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Transitional season and signings

Dazza86

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First major post, normally lurking as everytime I see a comment I want to comment on, someone else has hit the nail on the head a few comments later. So I'll just stick my first all under one roof.

Transitional Season

I think last season may have been transitional. We seem to have one every season, but I think the signing of Van Der Vaart forced the change on us. It looks like a 4-2-3-1 formation will be the preferred option next year and last season we lacked two integral parts of this formation. A striker to play on his own, and a right attacking forward who can contribute goals (which explains our inability to kill off teams). I expect us to look something like this next year:

Gomes
Walker - Dawson - Gallas - Ekotto
Sandro - Modric
________ - Van Der Vaart - Bale
_________

We couldn't line up like this this year because Lennon doesn't score enough and is better hugging the line, and we didn't have a striker who can play up top on his own. So we chose the less of two evils, and played to Lennon and Van Der Vaart's strengths in 4-4-1-1.

I also expect us to keep Lennon, at least for a season, for two reasons.
1) We could buy a right forward who isn't as effective as we'd hoped.
2) Lennon would be a great switch to formation back to 4-4-1-1 if we needed it (and we will).

Some people would suggest playing Modric on the left, with Bale switching to left back. I think that doesn't suit the strengths of those players or where they are most comfortable. Bale said last year that he was being groomed to play a more attacking support role, which he preferred. He can score goals and would link well with Van Der Vaart and Modric in a 3 on the left. He also has defensive skills, making up for the defensive cover (or lack of) Modric would provide.

Modric isn't a goal scorer. His shot is as tame as Lennon, and won't ever get more than 5 a season on a regular basis. IMO much more suited to controlling the game from deep, demanding the ball from the defense, and playing it through the opposition - the Tottenham way.

The deep midfielders will be key and the main point of pre match switching. If we want to go defensive, we could have Sandro and Parker (Although Diarra > Parker) - or attacking (at home against weaker opposition where we sucked this year) we could have Huddlestone and Modric.

Signings

If the two blanks aren't big name "marquee" signings, we risk losing and demotivating our best players. A lot of names have been plastered around, and we all know what league those names fit in.

Up top we need someone like Falcao, Drogba, Higuain (yeah yeah, I know), Rossi, Aguero, Eto....Berbatov or Adebayor. I'm not sold on Llorente personally, as I think he is mentally fragile and would end up being a Dzeko, but I guess you can add him to that list. With Leandro as lone striker backup and either Defoe, Pav or Crouch as 4-4-2 backup.

On the right we need someone who can run with the ball, and score 10 - 15 a season. Hulk, Rossi, Lavezzi, Hazard etc. This player should also have some defensive qualities, but isn't as essential as the left because Sandro will be covering behind.

If we were to get two big name signings in these positions, I think it would bring out the ambition in Bale, Van Der Vaart and Modric, each determined to be part of a world class team. If we fail to do this, and sign "decent" players, like Osvaldo, Gameiro, etc we would only get 80% of our current top players and not the 110% that we could. They'll respond in the same way we will.

I also imagine signing Beckham would have a similar knock on effect to the other players and would be worth pursuing. Leadership by reputation.

Of course, all wishful thinking as Friedel looks like our first signing and will completely underwhelm us and the current squad. Some think he'll push Gomes, but Gomes is at his worse under pressure and will likely make more mistakes. If Gomes is to be replaced, I'd want Lloris. A statement of intent or keep Gomes and not sign Friedel.


Thoughts?? Be gentle.
 

faze_coys

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We definitely need top quality players that enable us to switch up formations

especially 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 because you just cant go through a season playing one way because you will get worked out in this league.
 

Dazza86

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A bit late on the Fridel signing

Will have a look at the rest in a bit!

Unfortunately. I get that he might be a better communicator than Gomes and be more stable but Gomes is more capable of saving shots he has no right to, and is 95% of the time a top top goalkeeper. Apparently however Gomes has one year left on his contract and doesn't appear to be signing another, which makes sense if we are looking to sell him on. IMO moving backwards.

We should be going for someone like Lloris or Stelkenburg (?) for the long term and Carlo to slot in if needed.

The only thing that comes to mind is if we have an agreement with a Lloris or Stelkenburg that they join us in a year (dependent on our league position or something), which is when Carlo will be out and Friedel will slot in as number 2.
 

thekneaf

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Modric shot is anything but tame. His problem is that he lashed the ball when placing it is a better option.
 

Dazza86

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Modric shot is anything but tame. His problem is that he lashed the ball when placing it is a better option.

Seriously? I write all that and the one thing you want to say about it is that Modric shot isn't tame...

A small point in the overall census of what I'm trying to discuss, but...thanks. I suppose I take it as a compliment?

Anyway, I'd say that aside from Lennon, Modric generates the least power into a shot than anyone else in our squad. I'm even tempted to include the youth team as well.

