What our opponents' fans are saying

[nferno]

Didn't Ozil play for Bremen? Were they even in the UCL at that point?

He had very little outings with Schalke in one season of CL, and in his only other CL season before Madrid he didnt make it past the group stage with Bremen. I'd make that around 8 sporadic CL appearances to Eriksen's 20+ (including the pressure of knockout stage games) prior to their big moves.

It just so happens that the champions league is where Eriksen made a continental name for himself in being able to shake off the tag of eredivisie players being overrated due to the league quality. The fact that he's already shown he can shine against the big teams in the biggest club competition when Özil wasn't getting rave reviews in his sparse CL time shows he is already ahead in his development. But again, I'm not getting carried away I just think everything points towards Eriksen maturing into the better player if his career follows it's current trajectory and Arse fans are very foolish to think he could never better Özil.

 

[beats1]

I think it's funny how Gooners are writing off Eriksen to never come close to Özil's class when Eriksen has more CL games under his belt than what Özil had at the same stage in his development. Won't go into caps as Denmark is a world away from Germany, or league stats as the Eredivisie is no Bundesliga especially when you're playing for the top club, but to say he will never be on the same level as Özil is quite ridiculous. No one knows at his point, he might even surpass him if you were to extrapolate.

Bundesliga wasnt strong when he left, I felt at the time this was going to be a strong league in a couple years time but it wasnt then tbh

Mesut Ozil was great for Bremen but his exploits for the national team is what got him to Madrid and Eriksen doesnt have the same quality around him to shine for the national team and tbh he has looked abit lack lustre and this is probably down to much expectations and everyone saying he will be at Barca or Madrid in a year.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

He had very little outings with Schalke in one season of CL, and in his only other CL season before Madrid he didnt make it past the group stage with Bremen. I'd make that around 8 sporadic CL appearances to Eriksen's 20+ (including the pressure of knockout stage games) prior to their big moves.

It just so happens that the champions league is where Eriksen made a continental name for himself in being able to shake off the tag of eredivisie players being overrated due to the league quality. The fact that he's already shown he can shine against the big teams in the biggest club competition when Özil wasn't getting rave reviews in his sparse CL time shows he is already ahead in his development. But again, I'm not getting carried away I just think everything points towards Eriksen maturing into the better player if his career follows it's current trajectory and Arse fans are very foolish to think he could never better Özil.

I agree Eriksen is underrated by our Arsenal colleagues, but I just don't think your point of Eriksen having more UCL appearances than Ozil at the same age is very fair, seeing as Ozil played in a tougher league (harder to qualify for Europe) in a better team (as in overall squad, so appearances were harder to get), whereas Ajax are basically nailed on for the group stage year in year out.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Arse Mania.

Like I said back when we were linked with him...

Eriksen is a good player, no doubt. He's still young enough to improve and he'll make Spurs a better team (because they had 0 creativity before he got there).

But he's not better than any player we have in his position even BEFORE we signed Özil. We wouldn't have been a better team by taking out Podolski and putting him where Cazorla plays and Cazorla out wide and he's not better than Cazorla down the middle OR Rosicky (IMO).

He'll surpass Rosicky there sooner rather than later, but as I said at the time we needed a player who could come in and be great straight away. Eriksen's good, but we needed (and got) better. For Spurs he's a perfect signing though as he instantly improves on what they had there

 

[nferno]

Mesut Ozil was great for Bremen but his exploits for the national team is what got him to Madrid and Eriksen doesnt have the same quality around him to shine for the national team and tbh he has looked abit lack lustre and this is probably down to much expectations and everyone saying he will be at Barca or Madrid in a year.

I think bundesliga when özil was there was definitely stronger than eredivisie is now but I see what you're saying, it wasn't really by much. I totally agree about last season for eriksen, he didnt do as well as expected and it was a bit worrying that he let his eye off the ball knowing that a move to anther cub was probably imminent in the summer that just went. Its like he wasnt 100% commited more than the weight of expectation though i feel. He lost focus a bit, and it certainly didnt help. I just hope the change f scenery propels him t the next level with us.

I agree Eriksen is underrated by our Arsenal colleagues, but I just don't think your point of Eriksen having more UCL appearances than Ozil at the same age is very fair, seeing as Ozil played in a tougher league (harder to qualify for Europe) in a better team (as in overall squad, so appearances were harder to get), whereas Ajax are basically nailed on for the group stage year in year out.

