Wenger

[dontcallme]

I don't understand where this Mourinho worship comes from at all..for me Sir Alex and Wenger are streets ahead of this guy. My gran could have won the premiership with that Chelsea team! (Plus United were in transition)

For me Sir Alex and Wenger are both to be admired a lot. Sir Alex has the drive which is just phenomenal and has to be admired, and in EPL terms is the best. But his record in europe should be better (as he freely admits).

Wenger is pretty myopic and come up with some ridiculous stuff in interviews but overall i can't help but admire the guy. The invincibles side was truly phenomenal and although i think he has lost it a bit in recent years (too many skillful but small players, not enough steel, not enough defensively imposing players/leaders etc.) he has still made a hell of a contribution to english football.

Could your gran have won 2 league titles, the UEFA Cup, The Champions League, the Portuguese Cup and the Portuguese Super Cup with FC Porto? He did everything is his first full season at Porto too.

For Chelsea yes he did spend mony but he was also told he had to make Chelsea the best team in the country straight away. 2 straight league title, an FA Cup and 2 league cups is still Chelseas best ever era. If it is so easy why have so many other talented managers failed?

He's currently on target to win his 2nd league title with Inter. Everywhere he has been he has been hugely successful and as a result he is respected as one of the best in the world.

The idea that he's nothing special because Chelsea gave him money to spend is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Coyboy]

please remove Wengers cock from your mouth

it's really quite sickening :shhh:

No it isn't, it's a valid opinion. What is sickening is your puerile reply.

 

[donny1013]

Could your gran have won 2 league titles, the UEFA Cup, The Champions League, the Portuguese Cup and the Portuguese Super Cup with FC Porto? He did everything is his first full season at Porto too.

For Chelsea yes he did spend mony but he was also told he had to make Chelsea the best team in the country straight away. 2 straight league title, an FA Cup and 2 league cups is still Chelseas best ever era. If it is so easy why have so many other talented managers failed?

He's currently on target to win his 2nd league title with Inter. Everywhere he has been he has been hugely successful and as a result he is respected as one of the best in the world.

The idea that he's nothing special because Chelsea gave him money to spend is beyond ridiculous.

Thanks for saving me the trouble of defending Mourinho. There is also his unbeaten home record which now stands at 131 games unbeaten as well as never losing back to back games. The guy is a managerial genius for me.

 

[Supersonic]

Isnt it something like 7 years since Mourinho lost a home game then?

 

[donny1013]

Yep February 2002 was his last defeat at Porto, unbelievable record whether he has been at big clubs or not.

 

[dontcallme]

Isnt it something like 7 years since Mourinho lost a home game then?

Yeah but he's spent money on players so he is obviosuly clueless :think:

 

[Coyboy]

He just lost to European powerhouses Barcelona and Charlton at Stamford Bridge.

 

[donny1013]

Mourinho's unbeaten home record is only in the league, last team he lost to in a league game at home was Beira-Mar Feb 23rd 2002 when he lost with Porto. The never losing back to back games record is really under threat tonight after the shock defeat to Catania on Friday night.

 

[Kendall]

He just lost to European powerhouses Barcelona and Charlton at Stamford Bridge.

Even the Charlton game was on pens I think...

 

[Rocksuperstar]

This is guy who, along with David Dein, chucked cash at a Belgian club so they could take advantage of a work permit loophole, laundering money through an african club/school thing. This is the guy who doesn't see anything that goes on on the pitch, will openly piss and whine about the way other teams treat his precious side, going on about how they are only kids but not once thinking that maybe the reason all these kids are being broken is cos he keeps fielding them before they are ready. This is the guy who got angry at Spurs because one of our guys was smart enough to play on when two of his ran into each other, like some hilarious keystone cops skit.

Whilst i can respect the ambition he has, when you take away a couple of key people from his backroom staff, you start to see the stitching coming apart.

Ferguson is a far superior manager - difference being, i think that even if he had a budget of a quid and was in charge of some Blue Square North side, Fergie would still get them promoted, Wenger i don't think would ever be able to match him.

 

[Coyboy]

Even the Charlton game was on pens I think...

For once, you think right.

 

[Kendall]

Cutting.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Edge.

 

[Vecellio]

Could your gran have won 2 league titles, the UEFA Cup, The Champions League, the Portuguese Cup and the Portuguese Super Cup with FC Porto? He did everything is his first full season at Porto too.

For Chelsea yes he did spend mony but he was also told he had to make Chelsea the best team in the country straight away. 2 straight league title, an FA Cup and 2 league cups is still Chelseas best ever era. If it is so easy why have so many other talented managers failed?

