Vincent Janssen

[THFCSPURS19]

In my opinion when you intend to be a constant and serious title challenger with also the demands of CPL and domestic cup competitions ahead there is little room for carrying passengers. Sissoko, Janssen and N'Koudou are three players who have had little or no impact since joining the club. Sissoko is an absolute waste of both money and resources and will hopefully get shipped off to WBA...Janssen is still sitting in Poch's "Pending Projects" file but surely he has only a limited amount of time and opportunity left next season to prove he can score goals in Harry's absence. I can see Vincent going somewhere like Palace / Watford / Huddersfield and being relatively successful but he just doesn't adequately fill that gap for me when Kane is not there. I don't expect an avalanche of goals from him but being a constant threat to the defences and bagging a few would be nice. N'Koudou just isn't good enough for Spurs and never will be, plain and simple.
Maybe Poch is looking at this season as a transitional one not only regarding Wembley but also certain players....one thing is clear though, if Janssen does have one more year to prove his worth then he needs to show a bit more prowess in goal scoring or he most definitely will not be running out at the new stadium in 2018/19.
I don't hate the lad, as I said before, and I'll cheer him gladly and loudly when he does turn out hoping for the metamorphosis that others are expecting to actually occur. I would love him to prove myself and the other doubters wrong so let's see what has happened when we review the season on May 13th 2018 after the Leicester game. COYS !

I'd argue Kane is so good that any 2nd choice striker is going to look inadequate compared to him.

 

[Krule]

I'd argue Kane is so good that any 2nd choice striker is going to look inadequate compared to him.

Totally agree my friend, I'm not expecting anyone to outshine Harry but a few goals would go a long way to having the confidence in him as a reasonably realistic and competent substitute in Kane's absence.

 

[Ben1]

I'd argue Kane is so good that any 2nd choice striker is going to look inadequate compared to him.

I feel i've overspoken in this thread, but its a fair point, imagine being asked to replicate Kane for 3 months a season when hes injured, with little game time under the belt. There are easier jobs in football. Remember last season Chelsea replaced costa with hazard when neccesarily, as we did with Son.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

In my opinion when you intend to be a constant and serious title challenger with also the demands of CPL and domestic cup competitions ahead there is little room for carrying passengers. Sissoko, Janssen and N'Koudou are three players who have had little or no impact since joining the club. Sissoko is an absolute waste of both money and resources and will hopefully get shipped off to WBA...Janssen is still sitting in Poch's "Pending Projects" file but surely he has only a limited amount of time and opportunity left next season to prove he can score goals in Harry's absence. I can see Vincent going somewhere like Palace / Watford / Huddersfield and being relatively successful but he just doesn't adequately fill that gap for me when Kane is not there. I don't expect an avalanche of goals from him but being a constant threat to the defences and bagging a few would be nice. N'Koudou just isn't good enough for Spurs and never will be, plain and simple.
Maybe Poch is looking at this season as a transitional one not only regarding Wembley but also certain players....one thing is clear though, if Janssen does have one more year to prove his worth then he needs to show a bit more prowess in goal scoring or he most definitely will not be running out at the new stadium in 2018/19.
I don't hate the lad, as I said before, and I'll cheer him gladly and loudly when he does turn out hoping for the metamorphosis that others are expecting to actually occur. I would love him to prove myself and the other doubters wrong so let's see what has happened when we review the season on May 13th 2018 after the Leicester game. COYS !

I think you are going to have egg on face when it comes to GKN. He has shown in flashes that he very much has what is required to play for Spurs, needs to be trained when to turn it on and when to play simple. I'd have far more confidence in him making it than Janssen who just looks too laboured to make it in England.

 

[heelspurs]

You're right of course. But very few posters can provide an alternative. @Krule has provided a good shout in Josh King, but that's all we have from the anti Janssen brigade. I can't think of alternatives either and I just don't think there's any out there

Patrik Schick. And yes, i know about the 'heart issue'. due diligence suggests we should at least check into it. If it is arrhythmia that is amenable to ablative therapy (like I believe Clint Dempsey had) then he could be gotten for cheap with limited risk. If it is something more serious then we just leave it alone. But this kid ticks all the boxes otherwise and he was more than interested in sitting the bench at Juve. He's got mobility, good pace, link-up play, and finishing. Considering Juve were getting him for 26M it could be a goer. Yes, I know Samp says that clause has ended but we should look into it. Even if true his price has had to drop considering the 'health scare'.

I was just mentioning a name. I want Janssen to stay as I think he has something and I like an underdog story.

 

[heelspurs]

I think his suggestion is that finding an upgrade on Janssen as Kane's second fiddle is far tougher than people seem to realise.

Not really. I already listed one and here are another two: Davie Selke and lukasz Teodorcyk (sp?). Saw Selke in his Bremen days and thought there might be something to him. And he played well for Germany in the Euros this summer. Teodorcyk I first saw this year for Anderlecht and wonder how in the frick Dinamo Kiev let him go out on loan as they were shit and he looks promising. Top scorer in Belgium this year (i believe) and before you say "yeah, but that is Belgium" just remember Gent kicked our asses and Anderlecht almost did. Both of these players are light years beyond Janssen on the athletic charts (not a great feat). Both bring significantly higher aerial threat and are better facing the goal and with the ball at their feet.

There is also Jovetic but he has injury issues it seems though he did look good for Sevilla. Would Barca deal Paco Alcacer? There was Sandro Ramirez for 6M that Everton gobbled up and has looked pretty good for them...that we could have gotten on a free last year and reportedly wanted to come to us!?!?!?!?!?! And that's only scratching the surface. It particularly easy if one watches more than the PL.

