What our opponents' fans are saying

[Spurslove]

This is my favourite - it illustrates the double standards being applied.

We may finish comfortably behind them. There again, LvG may be a total shit-storm, whereas our hugely underestimated (IMHO) squad may take to Poch and his ways like fish to water. It's an unknown.

One poor season...Spurs and Liverpool fans all giddy: Well, er, yeah, but we had a poor season last season, as well, or didn't anyone notice. We were, effectively, bedding in a whole new team, and switched mid-season from a head coach who seemingly outlawed forward momentum to one who outlawed even the rudiments of dressing-room cohesion (and still finished on 69 points and comfortably above United).

Rather perversely, I agree about Liverpool - they finished above us for the first season in five, they are the fifth best financed club in the EPL, almost all the factors allowing them to flourish last season have now disappeared, and they have made a load of potentially great/potentially not so great signings, yet their own and most other fans are just lazily assuming that is them nailed on for the top four now for an eternity. The funniest thing I have seen recently was a quote from Brendan Rodgers about using last season's failure to their benefit this season - er, Brentan, last year was a total beyond expectations punching-way-way-above-your-weight success. Last season:

Chelsea fans are ready to accept United as a force this season! Wow...allow me to jettison my reasoning faculties with undue haste I don't believe that how a team performs on the pitch is in any way, shape or form determined by the estimation opposition fans have of them, actually. And I don't know that United will have a poor season. Just recognising that there is potential for them to have a great season or a not so great one. I don't like making such caste-iron predictions - unlike the United fans (and quite a few Spurs ones) who are stating emphatically that we cannot finish above sixth

So, us and Liverpool (imagine being lumped in with them...I feel dirty) are crowing about being better than United because we finished above them once in the EPL (top flight did begin before Sky, no matter what the propaganda says). Well, I have never said that, and I don't believe many Spurs fans have, either...most seem convinced that United will be an unstoppable steam-roller again, a steam-roller we have zero hope of finishing above. So, no. But, it seems somewhat ironic that most United fans are pencilling Liverpool in for a top five finish and writing us off, even though last season was the first in five that they have finished above us. Pot-Kettle! As stated elsewhere, what I personally believe is that there are a huge number of unknowns which mean I would say the Goons, United, Liverpool, Us and Everton are in a five way fight over 3rd to 7th. These unknowns could mostly work in our favour, or against, and the same applies to the others. And I believe that is about as definite as you will find any spurs fan being.

All because Moyes screwed United over last season! Really? Now I know this may belong in the Unpopular Opinions thread, but I actually think it is more the opposite way around. Succeeding Beetroot Head was always going to be a poisoned chalice, so, to me, Moyes is looking more and more like a fall-guy (albeit a very handsomely rewarded one), and if the squad he inherited was so good, why he LvG being given triple figures of millions to overhaul it while reportedly preparing to dump half their squad? Moyes fault, or the United board/Bacon Face for allowing a sub-standard (by their recent levels) squad to be prepared for Whisky-Face's successor?

It's all double standards, all assuming that the lowest common denominator will apply to Spurs while the highest will apply to our rivals.

But, as said above, I am actually happy that we are being underestimated

Yes, me too, very much so. We are an unknown quantity and we have a fantastic young manager on board with new, fresh and aggressive ideas. It's going to be a fascinating season, this one.

 

[kungfugrip]

If their team is so good, why is it that the last time they beat us 'Arry was our manager?

If we sign Musacchio, then our defense is better in every position except LB. De Gea > Lloris? Smalling > Musacchio? Evans = Vertonghen? Carrick > Schneiderlin? WTF?!?! No chance.

Which defence do you think will ship more goals this season. I have a fair idea...........

Even with their crap season last year they conceded 43 goals.....thats 8 fewer than us in our second best ever Prem league season.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Which defence do you think will ship more goals this season. I have a fair idea...........

Even with their crap season last year they conceded 43 goals.....thats 8 fewer than us in our second best ever Prem league season.

Our defence this season could be better than theirs though if we don't ship about 20 goals in 3 or four games. We can't pretend it didn't happen but the stats are a bit scewed.

