What our opponents' fans are saying

[PMS]

I remember coming back from white hart lane after we played Birmingham on the train and some West Ham fans started with the foreskin chants at me and my mate.

We weren't even playing them.

Funny thing is I'm mixed raced and circumcised due to some Christian cult bullshit that my mum adhered to (Seventh day Adventism).

Point is you don't have to be Jewish to be circumcised.

Ignorant degenerative fucks.

PS don't mind about the circumcision apparently the cut makes me penis look bigger. So they say

Also my mates half Jewish and does have foreskin. I know coz he wouldn't be mate if I ain't seen his dick.

 

[olliec]

Interesting. Reading that, the guy is not only stupid, but a racist twat who buys into conspiracy theories too.

Carroll looks likd a big dumb retard when you tell him a joke everyone else laughs and he turns around and says "I don't get it" There, there Andy maybe one day.

 

[RichieS]

As a side note, why do goons hate Kane with a passion? I've spoken to several now and they don't rate him and choose to mock the way he speaks and looks.

They should be chuffed that we finally have a striker that can go on and give this country something to smile about. Not only that but the lad is so down to earth and doesn't seem to possess a malicious attitude at all, like John Terry, Cole etc

I'm guessing because they've lacked a world class striker for years and now we have one.

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

If the outburst of the individual was entirely unrepresentative of the group then you'd have a point but anyone who knows about the history of West Ham fans will know that unfortunately that outburst was entirely representative of their fan base. If you are unaware and want to become more informed then just go to YouTube and sadly you'll see numerous clips of the anti-Semitism of their fans, most recently at this seasons game at WHL.

I know five West Ham fans, including two of my oldest friends. They're all good people. Last time I was in England I shared a train carriage with a bunch of West Ham fans on their way home from a stag party in Norwich -- friendly family men who didn't flinch when I said I was Spurs, even though I tried to get a rise. Anyway, that's just anecdotal, as are your and everyone's stories. Spurs fans can be obnoxious too -- football brings out the worst in people and the worst people out. Show me some stats.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

A few years ago on various fan sites it was "Spurs are just an average team with one good player", then it was "Spurs are bang average with two or three good players". Now it's "Spurs are an average team apart from Kane, Alli, Eriksen, Lloris, Alderweireld, Dembele, Vertonghen, Lamela, Dier".

One thing you never hear from Liverpool fans is the admission that not only have we been better than them in the league, but that we've been better than them while making a profit on transfers while they continue to flush hundreds of millions down the toilet. That money has come straight out of their fans pockets too so you would expect them to be a bit more angry and clued up.

In true scouse way their club can do no wrong. Even if their fans did figure out what's been going on though, the board would just cart out King Kenny to pacify them again.

This from fans who still fail to realise that their supposed saviours were trying to rip them off for seventy seven quid a ticket, lashed millions on Ballotelli, and thought Joe Allen was a World class player. Don't even get me started on that thug Carroll.

 

[monkeynick]

I'll start by saying I'm not Jewish.

I don't find West Ham (or any others) fans signing about foreskins etc in the slightest bit offensive, I also don't think they are being anti Semitic, I think they are just signing about something that they find amusing.

The average football fan is not always the most well informed and will pick up on what they can and use it for an amusing Chant the masses will join in with.

There will be many amongst us who have sung with relish that Adeybayor's Father was employed cleansing pachyderm a clear reference to his African heritage, does that make all those people racists? Not for me. They just find it funny on a very juvenile level as do I many chants.

Do we really believe that Arsene Wenger is a paedophile? I'd imagine not but there are plenty of funny songs about that knocking around.

For me songs at the football are harmless.....and I hate this word...banter, people getting on there high horse about it should go to the snooker or something and trying to take the moral high ground regarding one chant or another is pathetic.

I thought it was absurd when folk were nicked regarding the Sol Campbell chants, just let the people have a giggle I say.

I know this may not be a popular opinion but there you go

P.S. I wouldn't let Wenger babysit my kids ;-)

 

[oskathegobshite]

Do we really believe that Arsene Wenger is a paedophile?

Yes

 

[bomberH]

I'll start by saying I'm not Jewish.

I don't find West Ham (or any others) fans signing about foreskins etc in the slightest bit offensive, I also don't think they are being anti Semitic, I think they are just signing about something that they find amusing.

The average football fan is not always the most well informed and will pick up on what they can and use it for an amusing Chant the masses will join in with.

There will be many amongst us who have sung with relish that Adeybayor's Father was employed cleansing pachyderm a clear reference to his African heritage, does that make all those people racists? Not for me. They just find it funny on a very juvenile level as do I many chants.

Do we really believe that Arsene Wenger is a paedophile? I'd imagine not but there are plenty of funny songs about that knocking around.

For me songs at the football are harmless.....and I hate this word...banter, people getting on there high horse about it should go to the snooker or something and trying to take the moral high ground regarding one chant or another is pathetic.

I thought it was absurd when folk were nicked regarding the Sol Campbell chants, just let the people have a giggle I say.

