Gb160
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Youre right to think otherwise....since the recession hit ,its been a strict diet of bath salts and glue.
What our opponents' fans are saying
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E17yid
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Good point, I forgot about that. Mind you, they got £10m for Vertonghen when he was on his last year and he's a defender.
I think £14m with some add ons sounds about right?
guiltyparty
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We can't assume anything, that's my entire point. There's a heavy dose of devil's advocate in this, so apologies if you're getting the brunt of it, but there were lots of assumptions in your initial post. History has shown we're pretty good at finding affordably good midfielders. You said we can't buy a Dembele every year - so I gave four or five very good examples of us getting good midfielders at very manageable cost. Bearing in mind if we sell Bale, we'll have a windfall, I don't see midfield being an issue. It's more his goals we'll miss, because, as I say, buying strikers very much is an issue for us
CL certainly plays a part, but I think it's overplayed by some fans. As I've just said, look at the year we got CL and the players we bought, then look at us missing out last year and the players we bought. We undoubtedly had a better window when we weren't in the CL, so I'd say that disproves your theory to a certain extent. Just because we're in CL doesn't mean we're suddenly going to start signing worldies for every position. Levy doesn't work like that, and reality doesn't work like that.
I think the Hazard stuff got a few people excited, that he would have come to us if we'd beaten Chelsea to CL, but I really don't believe this. Just look at his eventual salary (£185k a week I believe). I firmly believe he would have gone somewhere else even if we did get CL, to someone who will pay that (tho it wouldn't have been Chelsea, which would have been nice, I guess)
Binary outcomes aren't reality, though. This isn't a computer. If we don't get Champions League, he will almost certainly leave, but still not absolutely certain he will, but I think we'll all agree it's quite likely. But this is not directly related to us not getting in the Champions League, it's a different set of events. It's not confused, it's a different situation. If we get in the Champions League, I would say the likelihood of him staying increases, yes, but I don't think it then becomes "far more likely" he will stay, it just becomes another factor in our favour – a factor that is still wiped out by an offer from Real, in my opinion.
Life is not black and white like that. Just like I think Modric would have left last season even if we made CL. One doesn't necessarily equate to the other, they are not fans. One tackle from a Charlie Adam and Bale's Madrid future is history, so would he risk putting what is clearly his dream on the backburner if that's a real concern for him (which he has claimed on more than one occasion it is, and many of our fans have argued it too)?
It's only ever someone's opinion on here, we have no facts and no insight on what people are thinking. But I would say if Real offer what's enough for Levy, yes, he'll be off. I agree, I don't think they will – they have a history of low-balling first. Anyway, back to what our opponents think…
jonnyrotten
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Failing to understand the stick Everton are getting from some on here. I don't think the fans comments are that deluded; they certainly do have a chance to break into the European places and it would be deserved after a consistent campaign. Okay they don't play the best football in the league but it is vastly improved on a few seasons ago, and much of their link-up play against us at Goodison was fantastic.To say they are negative is without foundation too; they don't have the resources for big-money signings and their main striker is off the boil this season (ring any bells?!) yet they are only a few league goals shy of us so far. I don't know, maybe I just see some parallels with us, living in the shadow of our rivals for a long time and gradually building up a team that can challenge without the help of super-rich investors.
Look at our home scoring record (only six prem teams have scored less than us) and Evertons battling qualities away from home (only four defeats all season) then they have every reason to be hopeful of getting a result. I think the fact that a couple of their key players are missing make us favourites to win but I don't expect there to be more than one goal in this. COYS
Look at our home scoring record (only six prem teams have scored less than us) and Evertons battling qualities away from home (only four defeats all season) then they have every reason to be hopeful of getting a result. I think the fact that a couple of their key players are missing make us favourites to win but I don't expect there to be more than one goal in this. COYS
RichieS
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I think it's the ones saying "Why on Earth would some of you take a draw?" and "We're Everton, we're better than Spurs" that have got people's backs up. The league table says we're the 3rd best team in the country - that's why we're favourites and it's bizarre that fans of any team would look at a trip to WHL as an easy 3 points.
