What the pundits & media are saying about us

[Cambridge Spur]

Your point is?

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Your point is?

Fat thumbs

 

[Cambridge Spur]

I have no truck with those so called old school supporters who have given up. I hate Wembley as much as everybody else. But a loyal supporter is a loyal supporter through thick and thin. As the song goes "Everywhere we go...it's the Tottenham Boys making all the noise". Well they aren't. I also do not accept that the fans who are attending in their place are trying to generate some sort of atmosphere. They do not know the songs, and even wander out during the game. Some never return to their seats...it cannot be the food or drink cos what is on offer at Wembley is a disgrace to catering. Worst diet coke i have ever had. It is not acceptable in my book to only turn up to the big games. However, I hope they do get behind the team on Saturday and lets hope it is the last time this year we play at this sorry state of a stadium.

I agree with a lot of that but I also understand why some season ticket holders are getting fed up. We’ve been drip fed information all season with no clear end in sight. We’re not stupid, we know that a project of this magnitude will never be straight forward but the club could have handled things so much better. My seat in the new stadium is £300 more than the equivalent at WHL and close to £500 more than my Wembley season ticket from last year. On top of that we don’t get any cup games included. All we get is an email now and again ‘sorry not this month but please buy your seats for Wembley’. I haven’t taken any money back from the club and have bought tickets for each game effectively paying twice. I’m not rich but I’m doing this knowing that I can offset my costs for next season. I’m lucky that I can afford to do this but I fully understand those that can’t or don’t want to go right now. My point is if people aren’t going for whatever reason, I have no right to criticise those that take their place. Yes some are tourists but some are just new or don’t know the songs. We all had to start somewhere!

 

[taidgh]

Owen is 100% right. Listen to Old Trafford. Wembley always sounds subdued like we don’t believe. The fans makes such a big difference and we need to make more of a noise at NWH and start believing instead of all this Spursy crap or that half of us still have anxiety over the fact we are gonna blow it against Dortmund still.

How do you expect the players to feel like winners if their own fans don’t believe in them?

Manchester United have a history of winning. And their fans expect to win. We haven't had that history in 50 years. Our fans don't expect to win. Poch has it right when he says it would take 10 years to correct. He's not just talking about the players!

 

[olliec]

Manchester United have a history of winning. And their fans expect to win. We haven't had that history in 50 years. Our fans don't expect to win. Poch has it right when he says it would take 10 years to correct. He's not just talking about the players!

Yes, I agree but us fans need to start doing our part instead of showing so much anxiety and believe that this team is capable of beating anyone.

 

[SugarRay]

Yeah, Michael Owen was right, it’s starts with us the fans, all this losing mentality shit...

Yeah right! This lot are fucking piss weak mentally. Won’t win a thing. That was utterly pathetic and the easiest three points that very average Chelsea side will get this season

 

[scat1620]

Was just coming on here to make a sarc-y "Well, I for one blame the fans for this clearly-not-quite-good-enough-to-win-things team for not winning anything", but it looks like @SugarRay beat me to the punch. Get your own material, you clairvoyant stealer of my jokes from the future.

 

[Stamford]

Yeah, Michael Owen was right, it’s starts with us the fans, all this losing mentality shit...

Yeah right! This lot are fucking piss weak mentally. Won’t win a thing. That was utterly pathetic and the easiest three points that very average Chelsea side will get this season

But but the fans

 

[Shadydan]

*sigh*

 

[scat1620]

*sigh*

I suppose that would be the response of someone who just can't accept that maybe a squad that is certainly very respectable but also certainly not quite good enough to win the big prizes might be more of a factor in us not winning any big prizes than, say, our pretty-much-the-same-as-everyone-else's fanbase.

Sigh away.

 

[Shadydan]

I suppose that would be the response of someone who just can't accept that maybe a squad that is certainly very respectable but also certainly not quite good enough to win the big prizes might be more of a factor in us not winning any big prizes than, say, our pretty-much-the-same-as-everyone-else's fanbase.

Sigh away.

You're venting and we're never gonna agree so...

 

[scat1620]

You're venting and we're never gonna agree so...

Sorry, Shady, I thought the standard SC MO for all of us is to go back at opportune moments when results back up one's own arguments and pour scorn on the poor saps who are looking silly right now. Just following a protocol that you yourself often indulge in.

