Top four finish?

[tooey]

How ever we do it, we need champions league, more than ever. We won't keep our best players happy for long if Poch's project doesn't amount to a trophy or CL.

 

[dontcallme]

How ever we do it, we need champions league, more than ever. We won't keep our best players happy for long if Poch's project doesn't amount to a trophy or CL.

We'll keep our best players unless the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona want them. Been like that the last 5 years with or without CL football.

 

[Graysonti]

We'll keep our best players unless the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona want them. Been like that the last 5 years with or without CL football.

Agree

Quite simply, we are building the best stadium in the UK to go with the best training facilities in the UK. The players drive past the enormous hole gradually enveloping WHL on way to games. It's tangible and not far away time wise. Most players would want to be a part of that.

 

[tooey]

We'll keep our best players unless the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona want them. Been like that the last 5 years with or without CL football.

I hope so, but I think that's a little naive. There are more clubs than ever capable of affording top tier players. If a player wants CL football and his head is turned then we'll have no choice but to sell, team spirit and desire are a massive part of Poch's sides after all.

 

[tooey]

Agree

Quite simply, we are building the best stadium in the UK to go with the best training facilities in the UK. The players drive past the enormous hole gradually enveloping WHL on way to games. It's tangible and not far away time wise. Most players would want to be a part of that.

I think you over estimate the modern day footballer, after all, they don't have the affinity with the club like we do. Do you honestly think that a new stadium would be a factor to a player who wants CL football, and as a result, to double his wages?

 

[mike_went_bananas]

How ever we do it, we need champions league, more than ever. We won't keep our best players happy for long if Poch's project doesn't amount to a trophy or CL.

Players leaving is only one of my concerns for us in the short to medium term, my biggest worry is that a bigger fish will come in and poach our head coach who is responsible for a lot of the positive changes that are starting to show...

It is imperative that levy supports poch in terms of transfers. As @Trix has stated - if poch can be assured that he can fulfil his ambitions here at spurs, he will stay. If we start to promise things, and don't back them up, maybe the bigger projects will look a little tastier.

Sorry if slightly off topic, but players moving on is not our largest concern at the moment, IMO.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Agree

Quite simply, we are building the best stadium in the UK to go with the best training facilities in the UK. The players drive past the enormous hole gradually enveloping WHL on way to games. It's tangible and not far away time wise. Most players would want to be a part of that.

The large array of kebab houses dwarfs the enormous hole as the players drive to WHL

 

[dontcallme]

I hope so, but I think that's a little naive. There are more clubs than ever capable of affording top tier players. If a player wants CL football and his head is turned then we'll have no choice but to sell, team spirit and desire are a massive part of Poch's sides after all.

This is a theory fans put forward a lot but in reality it simply hasn't happened to us.

In recent years we have only lost 4 players who had their heads turned. Carrick and Berbatovwent to Man Utd when they were a regular title winning team and the biggest in the country and Real Madrid took Modric and Bale who would have left regardless of whether we were in the CL.

Vertonghen chose us over Arsenal because we supposedly offered him a CB position rather than Arsene's plan to play him in midfield. If CL was such a dominating factor he wouldn't have joined us.

There is not one signle case of us losing a player in recent years citing CL as the reason yet fans bizarrely still think we'll have a massive clearout if we don't get it.

Once one of our players plays at level that makes a truly top side want him he will leave, that will be true whether we get 4th or not.

 

[dontcallme]

I think you over estimate the modern day footballer, after all, they don't have the affinity with the club like we do. Do you honestly think that a new stadium would be a factor to a player who wants CL football, and as a result, to double his wages?

If we offer a player more money than a team in the CL they will likely join us. Arsenal lost several players to Man City when they weren't in the CL but offered more money.

CL is part of an attractive package but is almost never a sole reason for a player signing for a new club.

 

[tototoner]

Current odds to finish top 4

Arsenal 1/20
Man City 1/20
Tottenham 1/2
Leicester 5/6
Man Utd 11/8
Liverpool 11/8
Crystal Palace 10/1
Chelsea 10/1

 

[TottenhamLegend]

Current odds to finish top 4

Arsenal 1/20
Man City 1/20
Tottenham 1/2
Leicester 5/6
Man Utd 11/8
Liverpool 11/8
Crystal Palace 10/1
Chelsea 10/1

Bookies are absolutely cleaning up there. 6 teams near enough even money to finish in 4 places, two of which are 1/20.

The maths doesn't quite add up there!

 

[tototoner]

Bookies are absolutely cleaning up there. 6 teams near enough even money to finish in 4 places, two of which are 1/20.

The maths doesn't quite add up there!

They know stupidly bias Liverpool and Man Utd fans will bet on their club no matter what.

 

[Saoirse]

Bookies are absolutely cleaning up there. 6 teams near enough even money to finish in 4 places, two of which are 1/20.

The maths doesn't quite add up there!

That actually isn't outrageous. If you convert those odds to implied probabilities the sum is a shade over 414%, when if they were going for accuracy rather than profit you'd expect it to be 400% (A 100% probability that some team finishes in each of the top four places). It might be closer to 420% or 425% when you factor in anyone they've got at longer odds but that's not massive as an effective margin when you consider the betting is on any one of four places.

With four places they're very roughly saying 2 will be City and Arsenal and it's then any two from the next four at very roughly evens each with Spurs and Leicester slightly favoured - which is entirely logical since evens is still only a 50% chance.

 

[spurs mental]

Is anyone else absolutely shitting it at the thought of it going down to the wire in the last few games between us, City and Woolwich? I know its months away still but I have huge belief in this team and really think we can win this thing,

I don't think I could bare the intensity and trauma of it all.