 

[jurgen]

They sound like quite typical Utd fans, especially if southern, and after a couple of beers. A lot of the time there is a 'pat on the head' attitude towards us of, "I like Spurs, but you're doing this and this wrong" etc. and a propensity to talk about football as if supporting a successful team confers a higher level of understanding of the game, including a forensic knowledge every other team they don't support.. hence we now know Lamela will never be world class! It's a shame, I was hoping he'd have a decent career, someone please let the lad down gently..

 

[StartingPrice]

They sound like quite typical Utd fans, especially if southern, and after a couple of beers. A lot of the time there is a 'pat on the head' attitude towards us of, "I like Spurs, but you're doing this and this wrong" etc. and a propensity to talk about football as if supporting a successful team confers a higher level of understanding of the game, including a forensic knowledge every other team they don't support.. hence we now know Lamela will never be world class! It's a shame, I was hoping he'd have a decent career, someone please let the lad down gently..

Ain't that the truth. Poor Lamela, perhaps we could get him into coaching

 

[goughie1966]

I hate Utd. Not as much as Chelsea or Arsenal, but they come a close third. That's why I'm ok if City clean up (if we don't ). Full of glory hunter fans living in the south. I worked with one for years and he was so typical of a Utd fan. He'd never been to Old Trafford ffs! Even I've managed to do that. Plastic supporters, the fucking lot of them.

.

 

[double0]

Tbh ManU assessment on our players ain't far off and imo we Spurs fans tend to overrate some of our own players ie Vertonghen.

De Gea vs Lloris is the closest match otherwise United have the better players bar Smailing.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Some of the comments from Red Cafe not already posted:



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- Be my guest.

LOL

Townsend a pub league player bit harsh.

I agree with most of the assessment except about capoue, and walker.
Townsend isnt very good right now but I still feel that with right coaching, some luck, some confidence, the stars aligning and if the horse head nebula shines extra bright then he could be really top class

 

[riggi]

utd fans are ussually quite fair with their comments.

 

[tototoner]

Here's what United think of us. Considering the season they've just had, their arrogance is galling.
http://www.redcafe.net/threads/our-rivals-squad-next-year-tottenham-hotspur.394289/

surprised they even acknowledged us with a thread, most pundits and other fans don't give us a hope of top 4 this season

cannot argue with most of their comments either

 

[Strikeb4ck]

I think it's quite ridiculous that United fans are saying Dembele isn't good enough when he's tore their team apart singlehandedly on more than one occasion.

If he plays up to his capability, Dembele can be one of the best CMs in the league. Just hasn't quite looked as sharp since the injury streak.

 

[Flashspur]

its all conjecture innit....it all gets played out on the pitch COYS

 

[beats1]

Most of that is pretty reasonable, certainly not worthy of raucous mocking.

-There isn't anyone that United should be particularly arsed about signing from us - maybe Vertonghen and one of our ball-winning central midfielders (Dembele or Sandro?) to complement Herrera's technical qualities, but our best players all play in positions they already have covered - Eriksen/Mata, Adebayor/Van Persie, Lloris/De Gea. It's completely understandable that a United fan would look at our squad and not be particularly excited about potential signings. Carrick and Berbatov were signings they desperately needed, we don't have anyone of the highest quality in the areas where they are weak (centre back and central midfield) - Vertonghen, Dembele and Sandro would all play regularly I'm sure, but this is Manchester United we're talking about and they have millions to spend; I would fully expect them to be looking at a higher calibre of player, Champions League or no Champions League.

-Dawson ahead of Vertonghen is baffling, but he's right that Vertonghen is no less prone to a brainfart than our captain.

-Mata is definitely one of the best number 10s in the world. Rodriguez looks a superstar but he's not done it in one of the top leagues yet, he's certainly better than any of the others mentioned barring Silva and I can't think of any other obvious candidates off the top of my head. Gotze is exceptionally talented but hasn't actually done it at the highest level consistently yet (I appreciate that sounds stupid when he's just scored the winner in the World Cup final, but he's yet to carve out a consistent role with Bayern or Germany, and is currently seen as 'something different' to try from the bench for club and country).

-With the exception of Lloris we don't have a world-class player IMO, at least not by my definition (it's such a vague, unspecific phrase that it's almost pointless discussing whether players are or aren't, because everyone's definition is different). Eriksen and Lamela could potentially be good enough to play for any team in the world, Lloris is the only one that already could.

