What Our Opponents' Fans Are Saying About Us 23/24

[nicdic]

Absolutely spot on. It’s going to be one of the hardest games of the season. They are riding high from last season and play good football. We are just starting out, and as long as we make a great impression of ourselves I’m happy to continue the good football.

If we play to our strengths there is no reason we cannot beat them, but to expect to beat them is something our fans shouldn’t be doing.

I’d take a draw right now if it was offered to me.

They are riding high from last season, but they are not playing good football. If we were to just look at the style and fluidity of football this season, they've dropped off from last year. Embedding Rice and Havertz into their midfield has made things difficult for them, and it's affected them in both directions.

I'm not going into the game expecting to beat them. I'm going into the game expecting us to look to go toe-to-toe with them, and excited to see how we fare.

Yeah this. We’ve demonstrably had almost the easiest start to the season (Arsenal not far behind). Plus when we played Man U the expectations weren’t high - we’d drawn the first game and were very obviously a work in progress. Now the excitement is through the roof…but we’re still a work in progress.

And it feels like we’ve been here many times before. How often in recent years have we gone to the Emirates on a high and been brought back down to earth, often losing players to injury beforehand or having a disastrous start to the game? We did just nearly lose at home to Sheffield United.

On the other hand…we’ll have four awkward away games out of the way after this week. The Arse, Brentford away then two relegation candidates. Arsenal will have played four games at home. And every month I look at our schedule in comparison to the teams around us and think - thank fuck we’re not in Europe. This year anyway.

I think the stats show that Chelsea have had the easiest start, then us, then City then Arsenal. I heard that on maybe The View from the Lane podcast, not exactly sure how that has been worked out. If you use the FPL's rudimentary fixture difficulty score, then actually of the "Top 6" teams Arsenal had the easiest, followed by us and Chelsea, though that doesn't take into any consideration home and away fixtures, just the team.

 

[ARMASPUR]

Fair play to you guys who won't lose their shit if we lose, I will definitely lose my shit for at least a couple of days after if the worst happens. I am in the 'would take a draw right now' camp.

 

[HildoSpur]

Totally a free hit for Ange on Sunday really - as long as we put on a good performance and keep playing the way we have been, even if the result doesn't go our way I'll not be getting too upset about it. If however we do actually manage to win it, I'll go mental and proclaim Ange the greatest Spurs manager for decades.

 

[Locotoro]

Arsenal mania (I feel dirty for going on that site)

Sp**s have started the season well but it's easy to forget that Sp**s had a very good start to last season too. Indeed, Sp**s were in the top 4 for at least half of last season (up until January IIRC). What's been the difference is that they are playing a much more expansive style of football rather than the dour ****e Conte produced week in, week out.

I sincerely pray we are still laughing at them next Saturday after the game.

Expressions is a legend (after his Angels rendition)

More impressive win than ours you say? You think United will easily press us so high and play as openly as they did against Sp**s?

No, United and most teams won’t do that, because they know that 6/10 right now Arsenal is still too much of a problem to open your defensive lines for.

Of course Sp**s look very good and will cause many teams, including us, problems. And they deserve all the credit they are receiving right now. And can cause us problems at the Emirates.

But know this, if we execute our plans on the day, we will win the game. We’ve faced many attacking and well organised teams in recent seasons and dealt with them adequately, including Brighton, Newcastle, Aston Villa, Brentford, Liverpool even United with their defend deep and counter attacks.

Also, be sure that no player starting next match day will be taking anyone lightly.

Sp**s fans are really the scvm of the earth. Apparently they racially abused Sheffield keeper in yesterday's game. What a disgusting club. I swear if we don't beat them well next week

We got racist fans on AM who call me a self hating white guy, play the white supremacist Ace in the hole of calling me a reverse racist, throw out go eat hummus slurs, say I can’t complain about racist abuse because i have money; and of course white bigots in America let me be rich so i got no right to complain, and root for and throw white nationalist terrorist Trump in my face. One of these posters throwing racist abuse at me is a woke Swedish leftist. All because i trash an imminently deserving fraud manager. My favorite racist slur was saying i can’t complain because i am white passing and should be happy. Jeez what a compliment?

