Well done Harry...

[stemark44]

A 4-4-1-1 is simply a formation that Harry has adopted because he wants to shoehorn both VDV and Lennon into his team even though it creates huge defensive difficulties for the team.
Harry's way is to get as many of his best players into his starting 11 and hope that they can outplay the opposition.
It is nothing like playing 4-3-3 with 2 defensive midfielders.

 

[shaqTHFC]

Just a question for those who prefer the system we've been using the last 3 games, if we were to do the improbable and sign Hazard what would your preferred formation be? Would you replace VDV with him or drop Sandro/Parker or something else?

 

[Legend10]

I've found you offensive towards Robbie Keane Legend10... ;-)

Ah yes, this I can't deny!

keane did drive me towards total insanity at times!

 

[Dare!]

Just a question for those who prefer the system we've been using the last 3 games, if we were to do the improbable and sign Hazard what would your preferred formation be? Would you replace VDV with him or drop Sandro/Parker or something else?

Rush goalie.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

BC, show one quote where I've argued against the idea?

I have said that I think our best front 6 is:

Lennon...........Parker.............Mods..............Bale

...................................rafa...............................

....................................Ade................................

I still think it is, because you can have your extra man by dropping Rafa in, you prefer the xtra defensive player and I prefer the extra attacking one although there are times for sure where I would go with the extra defensive one.

I think that formation has it's time and place. That place is nearly always WHL and that time is not very often as a starting line up, in my opinion. I think taking Lennon out and pushing Modric forward gives us better balance of skills and offers us more control of the game and as a byproduct we seem to create more. It also makes us better defensively.

I think people like Lennon and Defoe are better coming on as impact subs and running at ragged legs. Lennon can come on and we can still keep the same shape.

But I stress, we have played well in at least three different formations this season with different combinations of personnel. The feature of all those games was the work rate, movement and cohesion. The most important thing for me is that we continue to press and work better as a coherent unit as we have in the last 3 games. The first time, imo, that we have done it three games running under Redknapp.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

fair play, its true u need to change up sometimes against the opposition , but 442 still has a big part of our game and what we do so well, just needs to be mixed up at the right times. At home sometimes playiin 442 we are unplayable just silky sexy footy!! i agree n understand the formation needs to be tweeked now and again depenind on the opposition but let not loose the magic and soul of some of our best sexy spurs play!!

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

I think that formation has it's time and place. That place is nearly always WHL and that time is not very often as a starting line up, in my opinion. I think taking Lennon out and pushing Modric forward gives us better balance of skills and offers us more control of the game and as a byproduct we seem to create more. It also makes us better defensively.

I think people like Lennon and Defoe are better coming on as impact subs and running at ragged legs. Lennon can come on and we can still keep the same shape.

But I stress, we have played well in at least three different formations this season with different combinations of personnel. The feature of all those games was the work rate, movement and cohesion. The most important thing for me is that we continue to press and work better as a coherent unit as we have in the last 3 games. The first time, imo, that we have done it three games running under Redknapp.

Good call with your point about "playing well in at least three different formations this season with different combinations of personnel. The feature of all those games was the work rate, movement and cohesion"

 

[Stoof]

In years gone by, the call I would hear from the stands was "move for him", "MOVEMENT SPURS!!" - I'm not sure I've heard that this season.

Don't get me wrong, we've had our lethargic moments, but if it's Redknapp's doing then the fact that the players move for each other has been a critical improvement in our play. They seem to want to move for each other as well. Signs of a good team.

 

[Mr Pink]

I dissected the tactical autopsy thread and told Harry everything that you all said and he listened intently and so you are all responsible for the change in tactics Eek[/quote

That sarcasm ain't looking to clever now is it

 

[Mr Pink]

He does deserve credit for using the formation/tactics he was in the last three games, but lets be honest, with the players we have, and having prior evidence of it's efficacy on the odd occasion he experimented previously, it's quite disappointing that it has taken so long to adopt, and even now I'm not sure he will. I live in hope.

Unfortunately your instincts were correct.

 

[Krafty]

I don't have a problem with a 4-4-2 as long as you press from the front, which we didn't do, and while the wingers can get chalk on their boots they also need to get back out help out the full backs, which they didn't do. Add in modric's very poor performance, King struggling badly and Saha doing not much at all, any formation would have seen us lose today with that poor amount of effort.

 

[Kingstheman]

4-4-2 is just a tool.

Manchester United can use it.

We seem to be unable to use it at the moment.

 

[JJetset]

Very very disappointing and a certain MR R just doesnt listen to his backroom staff about tactics.

Havent bother to read any posts and i wont bother as today was suicide. He knows it and he committed it.

He has to take full responsibility.

Also Delia gave us a lovely lasagna to eat just before the game that she had cooked especially.....

4-4-2 pffft

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't have a problem with a 4-4-2 as long as you press from the front, which we didn't do, and while the wingers can get chalk on their boots they also need to get back out help out the full backs, which they didn't do. Add in modric's very poor performance, King struggling badly and Saha doing not much at all, any formation would have seen us lose today with that poor amount of effort.

