Transfer Window Wrap Up

[dbspurs]

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/articles/transferwindowwrapup.html

Levy, Comolli and Ramos talk about our new signings and the emergence of Jamie O'Hara.

A good read and some interesting comments regarding our new signings.

 

[yanno]

It directly answers the fourth striker question. Senor Ramos himself sez it will be Lennon, Steed or Taarabt - ie a change of formation with a deeper lying second striker.

And it demonstrates that Juande was fully involved in all our signings, showing that the notorious "Hutton - who?" comment was a translation error - as many of us suspected at the time.

I'm also delighted to see that Ramos thinks we have some genuine quality in the Academy and that he believes in giving homegrown players a chance.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

very good read.. sounds so promising for the future..

 

[sloth]

Great article and although it has to be read through the lense of the club's (understandable) desire to propagandise, it nonetheless reveals more about the variety of ways decisions are made.

I hope people remember this the next time they want to paint a situation in one extreme or another, I also hope that this article is absorbed and people come to understand decision making as a more subtle and colourful process than the simplistic and boring black and white version so often trotted out on these boards.

 

[BoringOldFan]

In August Daniel Levy spent £40m said that we had a squad capable of challenging for the top four. Five months and one new manager later, and he's asked to spend another £20m.

I wonder how he feels about that?

 

[yanno]

In August Daniel Levy spent £40m said that we had a squad capable of challenging for the top four. Five months and one new manager later, and he's asked to spend another £20m.

I wonder how he feels about that?

Given how ambitiious Juande is, I can see him asking to spend another £40-50 million this summer. However, the difference is he'd probably spend it on quality players like Lucho, Garay and Villa - if he can persuade any of them to join us.

However, in fairness, our net spend in January was only just over £10 million because of the money we got for Defoe, and I'm still amazed Chimbo wasn't shipped out for c£7 million.

 

[Marty]

However, in fairness, our net spend in January was only just over £10 million because of the money we got for Defoe, and I'm still amazed Chimbo wasn't shipped out for c£7 million.

Not got. Are getting. Apparently he's technically on loan but a permanent transfer will be completed very soon.

 

[nickspurs]

In August Daniel Levy spent £40m said that we had a squad capable of challenging for the top four. Five months and one new manager later, and he's asked to spend another £20m.

I wonder how he feels about that?

Well, any good manager of an organisation constantly assesses things and makes the decisions on the basis of the current situation. Things change so decisions follow. Form dropped, King's return couldn't be relied upon, confidence was shot to pieces and overall he saw a squad that wasn't delivering.

BOF - would it make you feel better if he said "You know that thing I said in August about 4th? Well that was all wrong. Sorry my bad. I'll be flashing the cash in the window if anyone fancies fleecing me."

He hit the nail on the head when he made that statement after the firing of Jol about relegation being a real risk and he couldn't entertain that so he had to act (or words to that effect). Things changed, he reassessed and he made the huge decision to change manager. In doing so he was always going to support Juande in the window. I suspect Juande would have requested assurances that he could make some changes if he felt it necessary, i.e. I'm saying that manager change and further squad investment was effectively one decision not two.

I'm sure he's gutted that we've had to invest again and replace managers but it's paying off now and I think he's shown the ability to make big decisions.

Not meaning to be confrontational but I feel he's done the right thing overall and it's sometimes too easy to shoot Levy down without really putting yourself in his situation.

 

[recklessyido]

We aint got no money for defoe yet, he's on loan.

Portsmouth have come out and said it, they need the benjani deal to go through

 

[DogsOfWar]

In August Daniel Levy spent £40m said that we had a squad capable of challenging for the top four. Five months and one new manager later, and he's asked to spend another £20m.

I wonder how he feels about that?

Wishing he had got rid of Jol in the summer so that we could have been challenging for the top four.
One look at the team that beat Arsenal over two legs was when the penny should have dropped. Not one new purchase, just last years side playing to their capabilities.

The £20 million might have been cementing fourth position rather than planning for next season.

 

[Teemu]

That's all very well, with hindsight, saying Jol should have gone in the summer, but for god's sake he'd just taken us to 5th two years in a row and we were being talked about as realistic Top 4 contenders. Levy's not a bloody psychic, he didn't know that our form would be so bad early on. And can you imagine the outcry if he'd actually gone and sacked Jol in the summer? Obviously the whole undermining Jol thing was something that the board should not be proud of but overall people are criticising Levy/Commoli without really thinking.

 

[SpurSince57]

Wishing he had got rid of Jol in the summer so that we could have been challenging for the top four.
One look at the team that beat Arsenal over two legs was when the penny should have dropped. Not one new purchase, just last years side playing to their capabilities.

The £20 million might have been cementing fourth position rather than planning for next season.

With new added King, Berbatov and Jenas. Not to mention Lee and Tainio. And Cerny, lest we forget. Yes, the penny's dropped. If we'd had them in the line-up last season the result might have been rather different.

And if we'd spent £40m in the summer on players who would have made an impact this season, rather than in two years' time, perhaps we would be challenging for a top four spot now.

But right, if we'd got Juande in in May or June things would be different. As things might be different if Jol hadn't been undermined five minutes into the season. But that's what forward thinking and long term planning is about. This decision-making sure is a subtle and complicated process.

 

[lukespurs7]

when we sell gardener,stalteri,chimbonda rocha we'll recoup the money for hutton so that and the defoe sale will mean we only really speant a few mil on gunter and gilberto as sales would cover hutton and woodgate 2 quality additions funded by deadwood love it

 

[DogsOfWar]

With new added King, Berbatov and Jenas. Not to mention Lee and Tainio. And Cerny, lest we forget. Yes, the penny's dropped. If we'd had them in the line-up last season the result might have been rather different.