SargeantMeatCurtains
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Everton fans truly are as thick as shit. Its probably because their close neighbours are Liverpool fans.
jonnyrotten
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Every team has fans like that I suppose. Here are a few quotes from "It's A Grand Old Team" Forum, mixed bag but not blind delusion:
"Yeah as long as we don't lose to Spurs we should still be in the mix. All those teams are dropping points here and there -- no reason to expect that won't continue. The key is that Spurs (or Chelsea) don't get too far ahead -- four teams going after two places is much better than three teams chasing one place. My concern would be setting up too defensively for Spurs. I think it will need to be fairly defensive but we can't be under siege for 90 minutes."
"Gibson and Osman are going to have to play the game of their lives vs Spurs. I have,nt seen that yet this season with the only exception being the city game. Spurs are odds on for me unless something happens in the Europa game on thursday."
"Everton can beat the best teams on the day but sometimes you have to hold your hand up and say they have a better team and it showed. I think that is what will happen on Sunday hope I am wrong like but Moyes has no options on the bench and he can only go with what he has from last sat. Spurs have options all over the shop and that will be the differance ...oh for a few quid in jan."
"Was watching Spurs against Swansea and Dawson had a shocker. Couldn't time his run all game and Swansea had a lot of headers on goal because Dawson was a yard behind his man. Their full-backs tend to stand off and allow crosses. They're not infallible Spurs."
"FFS Fulham turned them over in their own back yard and our record down there isn't as bad as you think"
"Defoe has been ruled out of their next three games...
Adebayor to start v us... he's awful. Keep on top of Bale and the win is there to be had."
michaelden
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I think how or defenders play depends on who's between the sticks
elDiablo
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My hatred began in 95, and a certain Daniel Amokachi, scoring two goals and destroyed us, and i swear he was worse than the Ginger Pele up front.
However now, i kind of appreciate them a bit more. Similar to us in many ways, and id rather that were in the top 4 than any of the other contenders (bar us of course).
leffe186
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Only saw the MOTD highlights. Why do they think we "cheated"? Timewasting?
leffe186
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In some ways, but Dawson didn't deal with Michu in the air very well in the snapshots I saw. Nothing to do with Friedel, just poor technique.
kremlyn
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Everton are a great club, well managed but with limited funds. They're not organised to my tastes but i can appreciate the bains pienaar partnership, the patience shown to colemans develpoment to a rightback as well as the issues they've had with their strikers over the last few years. Their squad has enough character and talent that i wouldnt feel embarassed if they did beat us. Not that it will happen of course.
playboypaul
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I think you may be on to a winner there.
ThorntonSpur
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one thing for certain they will play to the final whistle, as the result at goodison bears that out. a strong organised side with limitations like west brom Norwich and stoke. and how did we do against them at home this season.
its another tough game which if our team shows up we should nick 3 points buit its not a gimme
its another tough game which if our team shows up we should nick 3 points buit its not a gimme
ItsBoris
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Idk but I have zero confidence lol. I fear a loss every game and always expect the worst even when we're ahead and dominating.
michaelden
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that might be our problem, we're so afraid of losing we forget to try to win
Yip, actually like Everton for some reason, always have. Decent team, very similiar to us as well.
It's always a tough game, for some reason though, I always fancy playing them at their place, rather than at home though.
Not sure why, but meh. Lets hope for 3 points, that's all I care about - not the end of the world if we don't get 3 points though as I'm sure there are going to be many more slip ups to come.
It's always a tough game, for some reason though, I always fancy playing them at their place, rather than at home though.
Not sure why, but meh. Lets hope for 3 points, that's all I care about - not the end of the world if we don't get 3 points though as I'm sure there are going to be many more slip ups to come.
nightgoat
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That's that, then. They're both going to have worldies, aren't they?
AngerManagement
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Please never mention that game again (I've tried to block it out)
I was 14 and spent several hours on a coach to go watch that game with my friend from school expecting Klinsmann and co to take us to Wembley
the trip home was terrible
So yea, fuck Everton and the whole city of Leeds......and the M1
I disagree i think we really must get the 3 points against Everton. With Chelsea and City to come (both of which we will probably lose) we need to get as many points in other games as possible. Remember arsenal are only 4 point behind with a game in hand and a pretty easy run in. We are good enough to win against everton at home and we must therefore do exactly that. Not looking forward to that one, sense a tense atmosphere in the lane on sunday - no idea how it will be tonight.
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