Match Threads West Ham vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 24

[spud]

Conclusive proof, if any were needed, that although West Ham aren't very good, they are still better than us. We have good players and a bad team.

Same shit, different day.

Audere est facere.

 

[Serpico]

Its been many years where the team has promised so much. The team has failed to deliver success season after season. Now we have hit the buffers. Whether Jose or the players are to blame or just the natural end, we’ve run out of rails. The players need to understand this and go out on a high. Beat City and win in Europe. Didn’t Chelsea do this winning the CL and finishing around 8th?

 

[GioW]

Our defence is not remotely good enough to win the Europa League.

Well yeah , I mean, I agree.

 

[sebo_sek]

Survival - fuck me. Call me crazy, but I'm hoping for a bit more than that!!

Clearly you didn't understand what I meant. Not league survival, just plain old existencial survival.

 

[TonyK]

Clearly you didn't understand what I meant. Not league survival, just plain old existencial survival.

No, I understood perfectly Sebo.

 

[Indisguise]

The thing is, he HAS deviated from what many have labelled his "brand of Football." We are currently more attacking and have greater possession against the teams we are expected to. The only deviation from this has been City, and anyone in their right mind wouldn't expect us to dominate possession against them.

The results have been mixed, but he's got us more front foot.

We have a run of very winnable games coming up, hopefully providing much needed points and, more importantly, much needed confidence.

We need to keep our powder dry here. If we don't see an improvement then yes, his position would likely be untenable.

There's a lot of truth in what you've said but we've also seen him take quite a few steps backwards as well and cling on to his old ways. Like a lot of people at the moment, I don't like the managerial merry-go-round either so, yes, if he can win those games and make the necessary improvements then he should be allowed to turn it around and stay in the job. I honestly would like to see him do it, but he needs to get us back to being competitive fairly soon and consistently.

 

[sebo_sek]

No, I understood perfectly Sebo.

Then understand this. In Levy we have a chairman who is capable of steering us through these very murky waters. As a club we have had zero stadium income for close to a year now. And not just Spurs football, but NFL, concerts and other events. That's 6 million per home game x 19. NFL x 2, several concerts a year. We are talking serious bucks. And without Enic and Levy's passion none of that would have materialised. Trophies are soo important, I know. But THFC is more than that. We are a shining example of how to GRADUALLY BUILD success. And it's coming.

 

[muppetman]

First time a post has ever compelled me to whip out Microsoft fucking Excel. Upward trajectory in dotted blue through the middle there. View attachment 83002

This has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on here - bravo Sir!

 

[TonyK]

Then understand this. In Levy we have a chairman who is capable of steering us through these very murky waters. As a club we have had zero stadium income for close to a year now. And not just Spurs football, but NFL, concerts and other events. That's 6 million per home game x 19. NFL x 2, several concerts a year. We are talking serious bucks. And without Enic and Levy's passion none of that would have materialised. Trophies are soo important, I know. But THFC is more than that. We are a shining example of how to GRADUALLY BUILD success. And it's coming.

So how long do you give it then Sebo? Surely over 20 years with little to no success is long enough. Ten managers down. If I went through managers in my workplace like Levy does, then I'd have been fired long ago. If Levy is not capable of providing the right tools for a manager to do his job properly and successfully, then it would be right for Levy to consider his own position.

 

[TonyK]

This has to be one of the best posts I've ever seen on here - bravo Sir!

Your username is entirely appropriate!!

 

[sebo_sek]

So how long do you give it then Sebo? Surely over 20 years with little to no success is long enough. Ten managers down. If I went through managers in my workplace like Levy does, then I'd have been fired long ago. If Levy is not capable of providing the right tools for a manager to do his job properly and successfully, then it would be right for Levy to consider his own position.

Hey, I'm in this for the ride. I couldn't care less. If we win something, great, if not, we don't. I love the banter with my students and they really stick it to me.

 

[muppetman]

Your username is entirely appropriate!!

