Tottenham Hotspur Vs Manchester United: Match Thread

[Legend10]

Gomes
Woody
Modric
JJ

IMHO opinion these 4 are all vital players for us and we can't really epect to beat the likes of UTD without all 4 of them, it's too much of an ask.

Walk ins to our team when fit I believe are:

Gomes
King
Woody
BAE
Lenny
Wilson
JJ
Defoe

That's 8 players who are vitally important to us, against weaker opposition we can maybe get away with misiing 3 or 4 of them but against the big boys we can be short of no more than 1 and possibly 2 of these. 4 being half of our core strength was just far too many to overcome.

 

[bubble07]

I'm sure like most before the game we were thinking that playing 2 upfront with Keane on the left just wouldn't work. I think for once redknapp didn't have the balls to drop robbie. There was no way he was ever going to be even half as effective as Modric both in term of link up play, supporting the 2 central midfielders, his defensive work and ball retention. Against shit clubs we could cope but not against one of the best teams in the world and the champions of England.

I hope this game showed redknapp that this should never happen again. Another huge worry is the fact then when Crouch plays we play the ball too direct - Why? Playing the ball direct should be an option but not the only option. I knpw our first goal came from that but its not hw we should play. We are playing straight into Vidic and Ferdinands hands by playing this way. With Crouch we lack any invention and movement that keane or even Pav partnering Defoe would have

I hate to say it but someone who we sent out on loan would hav done a much better job on the left then robbie. I still think Keano and Degoe is our best partnership and if its not working then Crouch is an excellent plan B. The game against Birmingham proved that 100%

 

[bubble07]

Gomes
Woody
Modric
JJ

IMHO opinion these 4 are all vital players for us and we can't really epect to beat the likes of UTD without all 4 of them, it's too much of an ask.

Walk ins to our team when fit I believe are:

Gomes
King
Woody
BAE
Lenny
Wilson
JJ
Defoe

That's 8 players who are vitally important to us, against weaker opposition we can maybe get away with misiing 3 or 4 of them but against the big boys we can be short of no more than 1 and possibly 2 of these. 4 being half of our core strength was just far too many to overcome.

Not Modric?

 

[Legend10]

Not Modric?

Oops, definitely Modric, he's our best player!

Put him on the top list but missed him on the second. We can't miss too many of this group of players especially when playing a virtually full strength Utd.

 

[bubble07]

Oops, definitely Modric, he's our best player!

Put him on the top list but missed him on the second. We can't miss too many of this group of players especially when playing a virtually full strength Utd.

I pretty much agree. The only positions not 100% guaranteed is who to start out of Hutton and Corluka although I would pick Corluka and who to partner defoe

 

[bubble07]

Thought that huddlestone and keane were pathetic today (wilson not far behind them, can't pass to save his life).
Palacios is so overated by the majority of spurs fans and pundits.
Chelsea will beat us easily next wek unless Harry sorts it out. FACT.

Welcome to Spurs Community.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

who? Prince Boateng?

:up:

It's okay, I don't expect anyone else to agree for at least a season or two. It's not fair given how little any of the fans will have seen of him.

 

[ziggy]

Didn't watch MOTD, what did the pundits think of Wilson's tackle ?
Also did they say anything about the Utd players getting him booked ?

 

[chrissivad]

:up:

It's okay, I don't expect anyone else to agree for at least a season or two. It's not fair given how little any of the fans will have seen of him.

dunno if i agree with him being the best, but i wished he was given a better chance with us. Was glad to see him score as well. Think he will be a good player :up:

 

[Mullers]

We should have just loaned Boateng and kept O'hara we don't have many options in central midfield.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Thought that huddlestone and keane were pathetic today (wilson not far behind them, can't pass to save his life).
Palacios is so overated by the majority of spurs fans and pundits.
Chelsea will beat us easily next wek unless Harry sorts it out. FACT.[/quote]

By dropping Palacios, Huddlestone & Keane?

 

[Bingy]

The actions of the Manure players, in the booking issue, would, with any other team, be harshly dealt with? I seem to remember hearing some 'numpty', from the EPL, telling all and sundry that YELLOW and even RED cards would be brandished in such circumstances....I was under the impression that the FA/Prem were making it a priority to punish the guilty etc...but, as most things in English football...it is a joke....and just about sums up :violin:why the big money is attracted to the English game....More Corruption...more profit? I do not consider that the inadequecies of the Referee, yesterday, had much bearing on the result....NO we were able to throw away the game by ourselves (lol). One loss will not end our season....however poor refereeing and Football officialdom certainly will.....but what's new Mes braves? lol. Still, all is not lost....and Harry knows what he is up against...on and off the field. Chelski should be made pay....IF the Ref agrees (or is that SAF....?) COYS!:shake:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Man U were better yesterday and are a much better team. The ref contributed to our loss with his clear bias in the first half and awarding them everything but us nothing, not to mention being fooled by Berbatovs blatant dive (I retract every comment I ever made about wanting Berbatov back, the old Berbatov was a class act, all I saw yesterday was a filthy cheating moaning tosser), but the ref is not to blame.

Here are bigger reasons to blame for our defeat:

Our wall, despite Cudicini's rantings, refusing to align properly on Giggs free kick.

Playing Keane, an out of form STRIKER, on the left wing where he is worse than useless (not his fault, not his role, should have been Kranjcar).

