Tottenham Takeover Talk

[Yantino]

Nobody is saying Liverpool or Arsenal need a sugar daddy to win. It would patently be nonsense, given that Liverpool have won the title and the Champions League in recent years. Nether are operating on a different financial level to us. We've just been badly mismanaged for four years and seem to have developed an inferiority complex.

But ENIC are never going to invest in the squad the same way that the aforementioned 'pool and goons have. It's just not the way ENIC operate and people are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

Liverpool would sign that additional top class centre back because it's what the manager asked for. We won't.

 

[LondonOllie]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I don’t want any investment from Sheikh Jassim of Qatar.

Amnesty: A Qatari bid for Manchester United carries problematic implications

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[tubbygold]

I’m sure I’m in the minority but I don’t want any investment from Sheikh Jassim of Qatar.

Amnesty: A Qatari bid for Manchester United carries problematic implications

Amnesty International believes Manchester United fans should be concerned about Qatari interest in acquiring their club.

www.planetsport.com

I personally would rather support a team in League 2 than contribute to sports washing.

 

[mil1lion]

We've only come close in the current regime but always fallen short. That doesn't prove we can succeed this way. It proves that without change we will always fall short. Maybe Ange wins a trophy but we won't constantly win titles unless we invest more in the squad.

We ultimately came up short under Poch because we didn't invest in the squad. Yes we had a great team but were left short. You need a lot more depth to compete on all fronts. This is the story in every window where we leave ourselves short. Even now the signings are much better but will ENIC sign another 6+ players of that level? Or will they see us doing well and save spending?

We need more investment. Where it comes from is another matter. Not keen on these Middle East owners personally. I still think a USA based investor would make sense with the NFL and various events at our stadium.

 

[spursfan77]

3 trophies since I started following us in 1987. Not sure that’s doing it the right way.

Levy lucking out on Ange doesn’t make me forget the past, I’ve a longer memory than that. I’d rather get some owners in willing to invest their own money and push us on when required. Levy and ENIC have consistently shown they aren’t willing to do this.

 

[n5yiddo]

I'm confused. I've been so frustrated by delusional Daniel that I'd have gladly seen investment from anyone to see the back of him. What I've always asked for is a positive manager, who plays attacking football, takes responsibility for his own mistakes, encourages our players to express themselves, brings on the youth. I've wanted Daniel to stick to his strengths, and bring in footballing people to run the football side. And that's exactly what he seems to have done. We've got a better scouting network and identifying better young players and bought them in. It really does look like Daniel has implemented amazing changes this time, and providing they are for the long time, I'm taking the 'delusional' away. Really excited and surprised by what has happened.

 

[Dillspur]

I'd rather stick with Levy and ENIC than sell out to a oil state

 

[The Scarecrow]

3 trophies since I started following us in 1987. Not sure that’s doing it the right way.

Levy lucking out on Ange doesn’t make me forget the past, I’ve a longer memory than that.

Ok, so who have won the majority of those trophies?

Man Utd, who lucked out big time on Fergie.
Arsenal, who lucked out on Wenger.
Chelsea, who won the lottery.
Man City, who won an even bigger prize in the lottery.
Liverpool, the biggest club in England pre Fergie. They also lucked out on Klopp.

I think most people would agree that out of these five clubs, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool have achieved their success the right way, Chelsea and Man City have not. And to achieve that success in modern football, you need luck. Not just with the manager, but also with signings, cup draws, injuries and refereeing decisions going your way.

Either way, the majority of football fans in England support other clubs than those five. And the vast majority of those fans have won fewer trophies than us, and have no hope of even playing in the Champions League. Judging by your post, all those clubs are doing it the wrong way.

 

[danielneeds]

But ENIC are never going to invest in the squad the same way that the aforementioned 'pool and goons have. It's just not the way ENIC operate and people are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

Liverpool would sign that additional top class centre back because it's what the manager asked for. We won't.

Aside from when they received the crazy fee from Barca for Coutinho and used it to buy Alisson and VVD, their spending hasn't been wildly different from ours. They spent a fair bit last summer, but they know they can cash in on Salah next summer for a huge fee from the Saudis.

 

[spursfan77]

Ok, so who have won the majority of those trophies?

Man Utd, who lucked out big time on Fergie.
Arsenal, who lucked out on Wenger.
Chelsea, who won the lottery.
Man City, who won an even bigger prize in the lottery.
Liverpool, the biggest club in England pre Fergie. They also lucked out on Klopp.

I think most people would agree that out of these five clubs, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool have achieved their success the right way, Chelsea and Man City have not. And to achieve that success in modern football, you need luck. Not just with the manager, but also with signings, cup draws, injuries and refereeing decisions going your way.

Either way, the majority of football fans in England support other clubs than those five. And the vast majority of those fans have won fewer trophies than us, and have no hope of even playing in the Champions League. Judging by your post, all those clubs are doing it the wrong way.

Are we not allowed to win the lottery or luck out then?

