We will relegate if we continue with 4-5-1

[spursfan1991]

or 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1 whichever way you look at it. We just don't have the strikers or the wingers to play this formation. Our players look lost when we play this, at times it makes you wonder if they're even trying. It's like the players are locked in a cage and they're roaring to get out of it. We just don't create chances and it has resulted in us having one of our worst records at home for a long time.

However whenever we play 4-4-2, the players seem more comfortable, they look free and look like they care and it has showed with the amount of goals we've scored and the chances we've created. I'm not saying we will win the league by reverting to 4-4-2 but we sure as hell won't be relegated.

 

[gibbs131]

Modric with a lone striker is a farce.

 

[spursfan1991]

Modric with a lone striker is a farce.

Exactly, i don't know who to blame, Modric for not being good enough to play the role or the players around him for not utilizing him. Modric looks so much more comfortable in a 4-4-2.

 

[Beni]

I am sorry, you maybe right that we can't play 4-5-1.
But, people blaming Redknapps decision to play 4-5-1, when everyone was posting their teams after the Defoe injury news, all of them were 4-5-1, so Redknapp can't win.

 

[spursfan1991]

I am sorry, you maybe right that we can't play 4-5-1.
But, people blaming Redknapps decision to play 4-5-1, when everyone was posting their teams after the Defoe injury news, all of them were 4-5-1, so Redknapp can't win.

This is so true, i found it baffling to be honest, it's like people haven't watched any of our matches this season. We have been consistently awful with this formation, it's not in our blood to play in such a negative way. Our players, specially the wingers don't have the talent to turn the formation into 4-3-3 when we have the ball and our strikers can't hold the ball up.

Also we need to stop playing Bentley on the left regardless of formation, if you're gonna play him, stick him on the right.

 

[RuislipSpur]

We go 442 and score 2 goals whereas we hadn't looked dangerous at all before then. When will he learn!

 

[Dartford_Spur]

I am sorry, you maybe right that we can't play 4-5-1.
But, people blaming Redknapps decision to play 4-5-1, when everyone was posting their teams after the Defoe injury news, all of them were 4-5-1, so Redknapp can't win.

he isnt judged on the basis that his team is similar to that of fans on a forum, hes a premier leaue manager and his job is to win games, especially against other relegation threatened clubs, which he hasnt done.we might as well play zokora in the second striker role, because for all his amazing technical ability, modric is not a frontman. or even better yet, why not play our leading scorer who is sitting on the bench?

 

[Beni]

he isnt judged on the basis that his team is similar to that of fans on a forum, hes a premier leaue manager and his job is to win games, especially against other relegation threatened clubs, which he hasnt done.we might as well play zokora in the second striker role, because for all his amazing technical ability, modric is not a frontman. or even better yet, why not play our leading scorer who is sitting on the bench?

Well, he's beaten Bolton, Stoke, West Ham, Blackburn and Man City just off the top of my head, so theres some relegation games won.

On paper, the team and formation he picked, are good enough to beat any team outside the top 4, and especially Bolton.
Its not his fault that it takes the players to go 2 goals down for them to start wanting to put the effort in and win the game.
Then once, back at 2-2, the players all think, "Job done", yet, once again we're punished, and then they put the effort in again for the last 3-4 minutes, which is too late.

 

[spursfan1991]

I really fear for next weeks fixture against arsenal at home, i really hope harry doesn't adopt the negative formation, they're their for the taking, they're on bad form for their standards and their best midfielder is out injured.

 

[spursfan1991]

Well, he's beaten Bolton, Stoke, West Ham, Blackburn and Man City just off the top of my head, so theres some relegation games won.

On paper, the team and formation he picked, are good enough to beat any team outside the top 4, and especially Bolton.
Its not his fault that it takes the players to go 2 goals down for them to start wanting to put the effort in and win the game.
Then once, back at 2-2, the players all think, "Job done", yet, once again we're punished, and then they put the effort in again for the last 3-4 minutes, which is too late.

Thats the problem, the game isn't played on paper and is played on grass and the players have been poor when they've been told to play this formation.

 

[Beni]

Thats the problem, the game isn't played on paper and is played on grass and the players have been poor when they've been told to play this formation.

Exactly, so whatever tactics, formations Redknapp picks, not all the players are putting in the effort, or only doing it when they want to.

Its not just 4-5-1, they've been poor playing 4-4-2 aswell.