The lack of Modric (or Kranjcar/ Giovani/ someone who can create space from the left) because, in Modric's absense, Huddlestone had far less space to do anything and as a result was poor throughout, and Lennon, who was being triple marked whenever the ball was near him, had far less ammunition than usual because one of his two main providers (Corluka being the other) was just not in the game, while Defoe all of a sudden also see's far less of the ball.

The substitution of Hutton for Corluka. As soon as that happened I knew. Hutton is a guaranteed goal conceded every time he plays.

Next week, in an equally difficult game, I expect to see Keane out, for Kranjcar (who I thought did well), Huddlestone out, for Jenas (pains me to say this but he played very well), and Cudicini out for Gomes (Carlo fills me with dread). I will probably get little, or none, of this, but I hope I get it all.

 

[rebrab]

^ what he said!

 

[Paxtonite]

Man U were better yesterday and are a much better team. The ref contributed to our loss with his clear bias in the first half and awarding them everything but us nothing, not to mention being fooled by Berbatovs blatant dive (I retract every comment I ever made about wanting Berbatov back, the old Berbatov was a class act, all I saw yesterday was a filthy cheating moaning tosser), but the ref is not to blame.

Here are bigger reasons to blame for our defeat:

Our wall, despite Cudicini's rantings, refusing to align properly on Giggs free kick.

Playing Keane, an out of form STRIKER, on the left wing where he is worse than useless (not his fault, not his role, should have been Kranjcar).

The lack of Modric (or Kranjcar/ Giovani/ someone who can create space from the left) because, in Modric's absense, Huddlestone had far less space to do anything and as a result was poor throughout, and Lennon, who was being triple marked whenever the ball was near him, had far less ammunition than usual because one of his two main providers (Corluka being the other) was just not in the game, while Defoe all of a sudden also see's far less of the ball.

The substitution of Hutton for Corluka. As soon as that happened I knew. Hutton is a guaranteed goal conceded every time he plays.

Next week, in an equally difficult game, I expect to see Keane out, for Kranjcar (who I thought did well), Huddlestone out, for Jenas (pains me to say this but he played very well), and Cudicini out for Gomes (Carlo fills me with dread). I will probably get little, or none, of this, but I hope I get it all.

Add to that Pav for Crouch. The guy is not a spurs player. We resort to just hoofing the ball up to him and whilst he may influence a game against the likes of Birmingham, he is no match for a Vidic or Ferdinand. For God's sake the guy can't even break into the national team at a time when there is a dearth of English striking talent available and instead a guy who can't even get into the Villa 1st team is preferred.

I don't know whether Crouch is Redknapp's love child or not, but he is NOT a spurs type player and at best is just an average forward. Nothing played up to him yesterday stuck.

As for "arry's" tactics? He got them well wrong. Keane on the left does not work and how the fuck the guy is captain and hence undroppable baffles me to the detriment of the team. At one point Keane Defoe and Crouch were all within touching distance of each other in the opposing D.

We had no width and whilst the whole team did play poorly, wouldn't you rather have matched up Lennon against O'Shea rather than Evra?? What on earth do GDS and Pav need to do to get a game?

Really annoyed (as you may have gathered) after yesterday, cos we just did not turn up. Well just for the 15 minutes maybe?

:bang:

 

[west indie]

there was no energy or movement and after scholes red card we were at walking pace.. one thing it highlighted to me was how HUGE an influence modric is to the way play and create

 

[southlondonyiddo]

there was no energy or movement and after scholes red card we were at walking pace.. one thing it highlighted to me was how HUGE an influence modric is to the way play and create

This season Modric has become an even better player for us and has adjusted to the prem

He is clearly a World class footballer and will have a massive impact on our performance and league position

How many other World class footballers other than King (when 80+% fit) do we have and look what a difference he makes to us!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Two things:

Much as I love him, it is far fetched to call Modric a world class footballer just yet. Iniesta is a world class footballer, when Modric dominates games like he does then he can be spoken of in the same bracket as they are similar types of player. What Modric is, is a very good footballer, possibly our best, and someone who excites and improves out attack imeasurably.

We have lost 1 game, and won 4. It might have been at home, it might have been to a team we're desperate to beat and compete with, but ultimately, it was to the team currently second best in Europe and best in England, a team who's strikeforce cost 60m, centre back pairing cost 40m and had 60m worth of talent on the bench in just Carrick, Nani and Anderson. If you'd offered me this start a month ago I'd have grabbed it gleefully (though in the prediciton thread I predicted 14 points from the first 6, now it can only be 12, 13 or 15). If I'd been asked which game I'd have accepted losing, it would have been this one. Why? Because this is the team who are the furthest away from us in every single aspect of their club, every single aspect of their team (other than Ferdinand who hasn't a patch on King) and who have dominated for a long time. No shame in losing yesterday, our performance was poor but not a collapse and not without effort, and we are actually level on points with them anyway.

Besides, we're going to win next week!

 

[Bobishism]

Modric is world class. That's all to be said about that.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I love him and I wish I could agree with that but I think he can do more than he is, possibly from the centre though he's obviously excelled out wide so far, and more often than not he's not what I remember at the end of a game.

He's a flair player, skillfull, creative, able to dribble and pass, and for me a player of that type needs to produce genuine moments of brilliance more often than he does to be called world class. The men who were on the pitch at half time, one of whom is far more relevant in this comparison as he was also a showmen, they were world class.