And if we'd spent £40m in the summer on players who would have made an impact this season, rather than in two years' time, perhaps we would be challenging for a top four spot now.

But right, if we'd got Juande in in May or June things would be different. As things might be different if Jol hadn't been undermined five minutes into the season. But that's what forward thinking and long term planning is about. This decision-making sure is a subtle and complicated process.

I was not comparing the Arsenal game of this season with that of last just stating that our first choice line-up of last season was capable of beating, and arguably outclassing, the second best team in the league over two legs.
This would confirm Jol and Levy's confidence that they were indeed good enough to challenge for fourth and therefore that there had been no need to spend money on the starting line-up just on the squad.

As for underming Jol I would actually argue our two worst results were the first two, after that they were pretty much as expected. But the damage was already done, the fans had turned on him and the team and his position had become untenable.

I find the constant demonising of Levy and Commolli ridiculous. Jol was responsible for the first team. He was responsible for deciding who he wanted to replace. He didn't want to replace anyone which is why we bought in promising youngsters. Jol was responsible for spending the £40 million on squad players not Commolli and Levy and he paid for that mistake with his job.

 

[SpurSince57]

Sorry, DOW, I often agree with you, but where exactly do you get 'the fans had turned on him and the team' from? And we did not have our first-choice line up against Arsenal last season—which is why I pointed out the players who were missing. Had they been available—even had Berbatov not had to come off in the first leg—the result might well have been very different.

And how do you know what Jol wanted to do last summer? No-one knows, which is why, far from demonising Comolli, I've always defended him; we have no idea of the constraints they were working under.

Simple fact. Over the last twelve games of last season, with almost our strongest possible line-up, we put together our best set of results in a run-in since 1951. Contrast that with the rest of the season. It was obvious to just about everyone on SC that we needed to strengthen in certain areas; if it was obvious to us lot it must have been obvious to Jol, and Comolli, for that matter. So why did we buy a bunch of promising kids instead?

It should be crashingly obvious that Juande has decided that we simply don't have the necessary strength in depth to compete; FFS, we've spent £20m-odd on what's effectively a whole new back line. If Tiago and his agent hadn't twatted us about you could have added the thick end of another £10m to that. And if Jarque hadn't been injured, it seems pretty likely that Espanyol would have a much healthier bank balance now.

 

[nightgoat]

We aint got no money for defoe yet, he's on loan.

Portsmouth have come out and said it, they need the benjani deal to go through

So, say the Benjani deal collapses, do we get Defoe back?

 

[C0YS]

So, say the Benjani deal collapses, do we get Defoe back?

No we are gonna sign a agreement meaning as soon has the summer window starts, he will become a pompey player


p.s. good artical

 

[Wellspurs]

So, say the Benjani deal collapses, do we get Defoe back?

Yeah we get him back and the goal he scored against the Chavs is put on account for the CC final.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

should we get defoe back? :lol:


Defoe transfer not yet permanent

Defoe equalised for Portsmouth against Chelsea on Saturday

Portsmouth have admitted that striker Jermain Defoe is only on loan at the Fratton Park club.
It was thought that Defoe, who scored on his debut, had signed a permanent deal from Tottenham on transfer deadline day but that is not the case.
However, Portsmouth still hope to push through the deal with the Premier League this week.
"Defoe's transfer was done as an initial loan because of time restraints," said a Pompey spokesman.

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"The full documents will be signed and registered this week and this is a standard method when you have little time."
The revelation that he is, initially, only on loan is yet another twist in the saga that leaves Benjani Mwaruwari still in limbo after his move to Manchester City ran out of time on Thursday night.
Portsmouth manager Harry Redknapp said: "I honestly could not tell you the exact details but, at five minutes to midnight on Thursday, the two deals were dependent on each other with us getting £9m for Benjani and spending it on Defoe.
"I feel for Benjani because at the moment he seems to be the big loser in all this, but hopefully it will all be sorted out on Monday and I think he will end up as a Manchester City player.
"If not, from a greedy football manager's point of view, I'd be delighted to get Benjani back.
"I didn't want to lose him in the first place but, of course, I had to because it is good business to sell a 29-year-old and get in a lad of 25 who is always going to get you goals." Pompey are confident both transfers will go through this week when the Premier League complete their investigation over why forms from City to register Benjani did not arrive in time to beat the January transfer deadline. Defoe grabbed Pompey's equaliser to earn a point on his debut against Chelsea on Saturday.

 

[sloth]

Well, any good manager of an organisation constantly assesses things and makes the decisions on the basis of the current situation. Things change so decisions follow. Form dropped, King's return couldn't be relied upon, confidence was shot to pieces and overall he saw a squad that wasn't delivering.

BOF - would it make you feel better if he said "You know that thing I said in August about 4th? Well that was all wrong. Sorry my bad. I'll be flashing the cash in the window if anyone fancies fleecing me."

He hit the nail on the head when he made that statement after the firing of Jol about relegation being a real risk and he couldn't entertain that so he had to act (or words to that effect). Things changed, he reassessed and he made the huge decision to change manager. In doing so he was always going to support Juande in the window. I suspect Juande would have requested assurances that he could make some changes if he felt it necessary, i.e. I'm saying that manager change and further squad investment was effectively one decision not two.

I'm sure he's gutted that we've had to invest again and replace managers but it's paying off now and I think he's shown the ability to make big decisions.

Not meaning to be confrontational but I feel he's done the right thing overall and it's sometimes too easy to shoot Levy down without really putting yourself in his situation.

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