Tottenham to confirm Micky van de Ven and Alejo Veliz as Tanguy Ndombele and Djed Spence put on transfer list

[mawspurs]

Tottenham are closing in on two more summer signings, with defender Micky van de Ven and forward Alejo Veliz both due for medicals today.

Their arrivals will leave Postecoglou with a squad of more than 35 senior players, but Spurs hope to accelerate outgoings this week. Hugo Lloris, Tanguy Ndombele, Joe Rodon and Djed Spence, who were all left out of the squad to face Shakhtar, are on the transfer list, while Davinson Sanchez and Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg are among those who could leave for the right price.

Source: Evening Standard

 

[Snuzzy]

Seems crazy to me to be axing a HG player in Spence without being given any kind of real chance, and when we are very precarious in the HG department.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

On the Spence issue you have to put your trust in the coaches that see him in training, looks like they consider him not up to the grade.

 

[Trix]

Seems crazy to me to be axing a HG player in Spence without being given any kind of real chance, and when we are very precarious in the HG department.

Training day in day out for months is a chance. If you don't show you deserve a chance in training you certainly don't deserve a chance to prove it during first team matches.

You might only get to judge a player during the 90 minutes on a Saturday but that's not the same for the club and the coaches.

 

[Japhet]

The best thing to come out of this would be a marker to Levy to NOT buy players the manager doesn't want. Spence has obviously failed to impress.

 

[mawspurs]

There were rumours of attitude issues, i'm sure i read it somewhere.

 

[McGoose]

Seems crazy to me to be axing a HG player in Spence without being given any kind of real chance, and when we are very precarious in the HG department.

If Ange and his coaches don't think he is good enough, then he isn't good enough. HG or not.

 

[Locotoro]

I think we'd be better to put him on loan in a place where he will shine and earn us back the money we paid for him.

Edit: Spence not Ndombele

 

[gloryspur]

Gutted it's not happened for Spence I'm sure there is a player there particularly after his stint at Forest hence why we shelled the money.

I also read about his attitude like Ndombele that's something money can't buy.

Another one seemingly on the scrapheap then hell we've got a catalogue of those over the years. Usually find they end up at another Prem side inevitability scoring or assisting against us then the usual they never gave me a chance line follows.

Remembering Rondon's howler against Liverpool just summed up his career there after it's s brutal world in the Prem although strangely Dier hangs on.

 

[Snuzzy]

Training day in day out for months is a chance. If you don't show you deserve a chance in training you certainly don't deserve a chance to prove it during first team matches.

You might only get to judge a player during the 90 minutes on a Saturday but that's not the same for the club and the coaches.

I'm well aware of this view and don't completely disagree with it, but I think it's overstated. Particularly when it comes to purchased players (rather than internal academy products).

 

[Jamturk]

You'd think there would be a place back at Forest for Spence.

 

[Push & Run]

OK BUT if you pay due diligence by analysing data, monitoring game time and talking to player and family over a period of time, then it is less likely the target will disappoint. IF we have just found out a suspect attitude then we have not paid due diligence and this worrys me about all those youngsters we are looking at now. The question how do we assess our potential buys.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

OK BUT if you pay due diligence by analysing data, monitoring game time and talking to player and family over a period of time, then it is less likely the target will disappoint. IF we have just found out a suspect attitude then we have not paid due diligence and this worries me about all those youngsters we are looking at now. The question how do we assess our potential buys.

It isn't just the player and his family our recruitment people should be talking to. Our people need to talk to the people who work with the player, his past coaches and so on. We need to get as complete a picture as possible before buying the player. When a club is possibly going to spend tens of millions on a player, it would be reckless not to get all the info they possibly can.

 

[Cinemattis]

One of the truest things Poch said while he was here was that players don’t get paid to play - they get paid to train. If you don’t do your job right and show every day that you want to succeed, your employer doesn’t want to keep you on the payroll.

 

[Push & Run]

It isn't just the player and his family our recruitment people should be talking to. Our people need to talk to the people who work with the player, his past coaches and so on. We need to get as complete a picture as possible before buying the player. When a club is possibly going to spend tens of millions on a player, it would be reckless not to get all the info they possibly can.

Agree, but that begs the question why have we bought at least 2 players with suspect temperament. I would love to know how we went about signing Ndem and Spence and how we are now assessing potential targets. Maybe someone with ITK can tell me.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

Agree, but that begs the question why have we bought at least 2 players with suspect temperament. I would love to know how we went about signing Ndom and Spence and how we are now assessing potential targets. Maybe someone with ITK can tell me.

The recruitment people didn't do the due diligence. It's as simple as that, as far as I can tell.

 

[Push & Run]

The recruitment people didn't do the due diligence. It's as simple as that, as far as I can tell.

It would appear so, but what is happening now. I understood that AP was touted because of his strong use of data but how is our process of recruitment different to the past. Have we learnt from past mistakes, who is responsible for what, or are any of the new talent going to prove very poorly suited professionally. I fully support investing in youth is always risky, but how are we lessening that risk because if we don't we are just throwing good money after bad. Still we are a very professionally run club, what can go wrong!