Sp.rs are deluded dopes and i am sure they have racist fans. But so do we.

Mik backers hit me with racial abuse because i expose tgem as tge fangirls they are abd their manager

They’ll get dealt with at the Emirates as usual.

As open as Arsenal under Emery.

Interesting one..

...You may have watched Ange for 20 years but must have missed the last few years. When he went into Europe with Celtic the team were undone because the players weren't at the quality to convert the high number of chances they created. In his first EL season Celtic ranked in the top 5 for goals scored but bottom for goals conceded. With better players they would have conceded less and scored more. In the CL the talent gap was wider. Yet Celtic still regularly created the chances and should have scored more goals and taken leads. Unfortunately they lacked the quality to convert those chances and got undone defensively because the gap in quality.

In the PL the gap from Sp**s to City, Liverpool and ourselves is much closer to the gap between Celtic and Real Madrid. They've already beaten one of last season's too four so I'm not sure how you can say they'll comfortably get beaten. The evidence infront of you based on current results and past performances suggests the complete opposite.

 

[leffe186]

… I think the stats show that Chelsea have had the easiest start, then us, then City then Arsenal. I heard that on maybe The View from the Lane podcast, not exactly sure how that has been worked out. If you use the FPL's rudimentary fixture difficulty score, then actually of the "Top 6" teams Arsenal had the easiest, followed by us and Chelsea, though that doesn't take into any consideration home and away fixtures, just the team.

Yeah that’s weird, because Arsenal have played three home games versus our two.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Totally a free hit for Ange on Sunday really - as long as we put on a good performance and keep playing the way we have been, even if the result doesn't go our way I'll not be getting too upset about it. If however we do actually manage to win it, I'll go mental and proclaim Ange the greatest Spurs manager for decades.

Not quite a free hit, with 'Pool the next game, two losses would be really painful. Need something from those two.

 

[aliyid]

I think the stats show that Chelsea have had the easiest start, then us, then City then Arsenal. I heard that on maybe The View from the Lane podcast, not exactly sure how that has been worked out. If you use the FPL's rudimentary fixture difficulty score, then actually of the "Top 6" teams Arsenal had the easiest, followed by us and Chelsea, though that doesn't take into any consideration home and away fixtures, just the team.

The age old adage of you can only beat who's put in front of you, we may have had an easier start on paper but we've secured the points. Personally I would argue that you don't want to play two promoted teams in your first 5 fixtures as that's generally when they over-perform on the big stage but we've got maximum return from both so can't complain.

I would also argue that Burnley have had a crazy opening fixture list so not sure how they're considered to have had an 'easier' start:

• Man City
• Villa
• Spurs
• Forrest
• Man Utd
• Newcastle
• Chelsea

 

[nicdic]

The age old adage of you can only beat who's put in front of you, we may have had an easier start on paper but we've secured the points. Personally I would argue that you don't want to play two promoted teams in your first 5 fixtures as that's generally when they over-perform on the big stage but we've got maximum return from both so can't complain.

I would also argue that Burnley have had a crazy opening fixture list so not sure how they're considered to have had an 'easier' start:

• Man City
• Villa
• Spurs
• Forrest
• Man Utd
• Newcastle
• Chelsea

Ah yeah it was Opta, thanks. That also doesn't look like they are taking into account where the games are played. It's probably just been done by where the teams finished last season. Brentford should rank more difficult away than home for example.

 

[easley91]

Fair play to you guys who won't lose their shit if we lose, I will definitely lose my shit for at least a couple of days after if the worst happens. I am in the 'would take a draw right now' camp.

