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Two years to the day Redknapp was sacked

allatsea

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Actually, I only said "developed the team around them", I didn't say Harry developed the players. And when I talked about "identifying" and "signing" I only meant it to refer to VDV and Modric, not Bale and certainly not King! I guess I can take VDV out of that list now too.

Modric was signed whilst Ramos was our manager. Harry had nothing to do with any of the signings mentioned.
 

eddiebailey

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It is true that Harry had very little to do with any of our star signings, but what he was excellent at was understanding how to get the best out of them, by building the team around them, playing them to their strengths, massaging their egos, identifying the weaknesses in the squad, signing players with grit and experience who would allow the stars to shine, and keeping the youth production line rolling through to the first team.

Harry might not have been the most tactical of coaches (though he certainly was not the dunce some here would like to make out) but he knew a lot more about managing a football team than his successor. I think we would have struggled to stay in touch with the top clubs even if Harry had stayed, but we would be in a better position for sure.
 

Borks

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It is true that Harry had very little to do with any of our star signings, but what he was excellent at was understanding how to get the best out of them, by building the team around them, playing them to their strengths, massaging their egos, identifying the weaknesses in the squad, signing players with grit and experience who would allow the stars to shine, and keeping the youth production line rolling through to the first team.

Harry might not have been the most tactical of coaches (though he certainly was not the dunce some here would like to make out) but he knew a lot more about managing a football team than his successor. I think we would have struggled to stay in touch with the top clubs even if Harry had stayed, but we would be in a better position for sure.

Agree with this but the majority of people who like Harry seem to think he was the greatest manager we've ever had. The fact is, he should have done better with the squad he had. It doesn't matter how he would do with us now, he had those players at his disposal and simply did not do good enough. As has been said before, we've lost a lot of our star players and that's why I will not be critical of any manager that guides us to a 5th/6th place finish with our current squad, because that's where we belong! We don't have the quality to compete at the highest level right now, but Harry did.
 

SpursManChris

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Modric was signed whilst Ramos was our manager. Harry had nothing to do with any of the signings mentioned.
oh damn. You are right. My emphasis was certainly on the fact that he worked with them and got the team to what it was.
 

BoringOldFan

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It is true that Harry had very little to do with any of our star signings, but what he was excellent at was understanding how to get the best out of them, by building the team around them, playing them to their strengths, massaging their egos, identifying the weaknesses in the squad, signing players with grit and experience who would allow the stars to shine, and keeping the youth production line rolling through to the first team.

Harry might not have been the most tactical of coaches (though he certainly was not the dunce some here would like to make out) but he knew a lot more about managing a football team than his successor. I think we would have struggled to stay in touch with the top clubs even if Harry had stayed, but we would be in a better position for sure.

Well said, eddie! (y)

I would tend to agree with the "let's move on" view more if it wasn't for the fact that we (by which I mean Levy) never learns from our/his mistakes. I expect Koeman to be an even bigger success at Southampton (they've had an upward curve in manager quality starting with Adkins), and Levy will be making another change before the 2016/17 season starts.
 

eViL

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I disagree with the 'getting the best out of players' part too.

He was good at giving players what they wanted - Tomato Ketchup & bumper contracts at the end of their careers.
 

$herringham

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♫ ♪ ♫ The wheels on the bus go round and round.... round and round.... round and round. The wheels on the bus go round and round.......................... twooooo yearssssss longgggg ♫ ♪ ♫
 

TwanYid

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The football under him was so direct, so forward. I loved how the wingers and backs overlapped. Remember how wonderful the Lennon/Corluka combo was? Azza would go to the byline and Charlie would receive a pass out on the right and then deliver a beautiful floater into the box for Defoe not to get on the end of...

I loved watching us during Harry's reign. How anyone could come down on him (I mean really come down on him- like say he was shit or whatever) is beyond me. Redknapp gave us our Tottenham, which AVB promptly went and destroyed. Yes, I understand that we should've gotten third that year but top 4 is still top 4- good for the Champions League in every season the system has been in existence except the one in which we were involved.
What happened in Munich simply shows that God does exist, and that he is a football fan who hates us. Also, if we underachieved that season then we overachieved the year we made the CL.
 