He isn't a goal scoring midfielder, which is the point anyway, and shouldn't be played in a position where he would be responsible for getting goals. He would be better used in a holding 2, and creating the attack from the start. He will get some goals, but I'd expect 5 from him per season as a target.
 

thekneaf

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Seriously? I write all that and the one thing you want to say about it is that Modric shot isn't tame...

A small point in the overall census of what I'm trying to discuss, but...thanks. I suppose I take it as a compliment?

Anyway, I'd say that aside from Lennon, Modric generates the least power into a shot than anyone else in our squad. I'm even tempted to include the youth team as well.

He isn't a goal scoring midfielder, which is the point anyway, and shouldn't be played in a position where he would be responsible for getting goals. He would be better used in a holding 2, and creating the attack from the start. He will get some goals, but I'd expect 5 from him per season as a target.

Somebody has a bee in their bonnet! I'm at work so I can't afford to wack out a dissertation on the points you've raised. We need No.9, yes. A right winger maybe. 'Tis the nature of the internet, if you can't tack pithy comments, log off.
 

Dazza86

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Somebody has a bee in their bonnet! I'm at work so I can't afford to wack out a dissertation on the points you've raised. We need No.9, yes. A right winger maybe. 'Tis the nature of the internet, if you can't tack pithy comments, log off.

No bee. I'm beeless.

I suppose when seeing that someone new has joined my thread, I was expecting a comment on the formation or signings, rather than my comment about Modric shot!

Although, I do think he has a tame shot.

I'll stay logged on. :wink:
 

Donki

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Modric shot is anything but tame. His problem is that he lashed the ball when placing it is a better option.

Its getting better, alot better especially this season but when he first came his shot was like a kitten playing with a ball of wool.
 

whatsappnin

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Somebody has a bee in their bonnet! I'm at work so I can't afford to wack out a dissertation on the points you've raised. We need No.9, yes. A right winger maybe. 'Tis the nature of the internet, if you can't tack pithy comments, log off.

Great job! you must be doing really well!
 

NEVILLEB

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Read the whole thing and you are spot on mate.

Top first post...keep them coming

Ignore the idiots
 

thekneaf

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I feel I have to defend myself here! My boss sits behind me so I can only get snatches of comments off. I know it was a pity comment, I called myself on it. And the log off comment was clearly tongue in cheek.

You are correct about the no.9 I will only start looking forward to next season once this problem has been resolved. Maybe this was a transitional season what with the introduction of VDV but it shouldn't have been. This year was far too important to go into unprepared. A second season understocked would be a tragedy.

Harry needs to look at the squad, pick a system and go and plug the gaps with new signings. This needs to be a big season, I both hope and think that Levy and Redknapp know this.

We will have to disagree about Modric's shots, those little legs pack a punch. I think his issue is the same as Fabregas had until a few seasons ago. He spoke of realising that instead of smashing it (not like Keys) it was better to pass the ball, to stroke it into the net. If Luka can learn to do this he will get 10+ a season.

Is that long enough?!:razz:
 

Dazza86

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Read the whole thing and you are spot on mate.

Top first post...keep them coming

Ignore the idiots

Thanks mate. Been waiting to get some of my thoughts on this board, so I'm glad you read it and thought it was worthwhile.

He wasn't being an idiot...I think. And I understand what it likes to have your boss sitting next to you watching over your every move. In fact, I think his done bloody well to even get on the forums and submit a post without getting a bollocking! Shows dedication to Spurs in my book and that makes him a-ok!!
 

brett.spurs

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I haven't read through it properly yet(sorry) but everything there seems to be stuff I keep saying, unfortunately Harry doesn't see it the same way.
 

Dazza86

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I haven't read through it properly yet(sorry) but everything there seems to be stuff I keep saying, unfortunately Harry doesn't see it the same way.

brett, your posts are some of the ones I agree with most actually! I've been reading for a while, and it does come across that you're not Redknapp biggest fan!!

I'm beginning to agree however. Friedel really doesn't set my world on fire, and with Parker likely to be the second addition, I can't see what is there as a statement of intent to our clearly disappointed fans and ambitious players. I hope for all the world Friedel is the right choice, I think Parker is the better of the two less desirable signings, but I'll only be convinced this summer was a success if we plug the obvious gaps with quality players.

I like Parker, I see the point of having him. I'd prefer Diarra, but he might not be viable financially. I think Harry deserves another year for what he has done, and deserves this summer to complete what I think was a transition.

If it doesn't work, and we finish the season in 6th, the only way I can see us keeping our best players would be to appoint one of the worlds best managers in Mourinho. It would cost a fortune, but if it means keeping and improving our squad, it would be the obvious choice. This is a different discussion, but the only way I can see that might make the players think Tottenham is worth staying at.
 

brett.spurs

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All we needed from this window was to clear the squad of players who aren't needed, whilst adding two quality strikers - one established, one younger possibly more adaptable striker. I fear we're going to make some real unnecessary and potentially damaging signings while also increasing the average age of the squad considerably. The squad was already strong but far too big to manage, with Friedel in and Gomes most likely going all we've done is weaken ourselves, not a great start.
 
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