He's currently on target to win his 2nd league title with Inter. Everywhere he has been he has been hugely successful and as a result he is respected as one of the best in the world.

The idea that he's nothing special because Chelsea gave him money to spend is beyond ridiculous.

Calm down, i'm obviously exaggerating for effect.

But seriously, no-one really cares about any domestic portugese honours do they?? And the Champs league run and win was pretty flukey..(not just them mind..i say the same about the liverpool win over Milan).

Italian football....there's 1 good team at the moment...look at AC Milan vs United and they're second in the league there.

And the other managers at Chelsea haven't actually been top notch...Ranieri? Grant? Course he's better than them. Hiddink would have been quality if he'd have stayed of course.

So..no i still don't rate him anywhere near Fergie or Arsene.

 

[dontcallme]

Calm down, i'm obviously exaggerating for effect.

But seriously, no-one really cares about any domestic portugese honours do they?? And the Champs league run and win was pretty flukey..(not just them mind..i say the same about the liverpool win over Milan).

Italian football....there's 1 good team at the moment...look at AC Milan vs United and they're second in the league there.

And the other managers at Chelsea haven't actually been top notch...Ranieri? Grant? Course he's better than them. Hiddink would have been quality if he'd have stayed of course.

So..no i still don't rate him anywhere near Fergie or Arsene.

Who isn't calm? You made a jokey post saying your gran could have won the league with Chelsea and I joked back asking if she could have done any of the other things he has achieved. If you take that post as anything other than calm and light-hearted then I'm sorry about that.

I can understand the point about Mourinho not creating a dynasty like SAF and Wenger have. But your attempts at downplaying his other achievements as flukes is completely ridiculous.

 

[donny1013]

Had it not been for the fallout with Roman and Kenyon then I'm sure Jose would have created a dynasty at Chelski, Arsene never managed back to back titles, mourinho did that in his first 2 seasons. If he goes to Spain and wins the league there then he will be the first coach in history to win league titles in England, Italy and Spain. Porto beat good sides to win the CL but did get lucky having to only play Monaco in the final. He needs more CL's under his belt to go down as one of the best but he was on of the best coach's as well as personalities the EPL has seen and the league misses a character like him

 

[dontcallme]

Had it not been for the fallout with Roman and Kenyon then I'm sure Jose would have created a dynasty at Chelski, Arsene never managed back to back titles, mourinho did that in his first 2 seasons. If he goes to Spain and wins the league there then he will be the first coach in history to win league titles in England, Italy and Spain. Porto beat good sides to win the CL but did get lucky having to only play Monaco in the final. He needs more CL's under his belt to go down as one of the best but he was on of the best coach's as well as personalities the EPL has seen and the league misses a character like him

Yeah all right, chill out :wink:

 

[mil1lion]

I think Mourinho is tactically a top class manager. Not so much a coach, but when it comes to tactical play he is one of the best. He has a great record against the top teams. His home record is phenominal. Although i'm not a big fan of his style of football, it is very successful. I guess tonight we'll see once again just how good he is. On paper, Chelsea should edge the tie. But if Inter progress, Mourinho will deserve the plaudits.

 

[Vecellio]

Who isn't calm? You made a jokey post saying your gran could have won the league with Chelsea and I joked back asking if she could have done any of the other things he has achieved. If you take that post as anything other than calm and light-hearted then I'm sorry about that.

I can understand the point about Mourinho not creating a dynasty like SAF and Wenger have. But your attempts at downplaying his other achievements as flukes is completely ridiculous.

I only actually called one of them a fluke...the rest i'm just saying needs to be put into context.
It's not 'beyond ridiculous' to make a note of these things and say that he isn't up there with the great managers just yet, thanks.

'The idea that he's nothing special because Chelsea gave him money to spend is beyond ridiculous.'
I never said that.

And you're the one that keeps saying 'beyond ridiculous' whilst telling me you're perfectly calm

Coaches like Del Bosque and Ancelotti are other coaches that are better imo, just not half as good at self-promotion.

Anyway, thread derail so i'll cease and desist.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Wenger:
Overall -
Games: 1,213
W: 655
D: 272
L: 292
Win %: 54%

Prem -
Games: 777
W: 454
D: 189
L: 140
Win %: 58.43%

Mourinho:
Overall -
Games: 442
W: 296
D: 95
L: 51
Win %: 66.97%

Prem -
Games: 185
W: 131
D: 36
L: 18
Win %: 70.81%