If we lose, it'll be how we lost that dictates how I feel. If we played well then I'm good, but if we crumble it's a completely different story.

 

[razor1981]

I would also argue that Burnley have had a crazy opening fixture list so not sure how they're considered to have had an 'easier' start:

• Man City
• Villa
• Spurs
• Forrest
• Man Utd
• Newcastle
• Chelsea

It is based on first 5 fixtures only, and Burnley's first 5 should have been:

• Man City
• Luton
• Villa
• Spurs
• Forest

Still doesn't look 'easy', but maybe explains why they're in the middle rather than nearer the top of that list.

 

[RogerTCB]

Not quite a free hit, with 'Pool the next game, two losses would be really painful. Need something from those two.

It would be really painful for my sense of excitement, and a point (or 6) is needed to maintain my increasing detachment from reality. However, in reality, it is very early days in the new system and this system is one where the right teams might just score a hat-full against us. I'd still expect a massacre or two over the first half of this season. Arse & Pool are two of the four teams I'd be most worried might dish that out.

 

[IfiHadTheWings]

Playing the nomads is never a free hit, even when we were gash in the late 90's early 2000s

i just want to see us get stuck in to them and let them know we are there.

COYS

 

[Stamford]

People said Arsenal had an easy start last season then they beat Liverpool and people started talking about the title. If we managed to win here the momentum would be huge

 

[cozzo]

People said Arsenal had an easy start last season then they beat Liverpool and people started talking about the title. If we managed to win here the momentum would be huge

No point beating Arsenal and then losing to Liverpool in the next game

 

[The Scarecrow]

The age old adage of you can only beat who's put in front of you, we may have had an easier start on paper but we've secured the points. Personally I would argue that you don't want to play two promoted teams in your first 5 fixtures as that's generally when they over-perform on the big stage but we've got maximum return from both so can't complain.

I would also argue that Burnley have had a crazy opening fixture list so not sure how they're considered to have had an 'easier' start:

• Man City
• Villa
• Spurs
• Forrest
• Man Utd
• Newcastle
• Chelsea

Replacing Leicester with Burnley and Leeds with Sheffield United, we've taken 5 points more from those fixtures this season. The easy games aren't always easy.

 

[Col_M]

stats are a pointer but they cant really help predict the impact of a new player/manager or the impact of a poor result. If we lose to Arsenal, is it because They've improved more, because we've got worse, because the weather played a part, because nothing has changed. Treat them as indicators.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

No point beating Arsenal and then losing to Liverpool in the next game

Isn't there? I'd take 3 points over the next two games personally.

It would be a shame to lose Liverpool, for sure, but I think 2 points over the next two games wouldn't be the end of the world.

So with that in mind, 3 would be better, and a win away at Arsenal would be mega

 

[ernie78]

It would be really painful for my sense of excitement, and a point (or 6) is needed to maintain my increasing detachment from reality. However, in reality, it is very early days in the new system and this system is one where the right teams might just score a hat-full against us. I'd still expect a massacre or two over the first half of this season. Arse & Pool are two of the four teams I'd be most worried might dish that out.

Whilst I agree that we are at risk with our style of play, Liverpool should have been 3 down (at least) against wolves in the first half. Wolves destroyed them first half.
We aren’t the only team in the top 4 with a weakness and they will have to worry about us exploiting them as much as we worry about them turning us over.

 

[Japhet]

We're so much better matched to them this year both in available players and playing style than we were last year. Conte handed them results on a plate. Comments from their fans seem to be very dismissive of us which suits me just fine. You could come up with all sorts of legitimate variations of a 'combined XI' which says it all really.

 

[Locotoro]

No point beating Arsenal and then losing to Liverpool in the next game

One game at a time.

After years of dull and ineffective football I'm just looking forward to each and every match and seeing how Ange tweaks his team's. The guy is a tactical genius and his in game management is the best I've see at Spurs for a very long time

But let's not forget this is the "what opponents are saying about us" thread.