There’s lots to agree with here, especially when you consider the work done with the team last season.
Yes, I get that.
Firstly, act like a dick all you want, don't bother me.
Thank you for the measured response, quite refreshing actually.
No worries friend, conversation is vital for overstanding and it seems society is lacking in this element today
I get where you're coming from, but I've gone over this before, entertainment is subjective really. I was entertained by our previous performances where we won with low possession/attempts in the game, others weren't. I don't and won't belittle that desire, as different people desire different things. I argued my points from my perspective.
What I found dumbfounding was how we went from a well drilled defensive unit to a shambles in a matter of weeks. The previous performances clearly showed that the team could function very effectively defensively, but they just stopped doing it, which was why I felt the players were more culpable than the manager.
Absolutely agree, i have friends who love watching Simeone's athletico, for me its a rather unenjoyable 90 minutes, but were all different with different tastes and thats what makes football an enjoyable sport on the microlevel and the world enjoyable on the macro. No one person is correct but we should all respect others views and values as important as our own. Me being a striker i've always wanted plenty of chances in a game, quite selfishly may i add, so i like seeing that reflected when my team plays at the weekend. Thats where i have an agenda and i'm not afraid to admit it, although as above still aware that just because i have an agenda it definitely does not make me right.
I don't think we looked bad at the beginning of the season but i still feel that other teams were creating chances and we rode our luck a little bit. We have since collapsed and responsibility could reasonably be at the players feet, however i feel it is always at the manager to correct a sinking ship and Jose has too often (IMO) tinkered with our back line and not allowed players (whomever he chooses) to settle and get a consistent run of games together to build that stability from the back up. For me all too often players made a mistake and then found themselves out of the team for the next game or so only for the player who came in for them to do the same and the cycle be continued. As a footballer that gives little confidence which is enormous when playing high level football. It also doesn't allow for a solid foundation to be built between 4 players who play consistently with each other learning their strengths and weaknesses along the way, sacrificing short term for long term results. Something im not sure i can ever find Jose having done. He is kind of an instantaneous man if that makes sense. Thats why i hold him responsible in this regard.
All of that though is irrelevant to the questions I put in my first post on here though. Those who bemoaned our lack of attacking intent are still screaming from the rooftops at JM even though he's doing exactly what they've asked for. Don't get me wrong, I know how stats can be used to paint whatever picture you want, but more than a few on here have stated that we were profligate in front of goal and should have had at least 3 ourselves, the xG stat seems to back this up. It also appears that their goals came from individual errors again, so you can see why I'm confused as to why the manager's head is once again being called for when it seems it is once again certain players who are culpable. Not just defensively, but offensively as well, if I'm reading things here correctly.
Yeah i agree, football is a reactionary game. Again from my perspective (i am very much of the opinion jose needs to go and had serious concerns when he was appointed manager in the first place so please forgive me i may be a little biased) i worry as i have never seen him as an attacking manager. Jose has his blueprint of his own game and that has been apparent through most of his tenures. I dont like his style but i respect that he has had success with it. As said in my previous post i just dont believe (i could be wrong and would be happy to be proved wrong and won't bemoan him if he is given to the end of the season to prove himself) that he has evolved the way the game has and he can mix defence and attack successfully. Especially at a club with our budgeting issues and we were never a club who would be able to just freely pick up the players he desired. There are probably people who think like me but over the 18 months of his tenure i dont feel there has been enough attacking intent and im growing weary of watching us because i find it tedious. Today was a bit better but i have concerns that to do so he has had to go back on himself and bring two players out of the dark to hopefully conjure up some magic and grab a result for us (Bale and Dele), this also raises concerns from my point of view. I can only see the individual errors becoming more frequent under his management as pressure builds as there has been no slowing up of them yet over the last few months and looking at previous tenures normally when things get bad under Jose for some reason he rarely rights an already sinking ship. Again just my perspective.
As I said, I can't comment on how we played, not having seen the game, but it appears to me that the team were set up to give them the best chance of winning, they've created enough decent chances to win, but they haven't taken them. Conversely, WH had 3 shots in the 1st half and 1 in the second. All were on target and 2 went in, both from player errors.
Yeah today he gets a by from me, not that it means anything haha, i still want him gone but thats maybe my agenda. Slight improvement but still 40 minutes without any chances says alot to me. I dont think we have as bad a squad as made out. Definitely needs a rebuild but individually i feel players are regressing and im not sure i can name one player that i feel has definitely improved under Jose (maybe Kane but to me hes playing in a different role which i dont particularly like him in) which is worrying as we are never going to be able to afford a complete squad. Football at the end of the day is a result based game, more people are going to come out the woodwork as results continue to go against us and the manager is always going to recieve the lions share of the blame. Rightly or wrongly depends on how you view the football in the first place i guess.
I'm struggling to see how this can be laid at the manager's door. He's responsible for setting them up to give them the best chance of winning, it appears that setup was correct. The players are responsible for making the setup work, which they clearly haven't.
My reasons for frustration from today would be -
Continuous tinkering of back line.
Bale and Dele been drafted out of the darkness to try help steady the ship
First half same old Jose
Doherty sub.
Player management - Son is playing like he is exhausted.
We're still struggling playing vertical football (for me that doesn't consist of long ball)
Definitely happy to see the next game and see what happens although equally and probably more so would be happy if Jose is told this isn't the right place for him. This goes from what ive seen previously and what i think i know of Jose. Hopefully i may be proved wrong and he can revitalise and evolve. Who knows. If by the end of the season were still on this ship then i personally 100% want him gne unless there is massive changes to what is happen. He has a big hill to climb in my eyes in many different ways too.
I think we can confidently identify which of the two players had that effect (clue- he’s not here anymore)
Full of woodworm?
Then why does Jose have to consistently keep making half time changes?
Spot on, we are always changing our plans, I dont remember the last time we controlled a game.