-Our squad is pretty average. A more positive spin on it would be 'well-balanced' - we don't have a Bale or a Modric any more, players that would spark the interest of the world's best clubs, but nor do we have many squad players who are clearly not good enough.

I would say that the amount of errors he makes at CB is alot lower then the plonker we saw at LB

As for Mata being the best one of the no. 10 in the world,

he is behind
Silva
Iniesta
Koke
Thiago
for spain as the no. 10 as well as being on par with Carzola, then you include the other no. 10's. I don't think you can make the case that he is one of the best in the world. But he is one of the best in the league

 

[beats1]

Tbh ManU assessment on our players ain't far off and imo we Spurs fans tend to overrate some of our own players ie Vertonghen.

De Gea vs Lloris is the closest match otherwise United have the better players bar Smailing.

Are you forgetting Ashley Young, Rafeal, Valencia, Jones, Cleverly,

Bar Van Persie and Mata I say we are pretty even but Lloris in form is much better than De Gea. Lloris was the best keeper in the league before his head injury

De Gea

Jones Smalling Evans

Young --- Fletcher -- Herrera --- Shaw

Mata

RVP --- Rooney​

Front 3 will be interesting and is great but behind that and they are very suspect at the back as they have a team that hasn't got any experience of a back 3. The premier league also has alot of fast players which will attack that back 3 with pace

 

[ultimateloner]

I think there's no doubt Man Utd is a better squad than ours especially in the starting 11. We don't have a player close to Rooney/RVP quality. The only players who we have that can start for them are LLoris/Vert/Eriksen.

 

[Shadydan]

I would say that the amount of errors he makes at CB is alot lower then the plonker we saw at LB

As for Mata being the best one of the no. 10 in the world,

he is behind
Silva
Iniesta
Koke
Thiago
for spain as the no. 10 as well as being on par with Carzola, then you include the other no. 10's. I don't think you can make the case that he is one of the best in the world. But he is one of the best in the league

Koke, Iniesta or Thiago aren't no10's, Silva is but I wouldn't say he's indefinitely better than Mata same for Carzola who is rarely played in that role these days anyway.

 

[Shanks]

Moving onwards, looking at our next opponents, I found this little gem:

Bubbles about 12 hours ago
I cannot believe that there is any negativity about beating the Spuds on here shame on those of you that showed yourself up by posting that in front of a scum supporter. When I look at the fixture list and think first of all how will we reach 40 points I immediately put 3 points against each of the Totscum fixtures.

Located on this article..

https://www.westhamtillidie.com/posts/2014/08/05/why-i-m-dreading-the-spurs-game

 

[Grey Fox]

Moving onwards, looking at our next opponents, I found this little gem:

Bubbles about 12 hours ago
I cannot believe that there is any negativity about beating the Spuds on here shame on those of you that showed yourself up by posting that in front of a scum supporter. When I look at the fixture list and think first of all how will we reach 40 points I immediately put 3 points against each of the Totscum fixtures.

Located on this article..

https://www.westhamtillidie.com/posts/2014/08/05/why-i-m-dreading-the-spurs-game

They love Fat Sam don't they Mum OK?

 

[Shanks]

Think so mate, will know more later I guess!

THey really don't like fat sam at all, looking at this thread at the moment on KUMB..
http://kumb.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=154410

Most want Fat Sam gone, although did find this gem..

Thread titled, 3 things you want this season


Re: 3 things you want from this season?
by One Peter Butler on Tue Aug 05, 2014 5:22 pm

1) Double over Spurs
2) Spurs to be relegated
3) Spurs to become insolvent

 

[SpurSince57]

Moving onwards, looking at our next opponents, I found this little gem:

Bubbles about 12 hours ago
I cannot believe that there is any negativity about beating the Spuds on here shame on those of you that showed yourself up by posting that in front of a scum supporter. When I look at the fixture list and think first of all how will we reach 40 points I immediately put 3 points against each of the Totscum fixtures.

Located on this article..

https://www.westhamtillidie.com/posts/2014/08/05/why-i-m-dreading-the-spurs-game

Either Bubbles only started watching them last season or spent the previous nine living in a cave.