 

[Shadydan]

Sorry, Shady, I thought the standard SC MO for all of us is to go back at opportune moments when results back up one's own arguments and pour scorn on the poor saps who are looking silly right now. Just following a protocol that you yourself often indulge in.

Whatever floats your boat mate

 

[guiltyparty]

Yep this is definitely what's been said.

Do you still believe?

I’m intrigued to see if belief overcomes logic

 

[Shadydan]

Do you still believe?

I’m intrigued to see if belief overcomes logic

I'm not sure why one match would make a difference to my thinking when I've held this belief for a number of years? Incidentally you might want to throw that question out to others in this thread and there were a few who also agreed which whether you like to admit it or not means there's probably something in it...

Subsuqently seeing as you're so kean to revisit the topic I don't know when this debate got so literal?, I've never one mentioned that the fan mentality is a direct consequence of teams winning or losing matches...I said its a factor yet some people are spectucarly still missing the point - Despite the majority of his rant calling out the fans Michael Owen said winning mentality comes from the fans, the players and the manager, basically the whole club not just the fans and some of you are acting like you have sand in your vaginas.

So I don't get the need to bump this topic in the wake of a loss? ...oh wait yes I do its because people are smarting and looking for something to desperately cling onto in the wake of a defeat, we've been down this road many times in here.

So bumping this topic for cheap point scoring is pretty amusing, if you're gonna play the one-upmanship game then at least do it right.

 

[guiltyparty]

I'm not sure why one match would make a difference to my thinking when I've held this belief for a number of years? Incidentally you might want to throw that question out to others in this thread and there were a few who also agreed which whether you like to admit it or not means there's probably something in it...

Subsuqently seeing as you're so kean to revisit the topic I don't know when this debate got so literal?, I've never one mentioned that the fan mentality is a direct consequence of teams winning or losing matches...I said its a factor yet some people are spectucarly still missing the point - Despite the majority of his rant calling out the fans Michael Owen said winning mentality comes from the fans, the players and the manager, basically the whole club not just the fans and some of you are acting like you have sand in your vaginas.

So I don't get the need to bump this topic in the wake of a loss? ...oh wait yes I do its because people are smarting and looking for something to desperately cling onto in the wake of a defeat, we've been down this road many times in here.

So bumping this topic for cheap point scoring is pretty amusing, if you're gonna play the one-upmanship game then at least do it right.

You are the king of bumping threads to make points, so suck it up. This is a conversation from yesterday; not weeks ago.

Michael Owen blamed the fans as a collective for the comments of a couple of tweeters. You and others said you didn’t see anything wrong with what he said. Shame on you

Every fan base has people bitching and moaning. Any survey of social media will find this. I know plenty of Liverpool fans who were complaining they’d blown it, then they win 5-0 and it’s all fine. See Chelsea. See Arsenal. See even fucking Leicester. All had “terrible” seasons, all had fans constantly whining.

The idea that this is unusual to Spurs is rubbish, it’s the modern condition. “Sand in your vaginas” - what are you, 12? Grow up and actually look out the window and see what the worlds like.

Fans being realistic has nowt to do with success on the pitch. Liverpool aren’t top due to their fans’ willpower, it’s called investment, backing your manager and having a history of winning. Was yesterday’s loss the fans’ fault or was it the two soft goals we gave away, the complete lack of ideas on the pitch and that we haven’t played well in the league for weeks?

But keep blaming the fans, poorer, homeless, watching knackered players balls it up and just as far away from winning anything as they’ve ever been. The players will all get pay rises anyway

 

[Shadydan]

You are the king of bumping threads to make points, so suck it up. This is a conversation from yesterday; not weeks ago.

Yeah in particular threads when posters make derogatory remarks at our players mainly due to knee jerking or trolling, only for them to turn their form around, and for me to mock them for being silly not for an opinion which is incidentally irrelevant to the reason you've attempted to bump it for.

Youre doing this whole thing wrong - flattered you're trying to copy me though.

Michael Owen blamed the fans as a collective for the comments of a couple of tweeters. You and others said you didn’t see anything wrong with what he said. Shame on you

It wasn't "a couple of tweeters" you've just made that up, dont do that please.

And I stand by what I said and agreed what looks like a fair few people as well, if that doesn't tell you anything then I don't know what else to say - SHAME on us I guess ?

