now, so give Ramos the time that he needs, and no doubt he will deliver.

 

[Shakermaker]

So it had absolutely nothing to do with the piss poor results we were getting at the time?

Had we won games at the start of last season, Jol would still have been in the job.

I know what you are going to say now. The board contributed in the poor results by undermining Jol.

Well, I'm a contractor, my contract is finishing in two months, I am still giving 110%, delivering on everything I was asked to and more, and motivating the team I have working for me in delivering the team's goals. And I'm not getting paid millions of pounds to do so.

I wish Jol all the best, but what's the point in looking back. How far back shall we go? Keith Burkinshaw?

Levy was being a **** before the start of last season, wasn't it 1/2 games in and there were pictures of meeting Ramos?

and I'm sorry but business and sport are completely different

 

[TrueYid]

We were talking to Ramos long before the start of last season.

This is the main problem, yes most of us were happy to get rid of Jol at the end, but his position had been undermined before the season even began, so the fact that we started poorly could be explained by the fact that there was so much pressure on the team and the manager, that every dicission was highlighted so strongly.

If Ramos can turn it around who says BMJ couldn't have, (he certainly did the season before)

At the end of the day, BMJ had to go, but only because of the backstabing of the men in charge prior to the season begining.

... and of course purchasing players for positions we didn't need and ignoring the blatant obvious (which seems to have happened again)

I still believe Ramos can turn it around, I for one am happy to see us climb the table and finish mid-table, go on a good cup run, and then sign SPECIALIST players in the SPECIALIST positions we need, and not 5 or 10, 3 or 4.

 

[MattyP]

Levy was being a **** before the start of last season, wasn't it 1/2 games in and there were pictures of meeting Ramos?

and I'm sorry but business and sport are completely different

Yeah, Levy was a real ****, investing more in the squad than the vast majority of chairman in the league.

He backed Jol financially, expected a return on the investment. In my opinion, he got a return, in two fifth place finishes. But he wanted more, as do we all.

But anyway, unless you are Marty McFly I can't see anything constructive about raking up old ground. Levy admitted they made mistakes, let's hope he has learnt from them and doesn't have the same knee jerk reaction and stands by Ramos in the way he arguably should have done with Jol.

Believe it or not, I do agree with some of what you say, but it is a fruitless and pointless exercise, one we did to death at the time.

 

[LSUY]

Levy admitted they made mistakes, let's hope he has learnt from them and doesn't have the same knee jerk reaction and stands by Ramos in the way he arguably should have done with Jol.

Didn't he get rid of Hoddle after a poor start and a lot of money spent? :???:

 

[teddyboy]

What about Ramos out and Keegan in....

:shrug:

 

[MattyP]

Didn't he get rid of Hoddle after a poor start and a lot of money spent? :???:

Well, actually he got rid of hoddle after a really bad finish to the season, a lot of money spent, and a poor start to the next season.

So not that dis-similar to Ramos, but Ramos has a cup to allow him some time.

I do fear though that if in the next two weeks we go out of both the Uefa and the Carling Cups, and our league form hasn't improved, the axe may fall again.

All three of these are possible as well.

 

[hybridsoldier]

yes the german league is played over 4 games, so hamburg are the champions

why are you so fickle? its been 4 games, 4 fucking games, did you seriously think we were gonna challenge for 4th after losing our 2 best players.

We are in transition, Ramos knows this and I firmly believe hes putting all his eggs in one basket with the cups.

Remember Hamburg have virtually the same team as last year, as do aston villa, chelsea, man utd, liverpool, arsenal.

We have changed the way we play aswell as personnel...it aint gonna click in 4 fucking games

 

[Shakermaker]

yes the german league is played over 4 games, so hamburg are the champions

why are you so fickle? its been 4 games, 4 fucking games, did you seriously think we were gonna challenge for 4th after losing our 2 best players.

We are in transition, Ramos knows this and I firmly believe hes putting all his eggs in one basket with the cups.

Remember Hamburg have virtually the same team as last year, as do aston villa, chelsea, man utd, liverpool, arsenal.

We have changed the way we play aswell as personnel...it aint gonna click in 4 fucking games

No they don't? They lost their two best players.. Kompany and Van der Vaart.

 

[fazza]

What about Ramos out and Keegan in....

:shrug:

You certainly want championship football in 12 months then.

 

[Shakermaker]

You certainly want championship football in 12 months then.

When has Keegan actually 'failed' at a club? I can't actually think of one?