Maybe the points are a bit skewed but I am 100% sure Özil was not a better prospect than Eriksen at 21 years of age, that's the main thing I want to get across before any Spurs fans let their Arse mate bully them with comparisons of Özil and Eriksen.

 

[nicdic]

Arse Mania.

An element of re-writing history there, they bought what they didn't need, avoiding addressing areas of real need.

 

[spud]

So today's boring off-topic ramble has been Eriksen vs Ozil. I wonder what it will be tomorrow.

 

[CowInAComa]

So today's boring off-topic ramble has been Eriksen vs Ozil. I wonder what it will be tomorrow.

eriksen v ozil is my guess. has been for about a week.

 

[riggi]

To be honest, there are a fair few Spurs fans like this on match day in the pubs around the ground, im guessing the're not longer allowed in the ground anymore for various reasons. I dont like them much. And i dont think they like anyone much! I always find it odd when people like this try and intimidate and cause trouble with fellow fans. I guess it's not really about the football any longer for them but rather the football has become a convienient access point to violence

Ive found myself getting sucked into that world and to be honest, yes some dont give a shit but alot do. The type that try and pick a fight with some bloke wearing colours are who i despise.

Im talking the doc martin type (west ham).

 

[nferno]

It isn't off topic, were discussing what arsenal fans have wrongly said. It wasn't 2 pages worth of proper off topic betting talk.

If you want a new talking point why don't you whore out some other fan discussion yourself and bring back the goods here?

 

[colfin22]

My LFC mates weren't too impressed when I called their trip to Wales last night as being like playing in Europe for them

 

[spud]

It isn't off topic, were discussing what arsenal fans have wrongly said. It wasn't 2 pages worth of proper off topic betting talk.

So that's your justification? I can see we're in for more of the same then.

If you want a new talking point why don't you whore out some other fan discussion yourself and bring back the goods here?

I have in the past, but sadly don't have time now. Haven't seen you do it before though.

 

[Don_Felipe]

Back to Cardiff... If anyone's going, apparently the blue/redbirds *really* like this song



Just saying...

 

[nferno]

So that's your justification? I can see we're in for more of the same then.


I have in the past, but sadly don't have time now. Haven't seen you do it before though.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ts-fans-are-saying.81778/page-91#post-2757294

Research your claims appropriately next time s'il vous plaît. I haven't contributed a lot, which is rather ****ish of me, but I have contributed contrary to your claim. And as for the rest, nothing I have posted was totally off topic in this thread... Apart from this last two posts in order to absolve myself.

 

[spud]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ts-fans-are-saying.81778/page-91#post-2757294

Research your claims appropriately next time s'il vous plaît. I haven't contributed a lot, which is rather ****ish of me, but I have contributed contrary to your claim. And as for the rest, nothing I have posted was totally off topic in this thread... Apart from this last two posts in order to absolve myself.

Thank you for your contribution. I didn't recall it, and I apologise for my mistake. Your condescension wasn't necessary, but I suppose that it's par for the course.

As for the spamming, as I am myself guilty of doing it by complaing about it this will be my last word. If you can't see the difference between 'what our opponents fans are saying' and members of this forum debating the relative merits and potential of Eriksen and Ozil among themselves (as opposed to starting a thread for that purpose), then we'll have to resign ourselves to more off-topic ramblings and wading through self-indulgent crap to actually see what this thread was designed for.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

It's worth pointing out Arsenals "magic midfield" includes Rosicky and Ramsey both of who were constantly booed last year and many on ArseMania wanted rid. How soon they forget.

 

[bookhouseboy]

The Tromsø-supporter in me (awoken in 1986, when Tromsø played in the top-tier division for the first time) goes like this:
"Don't shoot!"
"No, please, no! God, please, no! Oh God, I don't wanna die!"

But the far more passionate Spurs-fan (The Salvation of Hoddle - 1981) in me eagerly awaits the following:
[kicking Tromsø into the shallow pit] "Who's the bitch now?!"

 

[nferno]

Thank you for your contribution. I didn't recall it, and I apologise for my mistake. Your condescension wasn't necessary, but I suppose that it's par for the course.

As for the spamming, as I am myself guilty of doing it by complaing about it this will be my last word. If you can't see the difference between 'what our opponents fans are saying' and members of this forum debating the relative merits and potential of Eriksen and Ozil among themselves (as opposed to starting a thread for that purpose), then we'll have to resign ourselves to more off-topic ramblings and wading through self-indulgent crap to actually see what this thread was designed for.