Thank you.

 

[archiewasking]

Seriously concerned about Hojbjerg. Keeps going forward and leaving the defence exposed. Someone needs to tell him to stay back and help them. And not give away stupid penalties. We need him to do the defensive midfield role we bought him for.

 

[mickman]

Dare I suggest that we’ve been missing Sissoko!?
Hasn’t our terrible run of form coincided with dropping him and playing Ndombele deeper?
It seems to me that Moussa brings a different dynamic to our play. He facilitates quick transitions and creates space for the other attackers to exploit.
He reminds me of a Tight End in American football. They tend to be guys who are not fast enough to be a wide receiver, not agile enough to be a running back and not strong enough in the tackle to be a genuine lineman. BUT, having a rare mixture of these qualities, they fulfill one of the most important roles in the side. Just watch this years Super Bowl to see how getting the tight end going changes the whole dynamic of the attack. They create space for the flair players.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

We’ve been through 10 different managers under Levy. Ten!! So if we sack Jose and get someone else in, what exactly will be any different? Just another manager being hung out to dry by the current owners. Sure, we are probably slightly better off than we were in the nineties, but if that is good enough for you then fuck off and support West Ham!! ENIC are the problem and until they are gone we are going nowhere!! Fact.

We should never have hired him because the way he plays football isn't the Spurs way. The contrast to Poch is there for all to see. From one of the most attacking teams (if you take out Poch's last 9 months) to one of the least who relies on moments of brilliance from Kane and Son. It's like having George Graham in charge again, yeah he might win us the League Cup but the football is fucking dreadful to watch. We all knew it was a 3 year run at best because it always goes tits up for him after that. We've managed to do it under 18 months. Only Spurs.

 

[fecka]

To anyone saying that we deserved to win on the basis that we had 70% possession and 20 shots, despite those 20 shots we had an xG of 0,77 which basically tells us that we failed to create any big chances while west ham had an xG of 1.09. They had a game plan they utilized very well and Moyes completely did a Mourinho on us.
They obviously know that we struggle with possession and creating chances when not countering so they just sat back in two banks of four to soak up pressure and counter and it worked really well.
While I can understand that some think that we deserved more from the game, I don't as while we had a lot of possession we did almost nothing with it except a bunch of hopeful shots.
Except for the final 10-15 minutes or so West ham never really looked bothered by us and our only goal was basically a fluke (cresswell individual error) from absolutely nothing.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Its been many years where the team has promised so much. The team has failed to deliver success season after season. Now we have hit the buffers. Whether Jose or the players are to blame or just the natural end, we’ve run out of rails. The players need to understand this and go out on a high. Beat City and win in Europe. Didn’t Chelsea do this winning the CL and finishing around 8th?

Yes they did..... after sacking their manager mid season.

 

[Noryid]

Full of woodworm?

In ref. to Pochettino's earlier statement

 

[TonyK]

We should never have hired him because the way he plays football isn't the Spurs way. The contrast to Poch is there for all to see. From one of the most attacking teams (if you take out Poch's last 9 months) to one of the least who relies on moments of brilliance from Kane and Son. It's like having George Graham in charge again, yeah he might win us the League Cup but the football is fucking dreadful to watch. We all knew it was a 3 year run at best because it always goes tits up for him after that. We've managed to do it under 18 months. Only Spurs.

We had a manager who played the game in the right way. He was also hung out to dry by his boss. Despite warning that the squad needed a complete overhaul, he was then given two straight transfer windows without a single player being bought. Zero backing. Nothing!! It doesn’t matter who the manager is or the brand of football they play, the outcome will always be the same with Levy pulling the strings!

 

[DiamondLites]

Just seen the 2nd goal again on MOTD and the lack of effort from Doherty is shocking, just trotting back. It was his pub league technique that gave the ball away to begin with, he then gets bullied by Lingard of all people and then he saunters back. If he’d busted a gut to get back he’d of been there with Fornals and therefore where lingard scores