Tottenham weighing up whether to challenge Son Heung-min's red card

[mawspurs]

Tottenham are considering appealing Son Heung-min's red card against Bournemouth. The official saw Son's reaction which sent Lerma tumbling to the ground after the Colombian was pushed in the arm. But Pawson appeared to miss Lerma striking Son on the back and then treading on his foot before the Spurs star's out of character response.

Source: Daily Mail

 

[cider spurs]

Got to appeal. I reckon any chance of reduction following reflection must be pursued.

 

[spud]

I'm curious about whether any retrospective action can be taken against Lerma. Not only for the Son incident, when he stamped and also hit Son in the back, but also for doing the same stamp when Alli bent down to pick up the ball and for putting his head into Alli's face.

I realise that shithousery is (unfortunately) part of the game, but there were at least three occasions when he could - and perhaps should - have received a yellow card.

 

[slartibartfast]

Plus what was the red actually for?
Unsporting behaviour?
Wasnt the face.
Wasnt a punch.
Wasnt an elbow.
Wasnt dangerous play.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

The current laws state a red card offence is:

• Serious foul play
• Violent conduct
• Denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (handball)
• Denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity (foul)
• Spitting or biting
• Using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures
• Receiving a second caution in the same match

Think it's a no brainer he had to go.
You'd all he spitting bloody murder if we were playing Lolerpool or Chelsea and one of their players wasnt sent off for that.

Also consider our other fouls that should have seen Dier sent off and the fact Foyth got sent off as well. We can't plead innocence, our discipline was unacceptable.

 

[slartibartfast]

I wouldnt call that SERIOUS FOUL PLAY or VIOLENT CONDUCT.
Id call that handbags at dawn.
Christ if we see red cards everytime someone is shoved we'll never finish with 22 players.
And what Dier and Foyth did has absolutely fuck all to do with it.

 

[Japhet]

The FA will always back the Ref's decision unless it's absolutely 110% obviously wrong. Waste of time challenging it IMO even though Lerma is a total hand pump.

 

[Dinghy]

How long do we have to lodge an appeal?

How quickly can they hear the appeal after it is lodged?

Could we challenge the red card so that Son can play Sunday and then accept the extension at the start of next season for a frivolous appeal?

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

It's not getting overturned because we're not appealing it.

Daily Fail says so, so it's likely made up. You can end up with an extended ban for frivolous appeals, so it's just not worth it.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

What happened to Bale for this, did Real appeal it?
https://images.app.goo.gl/Go4UqUV3UpCvhCMG8

 

[punky]

How often are people sent off for a shove? It seems to happen most matches and right under the refs noses. They are very inconsistent in the way they enforce it.

 

[JC-Rule]

Well we've all but made the top 4 now.

Let's just leave it and learn our lesson.

Wasnt it a touch of I'll discipline that cost us the title challenge a few years back?

 

[ginola007]

Well we've all but made the top 4 now.

Let's just leave it and learn our lesson.

Disagree. Three match ban means Sonny will miss the first two games of next season. If the appeal goes our way, he will perhaps miss only the Everton game.

 

[eViL]

They are very inconsistent

BINGO!

 

[Dillspur]

The reaction of lerma is what got him sent off, down like a ton of bricks holding his face and rolling around, it's embarrassing.

 

[spud]

......Also consider our other fouls that should have seen Dier sent off and the fact Foyth got sent off as well. We can't plead innocence, our discipline was unacceptable.

Much was made of the fact that Dier didn't touch the ball in the challenge that 'should' have seen him get a second yellow card. Nobody seemed to notice that he didn't touch his opponent either. He made a sliding challenge that didn't connect with anything. So instead of receiving a second yellow card, the Bournemouth player who collapsed should have received a yellow for simulation.

I'll say when our players are at fault, and Foyth's challenge was stupid and deserved a red. But let's not assume that just because a TV pundit (or several) says something that it's correct.

 

[rupsmith]

The reaction of lerma is what got him sent off, down like a ton of bricks holding his face and rolling around, it's embarrassing.

Exactly - that’s what led the ref to believe that he had been struck in the face which would constitute violent conduct.

 

[shelfmonkey]

Shoving an oppo player is not a straight red card offence! We should appeal and it should be rescinded!

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Much was made of the fact that Dier didn't touch the ball in the challenge that 'should' have seen him get a second yellow card. Nobody seemed to notice that he didn't touch his opponent either. He made a sliding challenge that didn't connect with anything. So instead of receiving a second yellow card, the Bournemouth player who collapsed should have received a yellow for simulation.

I'll say when our players are at fault, and Foyth's challenge was stupid and deserved a red. But let's not assume that just because a TV pundit (or several) says something that it's correct.

He was still lucky the ref wasn't conned, and even knowing he got lucky, he makes another clumsy tackle in the box which definitely was a 2nd yellow and a penalty.

Someone suggested a 3 match ban but it's possibly not going to be 3 games. Not all reds are?

 

[Japhet]

Much was made of the fact that Dier didn't touch the ball in the challenge that 'should' have seen him get a second yellow card. Nobody seemed to notice that he didn't touch his opponent either. He made a sliding challenge that didn't connect with anything. So instead of receiving a second yellow card, the Bournemouth player who collapsed should have received a yellow for simulation.

I'll say when our players are at fault, and Foyth's challenge was stupid and deserved a red. But let's not assume that just because a TV pundit (or several) says something that it's correct.

I'd like to see all instances of simulation get a yelloe card. Sick to death of people saying 'but if didn't go over the Ref wouldn't have given anything'. IMO, if the contact isn't strong enough to have the player over, acting like it was is cheating. Players collapsing in a heap when they get touched on the shoulder is pathetic. it's a contact sport and there's a difference between contact and a foul - you can absolutely have one without the other. It's not basketball.