 

[allatsea]

Still amazed that we didn't go for Solanke or Ramirez considering their cost, potential and wouldn't demand being 1st choice.

Solanke especially would have been perfect for us.

Janssen simply doesn't have quick enough feet, good enough control or vision.

He works hard but he needs to move on imho.

You think Chelsea would sell to us ?

 

[YiddoBirdy]

You think Chelsea would sell to us ?

His contract expired

 

[worcestersauce]

I thought Solanke had signed for Liverpool.
I think we signed Janssen on his attitude as much as anything, having been released by his first club he got his head down and worked to make the grade showing great determination in doing so which paid off at his previous club and that would have impressed Pochottino.
Because of this I think Poch is loathe to give up on him and keep him another year, however if it still doesn't work out he will be ruthless and move him on next year, that said if the right offer comes in and we can bring in someone who can already do the job Poch will release him this summer.

 

[king26]

I'd argue Kane is so good that any 2nd choice striker is going to look inadequate compared to him.

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[BringBack_leGin]

Not really. I already listed one and here are another two: Davie Selke and lukasz Teodorcyk (sp?). Saw Selke in his Bremen days and thought there might be something to him. And he played well for Germany in the Euros this summer. Teodorcyk I first saw this year for Anderlecht and wonder how in the frick Dinamo Kiev let him go out on loan as they were shit and he looks promising. Top scorer in Belgium this year (i believe) and before you say "yeah, but that is Belgium" just remember Gent kicked our asses and Anderlecht almost did. Both of these players are light years beyond Janssen on the athletic charts (not a great feat). Both bring significantly higher aerial threat and are better facing the goal and with the ball at their feet.

There is also Jovetic but he has injury issues it seems though he did look good for Sevilla. Would Barca deal Paco Alcacer? There was Sandro Ramirez for 6M that Everton gobbled up and has looked pretty good for them...that we could have gotten on a free last year and reportedly wanted to come to us!?!?!?!?!?! And that's only scratching the surface. It particularly easy if one watches more than the PL.

You have not listed one player who would be any less of a gamble than another year of Janssen, in fact they're all bigger gambles because at least Janssen knows what this league is about now. Exception would be Alcacer, who is likely going to emerge as first choice over Suarez this season.

As for Ramirez, the point is that Janssen provide us a focal point, Sandro would give us nothing different to what Son provides down the middle.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It particularly easy if one watches more than the PL.

That's that's the broad category Janssen was part of before he signed though. "An accomplished, non-PL striker" was exactly what we brought in.

 

[nailsy]

This has been the whole crux of this thread for three pages..people claim there are loads of options, others ask for names, no one has come up with anything bar Josh King or chucking some kids in. Repeat.

Troy Deeney. Premier league proven, scores goals, works hard and doesn't need to relocate.

Unfortunately he's 29 and they turned down a £25m bid from Leicester last season which is kind of the problem we face at the moment. Anyone half decent and proven has a ridiculous value these days.

 

[heelspurs]

You have not listed one player who would be any less of a gamble than another year of Janssen, in fact they're all bigger gambles because at least Janssen knows what this league is about now. Exception would be Alcacer, who is likely going to emerge as first choice over Suarez this season.

As for Ramirez, the point is that Janssen provide us a focal point, Sandro would give us nothing different to what Son provides down the middle.

Then we must agree to disagree. I want Janssen to succeed. If he fulfills his remit then we are better. Plus, as I have stated, I love an underdog story. But all the players I have listed have significant physical abilities and athleticism beyond what Janssen has. And this is his most limiting issue in the PL. He movement, mobility, and straight athleticism limit his ability to effectively be where he needs to be, when he needs to be there. We are hoping that fitness is the answer and perhaps it still is.

 

[HoltbiusMac]

Still amazed that we didn't go for Solanke or Ramirez considering their cost, potential and wouldn't demand being 1st choice.

Solanke especially would have been perfect for us.

Janssen simply doesn't have quick enough feet, good enough control or vision.

He works hard but he needs to move on imho.

Sandro Ramirez is supposedly on £120k p/w because his buy-out was so cheap which obviously rules him out for us.

(source: https://royalbluemersey.sbnation.co...laassen-pickford-keane-wages-transfers-latest)

 

[heelspurs]

That's that's the broad category Janssen was part of before he signed though. "An accomplished, non-PL striker" was exactly what we brought in.

Sure, but there was always a big question mark over his athleticism. Which is also the reason we should not have waited so long and paid so much for him. This is hindsight but hopefully we have learned from it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Sure, but there was always a big question mark over his athleticism. Which is also the reason we should not have waited so long and paid so much for him. This is hindsight but hopefully we have learned from it.

I think the price in hindsight was perfectly fair really. But yeah,
I was never on board with how we went about getting a striker last summer. But that's a different question.
Now that Janssen is here, just give him next season is really what I think.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Which is also the reason we should not have waited so long

We signed him on 12th July.

 

[thebenjamin]

That's that's the broad category Janssen was part of before he signed though. "An accomplished, non-PL striker" was exactly what we brought in.

He'd played one season in the Dutch first division. Before that was playing at a level comparable to league 3, or even non league. Hardly what you could call accomplished - he was a punt.

 

[Krule]

he was a punt.[/QUOTE]

Must get new glasses....I keep seeing the word "punt"..........