I know this may not be a popular opinion but there you go

P.S. I wouldn't let Wenger babysit my kids ;-)

Agree and disagree in parts. For instance, the foreskin part of the song is generally fine (imo) and 'banterous' in the football chant world, but the 'fucking jew' part is racist. Do I think that the people singing them are racist? Some are, some aren't. I agree lots of people join in without thinking but it doesn't necessarily make it ok. I personally never felt comfortable with the Adebayor song so I didn't sing it but I know lots that did and they weren't racist, even though the song had obvious racist undertones. They just thought it was a funny song and didn't care that it may be construed as racist because they hated Adebayor and found the song funny and easy to chant.

But when you have a chant that ends with 'fucking jew' shouted in an aggressive manner, which it always is, then that's just blatantly racist and I don't believe there's any argument to be had against that. Imagine if it was 'fucking blacks' etc. Completely unacceptable but I understand that some people sing it without really meaning any harm.

With all that said, I still find West Ham fans as one of the worst sets of fans around in terms of attitude, delusions of grandeur, aggression and all round ****iness.

 

[monkeynick]

Agree and disagree in parts. For instance, the foreskin part of the song is generally fine (imo) and 'banterous' in the football chant world, but the 'fucking jew' part is racist. Do I think that the people singing them are racist? Some are, some aren't. I agree lots of people join in without thinking but it doesn't necessarily make it ok. I personally never felt comfortable with the Adebayor song so I didn't sing it but I know lots that did and they weren't racist, even though the song had obvious racist undertones. They just thought it was a funny song and didn't care that it may be construed as racist because they hated Adebayor and found the song funny and easy to chant.

But when you have a chant that ends with 'fucking jew' shouted in an aggressive manner, which it always is, then that's just blatantly racist and I don't believe there's any argument to be had against that. Imagine if it was 'fucking blacks' etc. Completely unacceptable but I understand that some people sing it without really meaning any harm.

With all that said, I still find West Ham fans as one of the worst sets of fans around in terms of attitude, delusions of grandeur, aggression and all round ****iness.

I guess what you're saying is that it's about crossing a line for you, ie the directness of one song (f*cking Jew) against the undertones of another (washing elephants) which is cool, we all have a line somewhere.

In my simple brain it's easier to have no line to cross and that way I can't get confused!

I think that my initial post strayed but my point (I think) was there is no real moral high ground to be had between one set of fans to another and when people try to it comes across as very hollow

 

[animal]

This thread has been massively side tracked by West Ham. Any news from Dortmund fans? Thought they might have some new thoughts on us following the impact of our England boys. I've had a look but can't find anything and I don't speak German.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The Adebayor elephant song is clearly taking the piss out of him based on his race and that is unacceptable.

Not quite sure how to class the Wenger Paedophile song but it's pretty disgusting, in a world far more aware than ever of what is a widespread issue which causes severe trauma to many people for their lifetime, that grown men can chant at an individual that he is a paedophile purely because he managed our biggest rivals.

As for West Ham fans, no, it's not hugely racist to make foreskin jokes, in the same way that I don't get offended when people pronounce my surname by ending it with opoulopoulopoulopoulos just because I'm Greek, or make a joke about kebabs in relation to my dick. What is racist and severely offensive is when several thousand West Ham fans, in unison, start chanting 'Spurs are on their way to Aushwitz' and when they start hissing to recreate the sound of a gas chamber. And yes, when it is several thousand in one go you can generalise that it is a representative portion of their fan base. I don't understand how anybody could argue otherwise.

It's also racist when Chelsea fans push someone off a train in Paris because he's black by the way.

 

[Lufti]

I think I see where West Ham fans get their delusions from...

David Sullivan:

"We have a list of about 10 strikers all over Europe, and most of our money will go into signing a striker,” Sullivan told talkSPORT. "That is the plan for next season.

"I'd love Ibrahimovic from PSG, but whether he'd come to us I don't know. I know he's 34 but he's a fantastic player.

"There are a number of top Premier League players we may be bidding for, top goalscorers, but I can't name them. I can't comment on players from other teams.

"The squad we have at West Ham now is the best we've had in six years, by a long, long way.

"We will be adding to that squad in the summer and hopefully we'll be a bit better next year."

 

[RickyVilla]

They will be putting in a bid for Kane no doubt. 12 quid, free pie, mash & liquor for 10 years and genital warts from Karen Brady.

 

[JerryGarcia]

Maybe Newham Council will be buying Ibrahimovic and renting him to the spammers for a packet of peanuts and a tit wank every week "in the name of the queen".

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Agree and disagree in parts. For instance, the foreskin part of the song is generally fine (imo) and 'banterous' in the football chant world, but the 'fucking jew' part is racist. Do I think that the people singing them are racist? Some are, some aren't. I agree lots of people join in without thinking but it doesn't necessarily make it ok. I personally never felt comfortable with the Adebayor song so I didn't sing it but I know lots that did and they weren't racist, even though the song had obvious racist undertones. They just thought it was a funny song and didn't care that it may be construed as racist because they hated Adebayor and found the song funny and easy to chant.

