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Too many shots to get a goal?

spurious1

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Sep 20, 2005
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Everyone knows that we don't score enough goals, in spite of having near the most shots on goal in the league. So I decided to check how other teams did on that

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Of course the shots per game and goals per game are correlated, even if there is a lot of spread on the high side...as we all know, we have a terrible goal return with respect to the number of shots we take, whereas Man City (at least before yesterday), has a fantastic return. If you look at the relation between shots on target and goals, the relation is even clearer, and almost linear (for most...)

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for most teams, the number of goals per shots on target is pretty easily predicable, and the relationship is pretty linear, which doesn't seem surprising...the main exceptions are Man City (on the side of efficiency) and us (on the side of inefficiency) So actually the amount of shots we get on target is not really the problem; it's that apparently they are not as good as the average shot on target.

But what really matters are points...

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And there you see, we follow the trend as everyone else: the shots on target per game are an excellent indicator of the points per game, better even than the goals stored. Obviously that is because that stat encompasses other things, quality of the positions the players get in, possession, etc. so is a kind of multivariate indicator of general quality. And there we fall just on the average.

A couple of other interesting stats...how about possession?
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There you see two clumps around 45% and 55%, and a few outliers - Newcastle who play an efficient counter-attacking game, and Swansea (Landrup for Spurs?) who play a no-end-product possession game. The fact that the teams fall into such nice clusters might be due to the nature of the possession stat: there is a qualitative aspect to the attribution of possession, so there might be subconscious tendencies to attribute certain values.

Last one, the PPG verses pass completion

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Like the SOGPG, pass completion looks like a good indicator of points gained, with the exception of Swansea and their apparently useless passing around. Basically, if you know the pass completion percentage, you can guess the PPG within about 10%, or the inverse (except for a couple of teams)

I don't know what it means, except by the most robust seeming criteria, we are where we should be. Of course, we will win 9-0 today and it will all be invalidated!
 

Bobishism

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Aug 23, 2004
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Hate sounding like a broken record but i think it's all down to confidence. I feel that football is an instinctive game and for some reason our simplistic approach isn't quite panning out the way we'd hope. This creates a spiral of frustration, you make mistakes and waste chances which creates more frustration. Hopefully after a couple of good results, and a little consistency (line up etc), things will turn around and we'll see more GPG and in turn PPG.
 

SpursManChris

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May 15, 2007
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Everyone knows that we don't score enough goals, in spite of having near the most shots on goal in the league. So I decided to check how other teams did on that

mbsndi.png


Of course the shots per game and goals per game are correlated, even if there is a lot of spread on the high side...as we all know, we have a terrible goal return with respect to the number of shots we take, whereas Man City (at least before yesterday), has a fantastic return. If you look at the relation between shots on target and goals, the relation is even clearer, and almost linear (for most...)

n6w9aw.png


for most teams, the number of goals per shots on target is pretty easily predicable, and the relationship is pretty linear, which doesn't seem surprising...the main exceptions are Man City (on the side of efficiency) and us (on the side of inefficiency) So actually the amount of shots we get on target is not really the problem; it's that apparently they are not as good as the average shot on target.

But what really matters are points...

2147djl.png

And there you see, we follow the trend as everyone else: the shots on target per game are an excellent indicator of the points per game, better even than the goals stored. Obviously that is because that stat encompasses other things, quality of the positions the players get in, possession, etc. so is a kind of multivariate indicator of general quality. And there we fall just on the average.

A couple of other interesting stats...how about possession?
6rha4o.png


There you see two clumps around 45% and 55%, and a few outliers - Newcastle who play an efficient counter-attacking game, and Swansea (Landrup for Spurs?) who play a no-end-product possession game. The fact that the teams fall into such nice clusters might be due to the nature of the possession stat: there is a qualitative aspect to the attribution of possession, so there might be subconscious tendencies to attribute certain values.

Last one, the PPG verses pass completion

2iaygbt.png

Like the SOGPG, pass completion looks like a good indicator of points gained, with the exception of Swansea and their apparently useless passing around. Basically, if you know the pass completion percentage, you can guess the PPG within about 10%, or the inverse (except for a couple of teams)

I don't know what it means, except by the most robust seeming criteria, we are where we should be. Of course, we will win 9-0 today and it will all be invalidated!
What is your source?
 

hodsgod

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Jan 12, 2012
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Hate sounding like a broken record but i think it's all down to confidence. I feel that football is an instinctive game and for some reason our simplistic approach isn't quite panning out the way we'd hope. This creates a spiral of frustration, you make mistakes and waste chances which creates more frustration. Hopefully after a couple of good results, and a little consistency (line up etc), things will turn around and we'll see more GPG and in turn PPG.
Let's be fair, this team and it's manager are starting again. We are seeing Ade starting and a different formation with a more positive attitude.

We won't see how Tim has affected the teams performance for many weeks, the players have to make some adjustments etc.
 

Shea

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Apr 5, 2013
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Hate sounding like a broken record but i think it's all down to confidence. I feel that football is an instinctive game and for some reason our simplistic approach isn't quite panning out the way we'd hope. This creates a spiral of frustration, you make mistakes and waste chances which creates more frustration. Hopefully after a couple of good results, and a little consistency (line up etc), things will turn around and we'll see more GPG and in turn PPG.
A confident Soldado would have had a hattrick today, the more he plays in a team creating chances the more confident he will get and the more goals he will score

Same no doubt goes for several other players

We have a lot talent at our disposal, they've just been poorly managed under AVB and are low on confidence with little to no development of understandings with one another due to the high turnover of players and again poor management

Paulinho illustrates this today more than anyone, clearly a class player but taken a while to settle in and not shown his best form.

This rings true of most of our team, in fact most of our squad. It will take time but with consistency they will grow and soon we will become a force

We might need a couple of more pieces to our puzzle depending on who's available (perhaps another option upfront if JD leaves, a LB and a passing CM....even another option at cb if Kaboul is for the knackers yard) but over all we're I. Good shape it's just going to take some time to develop
 

SpursManChris

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http://www.whoscored.com

That was through the first 18 games, but they update it regularly. You can now see that we are 2nd in shots per game, 3rd best in shots conceded per game, and we also lead the league in dribbles per game and have the second least offsides per game (presumably because Defoe is not playing...)
We are 2nd in the league for number of shots???? That's unbelievable, I thought we hardly took any. Are you sure?
 

LiamJM10

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I'd rather us create good chances and miss them, than create none at all. If we're creating chances we at least have the opportunities to score. Soldado's had A LOT more since Sherwood's been in with Adebayor taking a load off of Soldado's shoulders (still drifts wide though, but Ade goes central as a response).

Soldado's missed a few glorious chances, but it'll come. Anyone doubting his quality should look at his Valencia form. It's not as if he scored shit goals, he just has little confidence. Once he gets one or two in the same game, he'll hit the ground running.
 
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