 

[whitesocks]

£11m to win it in prize money alone. Add tv and matchday and you're getting up to £20m. No where near cl but not to be sniffed at and far more than the two domestic cups put together.

It also gives you a cl place.

AVB bless his socks, absolutely prioritised europa and got to the QF - I think it not unreasonable to say that would be our average position in the competition if we had persisted with his madness over the years. Which now the europa is cross-subsidised by the CL, a QF place brings in about £8-9m. For 12 games. £700k a game.

We got £89m prize money for last season in the league = £2.3m a game - over X4 what the europa brings in per game. So the europa is a heavily subsidised competition that even then could not pay for a quarter of our squad if it were the main earner per game. It is a charity case. And yet I like the europa as long as we use it sensibly.

As for the extra CL place, I've not read anywhere that the team would get a full share of the TV rights.
In years past, we would have had to share the evening with ManU and Chelsea. 80% of neutrals will watch utd - that is the way it is. The only ones watching our games would be spurs fans - certainly in the group stage and I can't see BT wanting to pay up big time for that if they didn't have to.

 

[Lilbaz]

AVB bless his socks, absolutely prioritised europa and got to the QF - I think it not unreasonable to say that would be our average position in the competition if we had persisted with his madness over the years. Which now the europa is cross-subsidised by the CL, a QF place brings in about £8-9m. For 12 games. £700k a game.

We got £89m prize money for last season in the league = £2.3m a game - over X4 what the europa brings in per game. So the europa is a heavily subsidised competition that even then could not pay for a quarter of our squad if it were the main earner per game. It is a charity case. And yet I like the europa as long as we use it sensibly.

As for the extra CL place, I've not read anywhere that the team would get a full share of the TV rights.
In years past, we would have had to share the evening with ManU and Chelsea. 80% of neutrals will watch utd - that is the way it is. The only ones watching our games would be spurs fans - certainly in the group stage and I can't see BT wanting to pay up big time for that if they didn't have to.

So is winning the cl easier?

I want to win trophies. That's what it's all about.

 

[jezz]

AVB bless his socks, absolutely prioritised europa and got to the QF - I think it not unreasonable to say that would be our average position in the competition if we had persisted with his madness over the years. Which now the europa is cross-subsidised by the CL, a QF place brings in about £8-9m. For 12 games. £700k a game.

We got £89m prize money for last season in the league = £2.3m a game - over X4 what the europa brings in per game. So the europa is a heavily subsidised competition that even then could not pay for a quarter of our squad if it were the main earner per game. It is a charity case. And yet I like the europa as long as we use it sensibly.

As for the extra CL place, I've not read anywhere that the team would get a full share of the TV rights.
In years past, we would have had to share the evening with ManU and Chelsea. 80% of neutrals will watch utd - that is the way it is. The only ones watching our games would be spurs fans - certainly in the group stage and I can't see BT wanting to pay up big time for that if they didn't have to.

A 25 man squad needs more than one game a week.
The Cups including the Europa give the squad playing time and a chance to earn playing time in the league.
It's not all money

 

[allpaths]

Is anyone else absolutely shitting it at the thought of it going down to the wire in the last few games between us, City and Woolwich? I know its months away still but I have huge belief in this team and really think we can win this thing,

I don't think I could bare the intensity and trauma of it all.

im really looking forward, we have nothing to lose and we should just enjoy the ride, and take it a game at a time.i really hope we jump all over everton really show city and arsenal here we are and we are not afraid.what a time to be spurs!

 

[scat1620]

Is anyone else absolutely shitting it at the thought of it going down to the wire in the last few games between us, City and Woolwich? I know its months away still but I have huge belief in this team and really think we can win this thing,

I don't think I could bare the intensity and trauma of it all.

If you're talking about the nerves involved with us being in a title challenge, then my honest opinion is I wouldn't worry yourself about it. [Should I be posting in the Unpopular Opinion Amnesty? Fuck it.] I think that realistically we now have a shot at 3rd or 4th (but I wouldn't be surprised with 5th or 6th either), and if you'd offered me that at the start of the season I would've taken it.

To Dare Is To Do and all that, but years of Spurs-conditioning since I became a supporter in the miserable mid-90s have trained me to think it highly improbable that there won't be something that throws a massive spanner in our works if we begin to look like we have a sniff of the big prize.

 

[allpaths]

If you're talking about the nerves involved with us being in a title challenge, then my honest opinion is I wouldn't worry yourself about it. [Should I be posting in the Unpopular Opinion Amnesty? Fuck it.] I think that realistically we now have a shot at 3rd or 4th (but I wouldn't be surprised with 5th or 6th either), and if you'd offered me that at the start of the season I would've taken it.

To Dare Is To Do and all that, but years of Spurs-conditioning since I became a supporter in the miserable mid-90s have trained me to think it highly improbable that there won't be something that throws a massive spanner in our works if we begin to look like we have a sniff of the big prize.

i understand were you're coming from, but you just have to watch liverpool and united and realize they are both total shit, and no matter who or how much they buy in January will make them good enough. Watford and Palace are strong sides, but don't have the depth and the gap is beginning to grow. Top 4 is extremely likely.

I honestly believe we can afford to let ourselves believe we have a strong chance. To me Arsenal are favourites, ozil gives them that extra quality in tight games, were he can create endless goal scoring possibilities and unless Eriksen picks in up, we don't have a player like that in our side. Man City are flaky as hell as aguero and kompany are always injured, there defense is absolute dross without Kompany, Toure looks like he doesnt want to put in the leg work and silva hasn't been his brilliant self yet. De Bruyne is quality but still I don't think he can reach the dominate creative output that silva and ozil can. We can catch city, it's all about what arsenal do.

There is no shame in believing, just as long as we don't expect to be champions, let's take it one game at a time and just fucking enjoy ourselves.