Every fan base has people bitching and moaning. Any survey of social media will find this. I know plenty of Liverpool fans who were complaining they’d blown it, then they win 5-0 and it’s all fine. See Chelsea. See Arsenal. See even fucking Leicester. All had “terrible” seasons, all had fans constantly whining

This is all well and good but this isn't the argument so I'll stop your there, I'm not talking about bitching and moaning, I'm talking about the mentality of our fans, all this Spursy crap, harking back to events in history like Lasagagate, losing from winning positions, it's the expectancy of losing and repeating the same tricks that used to curse our club and bringing them into this era as if its still relevant today.

As I said if outsiders can see it and fellow Spurs fans, it's you that need to open your eyes, suck it up.

BTW It helps if you actually understand the debate beofore going off on a tangent.

The idea that this is unusual to Spurs is rubbish, it’s the modern condition. “Sand in your vaginas” - what are you, 12? Grow up and actually look out the window and see what the worlds like.

Wait I thought it was fair game seeing as those who oppose your mighty opinion are accused of having "Brexit level mental leaps" I suggest if you can't take it then...

 

[guiltyparty]

Yeah in particular threads when posters make derogatory remarks at our players mainly due to knee jerking or trolling, only for them to turn their form around, and for me to mock them for being silly not for an opinion which is incidentally irrelevant to the reason you've attempted to bump it for.

Youre doing this whole thing wrong - flattered you're trying to copy me though.



It wasn't "a couple of tweeters" you've just made that up, dont do that please.

And I stand by what I said and agreed what looks like a fair few people as well, if that doesn't tell you anything then I don't know what else to say - SHAME on us I guess ?



This is all well and good but this isn't the argument so I'll stop your there, I'm not talking about bitching and moaning, I'm talking about the mentality of our fans, all this Spursy crap, harking back to events in history like Lasagagate, losing from winning positions, it's the expectancy of losing and repeating the same tricks that used to curse our club and bringing them into this era as if its still relevant today.

As I said if outsiders can see it and fellow Spurs fans, it's you that need to open your eyes, suck it up.

BTW It helps if you actually understand the debate beofore going off on a tangent.



Wait I thought it was fair game seeing as those who oppose your mighty opinion are accused of having "Brexit level mental leaps" I suggest if you can't take it then...

It wasn’t a couple of tweeters? Who was it then? Was it an intensive survey? Or a few people who contacted a TV show that a presenter highlighted to make an anti Spurs point? How many? How was the data collected? Such sweeping statements need statistical backing.

So your whole argument is the fans are responsible for the Spursy tag? How insightful. Owen’s entire point was that Spurs fans are too negative, yet you could find fans from any club after a loss saying as such online or in phone ins. It’s a cherry picked point. Not taking debate off on a tangent, it’s directly relevant.

It is Brexit level mental leaps. Spurs do fall at the last, regularly. For many reasons, many beyond our control. You seem to think if Spurs fans pretend that doesn’t happen, it won’t happen. It’s just nonsense, sorry, and you shape shifting the argument doesn’t make it true.

 

[dontcallme]

So your whole argument is the fans are responsible for the Spursy tag? How insightful. Owen’s entire point was that Spurs fans are too negative, yet you could find fans from any club after a loss saying as such online or in phone ins. It’s a cherry picked point. Not taking debate off on a tangent, it’s directly relevant.

Actually that wasn’t his entire point.

“Spurs fans need to know they are a proper team, they are a force.”

Right now we are performing better than we have in the entire Prem era. But rather than 90s Newcastle wave of optimism we are worried.

It is strange. Whatever happens next season I wish we would enjoy the moment more. Times are good but you would never know it.

 

[Shadydan]

It wasn’t a couple of tweeters? Who was it then? Was it an intensive survey? Or a few people who contacted a TV show that a presenter highlighted to make an anti Spurs point? How many? How was the data collected? Such sweeping statements need statistical backing.

So your whole argument is the fans are responsible for the Spursy tag? How insightful. Owen’s entire point was that Spurs fans are too negative, yet you could find fans from any club after a loss saying as such online or in phone ins. It’s a cherry picked point. Not taking debate off on a tangent, it’s directly relevant.

It is Brexit level mental leaps. Spurs do fall at the last, regularly. For many reasons, many beyond our control. You seem to think if Spurs fans pretend that doesn’t happen, it won’t happen. It’s just nonsense, sorry, and you shape shifting the argument doesn’t make it true.

I think the point is that you said a couple of tweeters to desperately try and over exaggerate your point, not that it does.

lol Reading your 2nd paragraph you've missed the entire point yet again

Agree to disagree, I'm done cya.