Yes, but the fact remains Modric is a better in a three - IMO, I should say. One other in there means there doing a shit load of work so the only way we can get away with it is to play Parker, without him its suicide.

I just think Modric needs to be in a three, his last really good performance was Norwich away - in a three.

 

[Hot-Spur]

Very very disappointing and a certain MR R just doesnt listen to his backroom staff about tactics.

Havent bother to read any posts and i wont bother as today was suicide. He knows it and he committed it.

He has to take full responsibility.

Also Delia gave us a lovely lasagna to eat just before the game that she had cooked especially.....

4-4-2 pffft

Nooooooooo not again!

 

[Krafty]

Yes, but the fact remains Modric is a better in a three - IMO, I should say. One other in there means there doing a shit load of work so the only way we can get away with it is to play Parker, without him its suicide.

I just think Modric needs to be in a three, his last really good performance was Norwich away - in a three.

I agree, I think a 3 frees him up a lot more and makes us a lot more solid. Problem is a) do you try to shoe horn VdV on the right of a front three, and b) Modric doesn't score enough to be the only centrally attacking midfielder. If Bale and Lennon both play and dont link up well with the front man, we struggle to get on the end of anything we create.

I think modric can play centrally in a 4-4-2, but one of the strikers needs to be willing and able to drop deep and link with midfield (and if its VDV then its really a 4-4-1-1) and the wingers have to come inside at times to give options, allow full backs to overlap, and to keep us tight when we lose the ball. Modric isn't the problem although he certainly didn't help matters, the team should be better set up

 

[Mr Pink]

I agree, I think a 3 frees him up a lot more and makes us a lot more solid. Problem is a) do you try to shoe horn VdV on the right of a front three, and b) Modric doesn't score enough to be the only centrally attacking midfielder. If Bale and Lennon both play and dont link up well with the front man, we struggle to get on the end of anything we create.

I think modric can play centrally in a 4-4-2, but one of the strikers needs to be willing and able to drop deep and link with midfield (and if its VDV then its really a 4-4-1-1) and the wingers have to come inside at times to give options, allow full backs to overlap, and to keep us tight when we lose the ball. Modric isn't the problem although he certainly didn't help matters, the team should be better set up

Yeah agree with that Krafty, and yes I would go with a, would just like to see more of it over an extended run of games.

 

[stemark44]

Very very disappointing and a certain MR R just doesnt listen to his backroom staff about tactics.

Havent bother to read any posts and i wont bother as today was suicide. He knows it and he committed it.

He has to take full responsibility.

Also Delia gave us a lovely lasagna to eat just before the game that she had cooked especially.....

4-4-2 pffft

That's shocking to hear that JJ.
The man is the Inspector Clouseau of football management!

 

[kcmei]

we just seem to be completely at loss when the other team work hard to close down. We simple are not good enough to knock the ball around in those situations.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Very very disappointing and a certain MR R just doesnt listen to his backroom staff about tactics.

Havent bother to read any posts and i wont bother as today was suicide. He knows it and he committed it.

He has to take full responsibility.

Also Delia gave us a lovely lasagna to eat just before the game that she had cooked especially.....

4-4-2 pffft

It is baffling isn't it. It's not the 442 that's the problem - although it's not ideal for us clearly. It's who and how he applies it. Bale, Modric and Lennon is bad enough when they have Parker running around like nutter covering all their arses, even then it looks too open and vulnerable and we play worse football, but that midfield four today combined with the lack of coherence or work rate off the ball was diabolical.

And then we have the cherry on the cake. The post match "we was too open" bollocks.

He even said "they say we play better 442 with 4 attackers" - who is this they, and why the fuck would he let "them" influence his team selection ?

It's like he has to blame some mythical other for his obvious balls up.

 

[beats1]

I wrote a post here but seems to disappear from a couple of days because i came here after much looking to quote myself and say told you so, but anyway this is what I was going to say, mainly to Mr Pink he said these exact comments about 442 3 times before and then still went back to 442, which I dismissed the idea of harry learning lol

It all started when England got knocked out in the world cup Harry Redknapp criticised Capello saying that in Europe you cant play 442 as it leaves you too open, ironically he started Pav and Defoe against Young boys, after the match he was saying how playing 442 in europe leaves you open BUT THATS THE WAY WE PLAY, and when VDV came our midfield had more freedom and Bale, Lennon and modric where getting forward, he also mentioned now that 442 left us open as we had 6 attacking players

Then Crouch got injured and he started to play 442 in the league and thats when we started to tail off including the performance away at Blackpool which was shameful, then he mentioned how we only played 442 because people mentioned we play better in a 442(this was off glory glory) we continued to play 442 for the rest of the season despite us being shit and not scoring at all

Then this season we have been playing well when not playing 442 but as soon as draw harry has always reverted back to a 442 in the next game despite him taking the plaudits for going 4-3-3 or 4411, to be honest Harry has always said we shouldn't play 442 but always does go back to playing out of nostalgia, I think because people remember him as the guy who makes 442 work in the modern era his complaint for the last couple season has been we haven't got the strikers to play up top by themselves, which I always found very poor