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We won't win the league! or every game this season.

StartingPrice

Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip
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Why? he have a squad that has got us 4th twice in the last 3 years and 5th. I understand we've lost Modric but we should still be capable of finishing where we did last season

Because 'Arry and AVB are very different propositions: 'Arry was all about picking the squad up, moticating them, get them enjoying playing the game again - therefore you should expect an instant affect. And that tells the fallacy in this part of your argument. Redknapp had already had 3/4 of a season to get to know the players, get them motivated, get them used to his methods. And he wasn't, in any way, expected to make any alterations in the way we play. AVB, on the other hand, is a coach, and he is being brought in to try to take us that one step further - and that requires, as many said while Redknapp was not quite breaking the glass ceiling, tactical nous and attention to detail. AVB hasn't had 3/4 of last season to get his methods working, get to know his squad, etc. And he is expected to implement some modifications to our playing style.

Under these circumstances, I think we should expect something of a teething process - I think that is only fair (even by direct comparison with Rekdnapp, who, like I said, got 3/4 ofthe season before to get working in). In other words, we may get off to a slow start, and that may handicap us in terms of finishing in the top 4. But, AVB pays attention to things like core fitness, and promises mroe effect squad rotation. If these methodologies work, we shouln't look knackered and bereft of ideas at the back end of seasons. In other words, if we finish strongly, it would be a positive sign that AVBs approach was taking effect. Should we really be talking about ditching a new coach straight away when if there are positive signs, just because he had a slow start (that wouldn't be totally unexpected, or beyond comprehension).

And the whole purpose of this appiontment, so far as I can tell, is to break through that glass ceiling that Redknapp couldn't. So, maybe Redknapp got top4, maybe he would have got top 4 this season, but our CL appearances may have been sporadic, and we may never have got any closer to competing than that. By appointing AVB, we are looking to appiont someone who will be able to break that glass ceiling - so the question, really, is would you prefer a manager who had us hangin around the edges of the top 4, have some exicting memories from our sporadic CL appearances, but never get any closer to the top teams, or risk missing the top 4 this season by hiring a coach who is ultimately going to push us into contention with the top teams?

So, not really as straightforward as saying Redknapp got 4th, so AVB must do so in his first season (and to repeat, again, it wasn't really Redknapp's first season, was it).
 

defoe18

The game is about glory..
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I said his first "full" season and at no point am I slagging off AVB or suggesting I want him gone. I'm just saying he should be able to get 4/5th as that is what the squad is capable of based on the last 3 years.

But that's just my view, not an argument, personal opinion
 

StartingPrice

Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip
Feb 13, 2004
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I said his first "full" season and at no point am I slagging off AVB or suggesting I want him gone. I'm just saying he should be able to get 4/5th as that is what the squad is capable of based on the last 3 years.

But that's just my view, not an argument, personal opinion

If you aren't counting this season as a full season then I probably agree with you (although I am quite a patient fella, so, again, it would depend on the circumstances).

The problem is, there are some folk who are demanding top 4 this season, without any thought, allowances or considerations, and when you say he should get top 4 as Redknapp did or he should be sacked, it makes it sound like you are one of them.

Anyway, as I've explained to them folk, I am making a technical argument, because I might not be demanding top 4 this season, but I think we'll get it.
 

defoe18

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Again, didn't say he should be sacked if we don't get top 4, but we should aim for the top 4 or the club risks going backwards
 

StartingPrice

Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip
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Again, didn't say he should be sacked if we don't get top 4, but we should aim for the top 4 or the club risks going backwards

Fine, it just sounded that way.
But we will only risk going backwards if you don't get top 4 if either there are no positives to take into the future, or...we sack the coach willy-nilly.
 

mk_spur

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Feb 28, 2006
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Just to let everyone know, we are a work in progress under AVB and won't be winning the Premier League or every single match this season- incase people thought we may be going to ;)

COYS.
if thats the case then i demand a refund
 

lukespurs7

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Feb 21, 2006
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Anyone who rated my post dumb is dumb.

As for the proper replies agree with the notion that Harry provided an instant pick-up solution but was never a long-term project type coach. hopefully AVB will be that man and we will end up with one step back two forward to take us to the next level.

Some good signings this window and young at that which Is promising. If we can get a GK- lloris, a winger(Willian) and Mabye a striker (Remy) possibly then get rid of VDV,Daws,Hudd,Jenas etc then AVB can start to shape and mould an incredibly talented young squad.
 

shelfmonkey

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Mar 21, 2007
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WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE WON'T WIN THE...........!!?

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