I appreciate the apology, in an effort to get things on topic then.. some stuff from the geniuses at RAWK:

if the opposition fans are chanting "jews jews" instead of "yids yids"..would that make any diference?

just asking like

Seriously though, everyone knows the intent behind the chants are not at all dark, and I can understand to a degree why some would think a blanket ban on words like these - no matter what the celebratory significance of them may be to certain sets of fans - is just political correctness gone mad, and all part of gradually sapping away the spice of life from traditionally frank, irreverent, rugged working class footy culture. It's certainly a more awkward one that some make out, and one which is perhaps best ultimately decided by Tottenham Hotspurs' jewish contingent themselves. Personally, I'd consult them in earnest, and then what they say goes. Because while it might not really matter what percentage of the fans who chant it are actually of jewish heritage, it does matter how they feel about it.

The whole idea is the use of the word is all-embracing of Spurs' fan base. It's about uniting with the Jewish supporters that have been historically targeted by opposition fans with chanting, and taking all the meaning out of the jibe by using it to refer to all Spurs supporters as a group.

Simply banning the word across everything is not a solution. But then again, banning things is never a solution to anything, because the hard-line immediately causes dissent.

I think the intent is all important. As Capitano says the original intent was positive and if anything inclusive. I do accept though that it's difficult because when opposing fans shout "Fucking Yids!!!" or whatever, are they shouting it because they're racist or because they think this is what Spurs fans are called? Since this all hit the headlines again I've heard loads of people, even Spurs fans, who said they never knew it was racist or referred to Jews particularly, or if it did was offensive. When lines become blurred like that it must be incredibly frustrating for campaigners like Baddiel who want to stamp out anti-Semitism, because how can you tell who the real anti-Semites are?

On the other hand it's a bit rich, if you're a Spurs fan, to be lectured by a Chelsea season-ticket holder on anti-Semitism. It is particularly the fans of Chelsea and West Ham who come out with really vile stuff, the hissing to mimic gas-chambers, the nasty Adolf Hitler chants. You would think a campaign to deal with these obvious abuses first with criminal prosecutions, banning orders and the like would be the first port of call rather than targeting us? It's not as if we spontaneously called ourselves Yids after all, the racist abuse came first, so the idea that stopping us will stop the racism is frankly laughable.

In conclusion, what I would say is that everyone needs to be aware that the word used in the wrong way from the wrong lips is racist. And to make things simpler opposing fans should be told that if they are caught using it directed at us they will be cautioned, do it again and they'll get a suspended banning order, and third time and they're out. It will be a slow process of education, but in the end I think it's the only solution.

And on soldado:

I think I heard that in the last four seasons in Spain, only Messi and Ronaldo had scored more.

I remain unconvinced by him, but he wouldn't be the first player to take time to settle in a new league and furthermore, a totally new team still finding it's feet. Penalties or not, his record thus far reads 4 goals in 5 games.

He's not a £26m player, no doubt, but I don't think Eriksen or Vertonghen were £11m players - I think you have to look at transfers in the round, Spurs had money to spend and needed a striker. No idea why the same sort of bid wasn't made for Benteke though

Their resident spurs fan on soldado

It's so early to tell one way or another, but he's been very good in the games thus far, I'm not sure where this idea that he's played poorly and needs time to settle has come from? Two goals in four games, three other attempts cleared by defenders off the line, and a post, in four games? His movement is excellent compared to a Jermain Defoe type, he keeps going even when he's not involved, he presses from the front, what's not to like? Only thing is getting him hooked into the rest of the team properly, he needs the service to really thrive, but there are signs of that coming, against Swansea, whom we dominated from start to finish, we carved a few chances for him, then against Norwich, with the arrival of Eriksen there were real signs that the midfield was finding its synch with the attack.

Anyway, like I say, it's very early to say one way or another, but with what limited evidence we have there's loads of reasons to think his Spanish form will be translated to England, and if it is then there's no doubt he'll have proven to be precisely the player we needed.

 

[RickyVilla]

They need only look across Stanley Park to see some of the worst offenders with the gas chamber hisses.

 

[PantherX]

Regarding the Arse fans; It's not about Ozil vs Eriksen, it's Ozil vs Eriksen, Soldado, Paulinho, Lamela, Chiriches, Capoue & Chadli.

To keep the thread police off my trail I will distract them with a quote from an opposing fan and make my escape.

A Liverpool fan who lives on my street: "We've been having great weather lately haven't we?"