Turkish football can be rough...
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Gilzeanking
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These days you probable mean West Brom tho...they were violent vs us and after their next match vs 'Pool , Klopp was in a state of shock , called it a war..
hillbilly
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These days you probable mean West Brom tho...they were violent vs us and after their next match vs 'Pool , Klopp was in a state of shock , called it a war..
Tony Pulis! Famous for the stylish football he encourages in his teams
Wick3d
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The current title race is tight; there are only two points between Gala and Fener. If it stays this tight towards the end, it will be absolute bedlam as the teams are scheduled to play the second to last game of the season.
It is going to be sheer fucking insanity.
It is going to be sheer fucking insanity.
easley91
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Someone told me yesterday Fenerbahce were 30 points clear but they failed to mention they weren't top and actually it's 30 points clear of Trabzonspor.. Makes them celebrating a last minute winner after dropping a two goal lead more understandable as it keeps them in touch with Galatasaray.
Don't be so disingenuous, I obviously meant they were 30 points clear of the team they had just played (because it was followed up by "it's not like they'd just won a 6-pointer").
My only point in the other thread was that, under those specific circumstances - one of the more bitter rivalries in European football, the fans hate each other, there's often trouble from/between groups of Turkish fans at the best of times, the home fans had been pelting them with whatever they could lay their hands on during the match - there should've been a bit more common sense about it. Maybe think "these fans are fucking furious and have been physically abusing us at every opportunity, should we a) exercise a bit of caution and get off the pitch or b) dance around minutes after the whistle and rub it in their faces lol".
It's not a "celebration police" thing, it's a "fucking hell, it's a tinderbox in here, if we celebrate exuberantly in the middle of the pitch for 5 minutes after the whistle, it could start an actual riot" thing.
My only point in the other thread was that, under those specific circumstances - one of the more bitter rivalries in European football, the fans hate each other, there's often trouble from/between groups of Turkish fans at the best of times, the home fans had been pelting them with whatever they could lay their hands on during the match - there should've been a bit more common sense about it. Maybe think "these fans are fucking furious and have been physically abusing us at every opportunity, should we a) exercise a bit of caution and get off the pitch or b) dance around minutes after the whistle and rub it in their faces lol".
It's not a "celebration police" thing, it's a "fucking hell, it's a tinderbox in here, if we celebrate exuberantly in the middle of the pitch for 5 minutes after the whistle, it could start an actual riot" thing.
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easley91
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So the fans started it during the game? You've just given another example of why fans in Turkish football should be banned permanently. The keeper had something hit his face and something was lobbed in a linesman's direction among countless items and flares thrown onto the pitch.
I don't blame the players for having the last laugh in this case. The fans provoked the players, not the other way round.
Wick3d
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Crowd trouble is always a symptom of wider societal problems, especially in a nation as unstable as Turkey. You can ban the fans, but violence will spill out elsewhere. It is better to keep them contained in stadiums, where they can expel that energy - is the line of thinking used. Turkish football is extremely political, with the tribal factions splitting across political ideologies and religion. The country is currently on a knife edge, but it always is. That's why the people are crazy—myself included.
If you ban the fans from stadiums, they will just wait outside. I'm not joking. If you are part of the police or security forces, what would you prefer?
At no point have I said the fans didn't start it or absolved them of any of the blame but this situation after the match could've been avoided had the players, knowing full well everything I said above, moderated their behaviour.
Some things are more important than "having the last laugh", especially when it's as volatile as it is in Turkey right now.
UncleBuck
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You mean like what Souness done all them years ago? I know he’s a bit mad but there must be something in the water out there, whenever I hear Turkish football mentioned this is always my first memory!
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Sorry but how is Turkey unstable ?Crowd trouble is always a symptom of wider societal problems, especially in a nation as unstable as Turkey. You can ban the fans, but violence will spill out elsewhere. It is better to keep them contained in stadiums, where they can expel that energy - is the line of thinking used. Turkish football is extremely political, with the tribal factions splitting across political ideologies and religion. The country is currently on a knife edge, but it always is. That's why the people are crazy—myself included.
If you ban the fans from stadiums, they will just wait outside. I'm not joking. If you are part of the police or security forces, what would you prefer?
McFlash
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Because of tectonics?
Wick3d
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I'll provide a short summary, but I will stress that the situation is complex and that this isn't the best place for a discussion.
Turkey's perceived instability stems from a blend of political, economic, and social factors heightened by the challenge of hosting millions of refugees. The political landscape is deeply polarised, with the government's consolidation of power sparking debates around democracy and freedom. Economically, the country grapples with high inflation and currency devaluation, impacting everyday life for its citizens.
The social fabric of Turkey is particularly strained due to the significant influx of refugees, both documented and undocumented. This has put pressure on resources and intensified national identity debates, given Turkey's historical emphasis on Turkification. The arrival of large Arab/Asian populations (essentially non-Turkic) has introduced new cultural and religious dynamics into a society already navigating deep divisions.
Football, a major aspect of Turkish culture, mirrors these societal cleavages. Clubs in Turkey are not just sports teams but emblematic of various political ideologies and identities. This intersection of sports and politics reflects the broader tensions within Turkish society, where football stadiums become arenas for expressing wider political and social allegiances.
In sum, Turkey's situation is complex, shaped by its historical legacies, current political governance, economic challenges, and the profound social impact of hosting a large refugee population. This confluence of factors contributes to the perceived instability, affecting everything from day-to-day life to the fervour of football fandom, which often spills over into wider societal expressions.