Borks

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The football under him was so direct, so forward. I loved how the wingers and backs overlapped. Remember how wonderful the Lennon/Corluka combo was? Azza would go to the byline and Charlie would receive a pass out on the right and then deliver a beautiful floater into the box for Defoe not to get on the end of...

I loved watching us during Harry's reign. How anyone could come down on him (I mean really come down on him- like say he was shit or whatever) is beyond me. Redknapp gave us our Tottenham, which AVB promptly went and destroyed. Yes, I understand that we should've gotten third that year but top 4 is still top 4- good for the Champions League in every season the system has been in existence except the one in which we were involved.
What happened in Munich simply shows that God does exist, and that he is a football fan who hates us. Also, if we underachieved that season then we overachieved the year we made the CL.

I doubt there are many critical of the style of football we played under Harry, but what the pro-Harry brigade conveniently leave out is that it's hard not to play direct attacking football with the likes of Bale, Modric, VDV, Ade (all good at passing and moving while stretching the pitch).

One of my favourite goals in recent years was when HR was in charge, but you'd be silly for thinking that this goal is created by anything other than having high quality fast players.

https://myspace.com/217887561/video/av0-2t/107265951
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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The football under him was so direct, so forward. I loved how the wingers and backs overlapped. Remember how wonderful the Lennon/Corluka combo was? Azza would go to the byline and Charlie would receive a pass out on the right and then deliver a beautiful floater into the box for Defoe not to get on the end of...

I loved watching us during Harry's reign. How anyone could come down on him (I mean really come down on him- like say he was shit or whatever) is beyond me. Redknapp gave us our Tottenham, which AVB promptly went and destroyed. Yes, I understand that we should've gotten third that year but top 4 is still top 4- good for the Champions League in every season the system has been in existence except the one in which we were involved.
What happened in Munich simply shows that God does exist, and that he is a football fan who hates us. Also, if we underachieved that season then we overachieved the year we made the CL.

Personally I think during Harrys last season with us we played good football, but before that it wasn't great. Mainly open end-to-end bollocks, where we won a lot just by having better players than the opposition. I distinctly remember hating the amount of times our midfielders and centre backs hoofed it to Crouch.
 
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yankspurs

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Harry got a good QPR side relegated only netting 20 or ao points from November his first season there. His secind season, he took a sure fire, run away with promotion, better than some PL sides QPR in to the fucking promotion playoffs in order to be promoted over a more deserving albeit not as good Derby side.

His results with QPR essentially prove that he is a perrenial underachiever. He takes a squad with Ledley, Bale, Modric, VDV, and an in form Ade into 4th and had us in 3rd for awhile before he fucked us off behind the england job in his prority list. Even 3rd would have been undersachievimg a bit with the squad we had. Then after the season, he publicly demands a new contract the day of Levy's mothers funeral. The underachieving, non stop talker with verbal diharrea was more than rightfully sacked.
 

HotspurFC1950

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SS57. Younger members probably don't know that we were in fact the Chelsea/City in the sixties and seventies the high spenders and critisized for it... but we didn't do enough bungs to get Jordan and McClean from Leeds, two signings that would have transformed our club?... Manu did though.[/quote

Correct. Bill Nich was allowed to buy the Double and European Cup Winners Cup.
 

Mustard

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olliec

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If Harry was such a great manager surely he would of gone onto bigger and better things than us by now?
Instead he is with QPR a team that is battling not to be relegated. I think a lot of managers could do the same with the crop we had back than, which included Bale, VDV, Modric, in form Sandro, in form Adebayor, and King. Harry was a good man motivator, but sadly was tactically inept.
 

HotspurFC1950

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Harry signed VDV and can also take huge credit for Bale becoming as good as he did. So he inherited a team with King and Modric, thats 2 quality players, but Harry should still take a lot of credit for building that team IMO.


Levy signed VDV.
 

HotspurFC1950

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SS57. Younger members probably don't know that we were in fact the Chelsea/City in the sixties and seventies the high spenders and critisized for it... but we didn't do enough bungs to get Jordan and McClean from Leeds, two signings that would have transformed our club?... Manu did though.


Correct.
 
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