 

[Johnspur]

442 all the way, 451 just looks like we're trying to avoid defeat/damage limitation. Play 442 and go for the win, you should always play for the win and we certainly need the points.

2 wins and 3 defeats is better than 5 draws...dumb thing to say i know, but it's best to go all out for 3 points.

 

[SpurSince57]

It was Ramos who started off this nonsense, but the fact is that 4-5-1 need not be a negative formation.

What's happened is that our striker, be it Bent or Pav, has been consistently isolated. Supply from the wings has been disappointing, and our midfielders aren't pressing up in support. And Modric isn't, never has been and never will be a Number 10. If we were back in the 60s, playing a 3-3-4, I could see him in the John White role, but until I achieve my aim of becoming a benevolent world dictator and issue an edict allowing the use of only one CB at any time, I can't see us adopting that line-up in a hurry. Although it would be fun.

 

[spursfan1991]

It was Ramos who started off this nonsense, but the fact is that 4-5-1 need not be a negative formation.

What's happened is that our striker, be it Bent or Pav, has been consistently isolated. Supply from the wings has been disappointing, and our midfielders aren't pressing up in support. And Modric isn't, never has been and never will be a Number 10. If we were back in the 60s, playing a 3-3-4, I could see him in the John White role, but until I achieve my aim of becoming a benevolent world dictator and issue an edict allowing the use of only one CB at any time, I can't see us adopting that line-up in a hurry. Although it would be fun.

If only that was the standard formation for all teams now.

 

[dannythomas]

It was Ramos who started off this nonsense, but the fact is that 4-5-1 need not be a negative formation.

What's happened is that our striker, be it Bent or Pav, has been consistently isolated. Supply from the wings has been disappointing, and our midfielders aren't pressing up in support. And Modric isn't, never has been and never will be a Number 10. If we were back in the 60s, playing a 3-3-4, I could see him in the John White role, but until I achieve my aim of becoming a benevolent world dictator and issue an edict allowing the use of only one CB at any time, I can't see us adopting that line-up in a hurry. Although it would be fun.

We just dont have the recipe for a functioning 4-5-1. Our midfielders ( including our wide players ) do not get forward into scoring positions enough and we have no striker whose hold up play is good enough to wait for them to get forward. I have said that the only recent Spurs striker who could have done that was Kanoute ( Berbatov in theory but he would have probably walked off the pitch in frustration at his isolation ).

If we go back to 1987 we had a prolific scorer who netted enough for 2 strikers and all our midfielders Waddle, Hoddle, Allen, Ardiles and Hodge chipped in with their share of goals. Most of all the holding abilities of Ossie and the hard box to box running of Paul Allen encouraged the other 3 midfielders to support Clive. In tribute to the much maligned David Pleat he made sure all his team were comfortable with the system.

Watching our efforts at 4-5-1 our midfielders do not seem to understand how to play the system and it as if we are still playing 4 in midfield since none of them appear to recognise that the extra man in midfield frees up the likes of Lennon or Jenas not to mention Modric to break forward more than they would do in a 4-5-1.

 

[eyes]

It's a myth to assume we get better results when we play 442. There is very little difference between the results we get playing with one up front and those we get playing a two man strike force.

 

[spursfan1991]

It's a myth to assume we get better results when we play 442. There is very little difference between the results we get playing with one up front and those we get playing a two man strike force.

I can only remember it being used 3 times in the league, a draw against portsmouth where we had about 20 shots, comfortable win against Stoke and in Wigan away, harry decided to play players in positions they haven't played in, in a very long time. With 4-5-1, it's not just about the result, it's the performance, we just don't look like creating a chance, Dannythomas explained the reasons why we don't very well.

 

[alextheyid]

442 whoever we're playing..even if its arsenal at emirates or united at theirs...

 

[eyes]

I can only remember it being used 3 times in the league, a draw against portsmouth where we had about 20 shots, comfortable win against Stoke and in Wigan away, harry decided to play players in positions they haven't played in, in a very long time. With 4-5-1, it's not just about the result, it's the performance, we just don't look like creating a chance, Dannythomas explained the reasons why we don't very well.

We have used 442 on 8 occassions this season in the league. Of these 8 games we have won 2, draw 2 and lost 4.

In every other game (bar the Wigan away game) we have played with a lone front man, winning 4, drawing 5 and losing 7.

Both formations carry a 25% success rate. There's nothing to split the two.

 

[stemark44]

Nothing wrong with any of the systems,we just don't have the right kind of players to play them!
Any system with the wrong players is useless.