If there is a chance we can then we should go for it. Most other clubs would jump at the chance of fortune or a bit of luck. We arent special.

 

[danielneeds]

Ok, so who have won the majority of those trophies?

Man Utd, who lucked out big time on Fergie.
Arsenal, who lucked out on Wenger.
Chelsea, who won the lottery.
Man City, who won an even bigger prize in the lottery.
Liverpool, the biggest club in England pre Fergie. They also lucked out on Klopp.

I think most people would agree that out of these five clubs, Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool have achieved their success the right way, Chelsea and Man City have not. And to achieve that success in modern football, you need luck. Not just with the manager, but also with signings, cup draws, injuries and refereeing decisions going your way.

Either way, the majority of football fans in England support other clubs than those five. And the vast majority of those fans have won fewer trophies than us, and have no hope of even playing in the Champions League. Judging by your post, all those clubs are doing it the wrong way.

I would argue against the phrase "luck out". Selecting a fantastic manager and then backing them is not pure luck. For instance, Fergie was very close to joining here under Scholar, but there's no guarantee he would have been backed and not fired after some bad results.

 

[Yantino]

Aside from when they received the crazy fee from Barca for Coutinho and used it to buy Alisson and VVD, their spending hasn't been wildly different from ours. They spent a fair bit last summer, but they know they can cash in on Salah next summer for a huge fee from the Saudis.

Not disagreeing with you in terms of numbers. I'm talking more about intent. We sign players because we have to. 'Pool sign players just because they want to win.

I don't see anything in our transfer strategy (yet) that says to me otherwise. Hopefully it does change and we start to sign quality to improve the whole squad but it's not the case at the moment.

 

[McFlash]

I can't believe I'm actually going to say this but whatever happens, I've now found myself swinging towards keeping Levy in place no matter what happens.
He's got his faults, and plenty of them but he tries to do what's best for the club.
I still don't want him anywhere near to the team and selecting targets but as for keeping us as a well run footie club, he's done pretty well.

Looking at the likes of PSG, Chelsea and even Man U is making me realise that we shouldn't be too hasty at leaping into the field with the apparent greener grass.

Sheez, I now feel dirty but also somewhat cleansed!

 

[Ghost Hardware]

 

[carmeldevil]

Thank fuck.

 

[Saoirse]

But ENIC are never going to invest in the squad the same way that the aforementioned 'pool and goons have. It's just not the way ENIC operate and people are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

Liverpool would sign that additional top class centre back because it's what the manager asked for. We won't.

If you speak to Liverpool fans, they actually are very against their ownership and don't think they've invested much at all. And they haven't -rather, they sold their star player, and reinvested the funds well. Which seems pretty similar to where we're at....

 

[newbie]

A minority share, surely to make it worse.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Are we not allowed to win the lottery or luck out then?

If there is a chance we can then we should go for it. Most other clubs would jump at the chance of fortune or a bit of luck. We arent special.

I personally don't want to win the lottery, no. As for luck, you're the one who brought that up. Judging by your post, it doesn't count when you're lucky.

I would argue against the phrase "luck out". Selecting a fantastic manager and then backing them is not pure luck. For instance, Fergie was very close to joining here under Scholar, but there's no guarantee he would have been backed and not fired after some bad results.

It's not pure luck, but it's also not as easy as 'selecting a fantastic manager and then backing them'. Fergie and Wenger weren't household names when they came to England. Klopp was, but not close to the same extent as he is now. I'd also argue that some of the biggest names out there would struggle at most clubs because it's not just about being a good manager, it's about being the right manager.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

But ENIC are never going to invest in the squad the same way that the aforementioned 'pool and goons have. It's just not the way ENIC operate and people are deluding themselves if they think otherwise.

Liverpool would sign that additional top class centre back because it's what the manager asked for. We won't.

ENIC have the ability to invest in the same way as FSG. We have a very similar financial model. It's just that covid and stadium costs curtailed things (Liverpool sold Coutinho and reinvested well while we were building a stadium). If we're knocking on the door of major trophies in the next few seasons I wouldn't be surprised if we really start strengthening in key areas of the team.

Our squad has been such a mess in recent seasons it's been a case of trying to move players out and get to a point where we can just build on a quality first 13/14 players. I feel like we're getting close to that place now with players like Winks and Sanchez being sold, and others coming to the end of their contracts soon.

Once the squad is in a settled place, if we continue to commit the same £100m-£150m each window, we have during the last few, then naturally, with good coaching and a bit of luck we should be able compete at a high level.

 

[piedpiper]

Amazing thinking going on.... a few short months ago many wanted a take over ...even from Qatar....suddenly we joint top of the log after 8 games and so many are turning their noses up.... damn we are a fickle bunch.

Anyway... regardless I'd welcome owners with deep pockets who will allow us to compete for the best players. It's a romantic notion that we will compete with money clubs like United, City, Chelsea, Newcastle, Arsenal to a degree for the best talent with only our stadium revenue and Enic.