We are N17

[worcestersauce]

They're very popular with those of us who happen to live in Tottenham.

And so few Spurs fans live there now!

And those of us who actually live here do like to get home from work and find a parking space outside our own house, or at least in the same street.

So presumably they'd be happy for us to move away all together then they could park wherever they like.


I walked up Park Lane today with my son who lives at Plaistow and he tells me that all around his way there are homes and shops with West Ham flags and other West Ham colours up and cars with Hammers stickers etc, along Park Lane I saw not one single thing that would lead me to believe that we were 200 yards from one of the most famous football clubs in the world, not one single bloody flag, sticker or pennant and I have still to see a local kid with a Spurs shirt on rather than an Arsenal or Man Utd shirt.

The sad thing SS57 is that the Spurs have moved away already, you are now a dieing breed, a Spurs fan in Tottenham, and sadly most local people do see the club as just a nuisance that makes it difficult for them to park rather than part of their heritage.

 

[SpurSince57]

The sad thing SS57 is that the Spurs have moved away already, you are now a dieing breed, a Spurs fan in Tottenham, and sadly most local people do see the club as just a nuisance that makes it difficult for them to park rather than part of their heritage.

I don't know that they do. Unless you're some kind of idiot, like those people who move to a village and then start complaining about the bellringing practice, you accept that living close to a football stadium is going to cause you a degree of inconvenience and make adjustments. The CPZ, in any case, was the club's initiative as much as Haringey Council's, and if you're dim enough to risk a fine or towing away then you really can't expect any sympathy.

It's true, the demographic of the area has changed since the early 60s; as with all predominantly working-class areas, after a couple of generations it's time for some upward mobility and the 'old' families head out to Southgate or Enfield or Hoddesdon or Harlow or somewhere, taking their allegiance to Spurs with them.

 

[michaelden]

Say yes to Tottenham.

Fans of Tottenham Hotspur will not stand by whilst the custodians of our club use the power entrusted to them to destroy our heritage and the local community.

We need your help.

Tottenham Hotspur - it's in the name.

Visit WeAreN17.co.uk to sign the petition. Find us on twitter, facebook.

We are N17.

and the drama queen award goes to the writer of that phrase. :lol:

destroy the community? look around and you'll see the most of the high road is takeaways living off the community and fans. what have they put back in? where are their contributions to the club, transport infrastructure and even the look of the area. Lets be honest, it looks shit cos they don't paint, fix or modernise their lots.

 

[worcestersauce]

I don't know that they do. Unless you're some kind of idiot, like those people who move to a village and then start complaining about the bellringing practice, you accept that living close to a football stadium is going to cause you a degree of inconvenience and make adjustments. The CPZ, in any case, was the club's initiative as much as Haringey Council's, and if you're dim enough to risk a fine or towing away then you really can't expect any sympathy.

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Fair enough SS57 I'll accept that from you, perhaps the CPZ could be a bit more flexible though, if you walk round the zone off Park Lane you'll see that there are lots of available spaces not used by residents so maybe they could allocate a certain number of spaces as available parking, just a thought but it would be a fine gesture by the local residents.

PS it doesn't actually affect me but I see it as unfriendly to say the least.

 

[SpurSince57]

and the drama queen award goes to the writer of that phrase. :lol:

destroy the community? look around and you'll see the most of the high road is takeaways living off the community and fans. what have they put back in? where are their contributions to the club, transport infrastructure and even the look of the area. Lets be honest, it looks shit cos they don't paint, fix or modernise their lots.

A truly insightful post from someone who clearly knows Tottenham very well. :roll:

 

[michaelden]

A truly insightful post from someone who clearly knows Tottenham very well. :roll:

You're right I don't know the area well. Lived in Edmonton for a few years and pass through Tottenham often on way to see my family. I currently live on the same road as Selhurst, about 200 metres from the stadium. It is far more residential than Tottehham so its hard to compare the 2 but at least the Sainsburys is always tidy and clean. In my last few trips to Spurs I noticed how the area had degraded in a few years. There appears to have been little to none investment by anyone aside from Spurs. Yet a lot of businesses must benefit from the influx of passing trade each game day.

I can only call it as I see it.

 

[StartingPrice]

1500 of those 2700 signatures belong to kebab shop owners.