But when you have a chant that ends with 'fucking jew' shouted in an aggressive manner, which it always is, then that's just blatantly racist and I don't believe there's any argument to be had against that. Imagine if it was 'fucking blacks' etc. Completely unacceptable but I understand that some people sing it without really meaning any harm.

I agree with the general drift of your post, but the bit in bold is a signal for a common misunderstanding that leads to much confusion, non-communication and ignorance.

It isn't about "being a racist". Racism is not something you "are", it's about things that you "do". If you sing a racist song, you are "being racist". Not a racist. This is important. Your actions make you racist or anti-racist (I don't even admit the validity of the term "non-racist"). Racism is not a genetic condition, it's a choice.

When we make the debate about whether someone "is a racist", we open the discussion to the [ghastly, sick-comic] non-defence: "nah, I'm not a racist, I've got black friends". This misses the point. The person who has Black/Jewish/gay friends, but goes out and chants racist/anti-semitic/homophobic songs, especially at groups that include Black/Jewish/gay people, is being racist when they are chanting. I don't really give a fuck whether they have a mixed race cousin or a mate from school whom they later found out is gay or a Jewish sister-in-law or grew up in Stamford Hill. I give a fuck about what they do.

Similarly, one can't chant racist songs "without meaning any harm". It's an oxymoron. If a person is so fucking ignorant that they think those songs are not intrinsically harmful, then their whole life is basically a form of harm.

This is also connected with many people's total misunderstanding of the term "institutional racism". People wrongly think it's a nonsensical concept because they imagine racism as a personal and immutable state of being. It's not: an institution is racist when it fails to take action to prevent racist effects. Because it's all about what they do (or fail to do), not about what they are.

 

[Shadydan]

I think I see where West Ham fans get their delusions from...

David Sullivan:

"We have a list of about 10 strikers all over Europe, and most of our money will go into signing a striker,” Sullivan told talkSPORT. "That is the plan for next season.

"I'd love Ibrahimovic from PSG, but whether he'd come to us I don't know. I know he's 34 but he's a fantastic player.

"There are a number of top Premier League players we may be bidding for, top goalscorers, but I can't name them. I can't comment on players from other teams.

"The squad we have at West Ham now is the best we've had in six years, by a long, long way.

"We will be adding to that squad in the summer and hopefully we'll be a bit better next year."

Clearly trying to create interest in West Ham and sell more tickets for the OS next season.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

"There are a number of top Premier League players we may be bidding for, top goalscorers, but I can't name them. I can't comment on players from other teams.

Didn't McAvennie retire some time ago?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Deluded fuckwits, and this is from their own local newspaper the Echo:

Headline:
Klopp at Liverpool and Pochettino at Spurs now having influence on England national team
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spor...ochettino-spurs-now-11101360#comments-section



Posted replies:

Dele Alli should be a LFC player right now. Offered to us on a plate as an LFC fan. But we took a pass on him. This kid is already on his way to being one of the world's top midfield players. No doubt Barca/Real will want him. Funny thing, if Rodgers had signed him, he might still be in a job here.

I am afraid AnfieldIrony is a bit out of sync if he thinks Rodgers was just one player away from keeping his job; The imposter left Klopp with a lot of overpriced lemons; not worthy of playing for Reds ,and unable to adapt tp Klopps high pressing style; No doubt Klopp will bring in the players he needs to effectively carry out the high pressing style ; a manager has two choices when he takes over a club; 1. Look at the players he has and come up with a style that that fits them; or 2. Have a style and get players who will fit into it. Spurs have the players who play the style of pressing wanted by the manager and their training includes fitness and stamina building; no doubt Klopp will be in a better position next season to to be effective; as for Hodgson,this guy was always a strict 4-4-2 merchant, but he has tried to emulate the Spurs and LFC way,and it appears with some success; but lets see if progress is continued when we are in a tournament and not playing friendlies.

In all fairness Pochetino is the story here. Lallana was ok, not a starter. Poch had Clyne for more time than Klopp. But the real story is the attacking talent and work rate off the ball of Kane and the magnificence of Alli at 19.......add in Vardy who is an undeniable threat............

every minute of it..........Alli, Kane and Dier were superb. Henderson VG, Clyne OK......Lallana, not impressed.........sorry but I watch England from the 3 Lions perspective, not the club.

.....It was like a scene from a Jurgen Klopp wet dream with Liverpool"
WOW

Reminiscent of the low class journalism of other Mirror papers. Totally second rate and immature.

Always thought that a lot went out of Liverpool when Channel 4 cancelled Brookside, now i am fucking convinced of it.

 

[spursfan77]

I'm sure there's going to be some interesting comments from Liverpool fans in the build up to the game Saturday. I'd love us to beat them for the obvious reasons and also to see what people post in here of their reactions

 

[Ironskullll]

This thread has been massively side tracked by West Ham. Any news from Dortmund fans? Thought they might have some new thoughts on us following the impact of our England boys. I've had a look but can't find anything and I don't speak German.

I was wondering the same. Not one of our quartet started the first game against them and only Harry came on, with 15-20 minutes left. I wonder what they make of us saving them for the Germany game.