:rofl:

Staying in Tottenham as first option = YES.

Staying in Tottenham at all costs even if it means being financially uncompetitive and in the wilderness for another 20 years = NO.

Could someone do a counter-petition for that, as I believe it more accurately represents the feelings of the majority of Spurs fans and not just the vocal minority:shrug:

 

[michaelden]

SP - I'll sign up too

 

[Shanks]

What would be better for the club in itself?

Putting all issues aside, as per location, which option would be the best one for the actual club itself?

Would it be to stay where we are, and renovate, or move to Stratford?

Honestly, because I don't know and haven't paid much attention to it all - (I thought the stratford move was more of a smoke screen originally!)

 

[StartingPrice]

SP - I'll sign up too

:up:

I should have added: "and we have faith in Dan (IEL) Levy to make the right decision for the best of the club".

 

[michaelden]

:up:

I should have added: "and we have faith in Dan (IEL) Levy to make the right decision for the best of the club".

:clap: Well said that man!

 

[hoddle1987]

all this 'it would make us financially competitive' talk.. the fact is we are getting bankrolled by someone who im sure most of you are aware of. look around. the 'financially competitive' clubs IN THIS DAY AND AGE get their competitiveness from being bankrolled in a similar fashion..and not from how much cash they take on a saturday.

if you want to sell out to the corporates and the hospitality suites, like arsenal have done, you can rightfully claim that the club is 'self-sufficient', but you will happily stay in the second-tier of european football - forever.

 

[StartingPrice]

all this 'it would make us financially competitive' talk.. the fact is we are getting bankrolled by someone who im sure most of you are aware of. look around. the 'financially competitive' clubs IN THIS DAY AND AGE get their competitiveness from being bankrolled in a similar fashion..and not from how much cash they take on a saturday.

if you want to sell out to the corporates and the hospitality suites, like arsenal have done, you can rightfully claim that the club is 'self-sufficient', but you will happily stay in the second-tier of european football - forever.

Wow...and you didn't even notice that there will soon be regulations in place ensuring that ALL clubs spend within their means:shrug:

So, what you are suggesting is that we shouldn't continue to grow as the bes run club at the top (more-or-less) just at the time to take advantage of that fact, because some clubs who will no-longer just be able to thrive off being bankrolled, have been bankrolled in the past? Have I got your meaning:shrug:

p.s. Joe Lewis have never 'bank-rolled' us.

p.p.s. By the logic you are employing we shouldn't even bother going ahead with the NDP.

 

[sloth]

I agree that the transport 'problem' is overplayed. I got home to Wimbledon after a recent night game in an hour ten. And for fuck's sake, who starts supporting a football team or going to games based on accessibility?

I think the transport argument is a little weak to be honest. I have been going to the lane for over 10 years now and travelled in from west london, Watford and now the midlands. Apart from my traveling distance increasing i cant really say that i have had many issues with getting to the ground. Sure traffic on the roads near the ground is bad but show me a place in London where it isn't?

Yup i agree. Never had a problem getting out the Lane. Takes about 45 mins to get there and about 1 hour to get back.

Just wanted to point out that the infrastructure creaks but copes with 36k on a Saturday afternoon, but we're talking another 20k on top of that...

That said I do take people's point about the infrastructure not being the main thing. For instance if the cost of the NDP and the OS were roughly equivalent then there'd be no argument but we'd stay in Tottenham, and transport infrastructure issues be damned

We move to Stratford and Wet Spam become our main rivals. We will be to them what Arsenal are to us.

Also it means L'Arse have run us out of North London.

I think a lot of people feel this way. There's so much of our identity wrapped up in our not being the "dirty, gypsy scummers" from down the road, that for many of the hard-core, the move - doing what Arsenal did all those years ago - would mean rejecting all the righteous high-ground they've enjoyed standing on for years. In other words it would be tantamount to admitting we're no better than Arsenal.

But most of us area adults and even if it's a laugh (or even serious at the time) all this hatred stuff, most of us have mates who support Arsenal and we know they're no better or worse than us, no more or less responsible for anything their club did back in the 20s than we are for ours.

But the issue is it would mean eating a bit of humble pie, so when we played against West Ham we wouldn't be able to face down their interloper accusations or the Arsenal's knowing piss taking when we end up no different to them... and that's what I reckon a lot of people can't stomach. Not the frankly trivial move from one bit of North London to a bit slightly East only 5 miles away, but having to know the other fan's taunts were justified.

And yet, isn't that a tiny bit selfish? You lot who've hurled righteous abuse at Arsenal for years aren't prepared to take a bit of it back for your club? You'd rather see us stagnate for 40 years - or whatever the hyperbole used is - than have to face a bit of teasing from Arsenal and West Ham fans? I say we all should be prepared to make sacrifices in the best interests of the club.

Fingers crossed we don't have to though.

all this 'it would make us financially competitive' talk.. the fact is we are getting bankrolled by someone who im sure most of you are aware of. look around. the 'financially competitive' clubs IN THIS DAY AND AGE get their competitiveness from being bankrolled in a similar fashion..and not from how much cash they take on a saturday.

if you want to sell out to the corporates and the hospitality suites, like arsenal have done, you can rightfully claim that the club is 'self-sufficient', but you will happily stay in the second-tier of european football - forever.

We're a PLC. We have to publish our accounts each year. We're not bankrolled by Joe Lewis. In fact Joe Lewis is no Abramovich or Sheik Mansour, he's not in it for the prestige or because he's bored, for him ENIC is an investment pure and simple and not even a very important one at that.

 

[jj87]

Dont understand for the life of me where talk of 'stagnation' has come from.

Are we stagnating now?

This has been the clubs most successful period in my living memory (betraying my age here)

Stratford is not an all-or-nothing option.

 

[nickchrissi]

Something everyone seems to be forgetting is that the club has invested millions (yes millions) in buying out all the local businesses and buying up all the land around the ground.

The last piece of the puzzle that needed to be acquired was Archway Metals who got a very nice 7-figure sum, so we have to stay at WHL. Although the Olympic Stadium is a cheaper option we paid massively over the odds for the property we purchased and we'd most definitely lose money.

There is no way with the money the club has spent on surrounding property there's nop way that we can move away simply because the newly purchased property would drop in price dramatically if we weren't there.

 

[ethanedwards]

Something everyone seems to be forgetting is that the club has invested millions (yes millions) in buying out all the local businesses and buying up all the land around the ground.

The last piece of the puzzle that needed to be acquired was Archway Metals who got a very nice 7-figure sum, so we have to stay at WHL. Although the Olympic Stadium is a cheaper option we paid massively over the odds for the property we purchased and we'd most definitely lose money.

There is no way with the money the club has spent on surrounding property there's nop way that we can move away simply because the newly purchased property would drop in price dramatically if we weren't there.

It still might work out cheaper to move despite what has been paid for local property, only Levy and the board can answer that one.

 

[MattyP]

Something everyone seems to be forgetting is that the club has invested millions (yes millions) in buying out all the local businesses and buying up all the land around the ground.

The last piece of the puzzle that needed to be acquired was Archway Metals who got a very nice 7-figure sum, so we have to stay at WHL. Although the Olympic Stadium is a cheaper option we paid massively over the odds for the property we purchased and we'd most definitely lose money.

There is no way with the money the club has spent on surrounding property there's nop way that we can move away simply because the newly purchased property would drop in price dramatically if we weren't there.

Pretty sure the club would at least get the money back if they sold it off for housing redevelopment.

We own a pretty sizeable plot of land.

 

[StartingPrice]

Dont understand for the life of me where talk of 'stagnation' has come from.

Are we stagnating now?

This has been the clubs most successful period in my living memory (betraying my age here)

Stratford is not an all-or-nothing option.

We have been stagnating for over 20 years - we our now pulling out ofthat stagnation thanks to some shrewd investment in teamand infrastructure by the hairman who believes we won't be able to take this forward any further without a considerable increase in match-day revenues:shrug:

 

[Norwegian_YId]

Why would anyone do a vocal protest when things are going so well? Off the pitch issues do effect resuts, so best the fans shut the fuck up and accept that we don't actually want to move, it's a backup plan FFS.

Perhaps because there is no point in winning games when you cant be proud of it?

And I, like many others, wont be as proud of THFC anymore if we moved to East London.


If supporting a football club was all about winning, then I would have supported Chelsea or Man Utd