What the pundits & media are saying about us

[easley91]

Of course but some people make very strong statements on the basis of fuck all.

That's the job of a "pundit". Especially those on talksport. They do it to garner reactions from fans for clicks and hits. Research or no research.

I like when they go back on that and realise they were wrong. It's the ones who stubbornly stay with that original view point that annoy me.

Known accepts he was wrong and has rightly praised Ange and us.

 

[eViL]

We had 3 players in Garth's team of the week on BBC website...

Micky, Vicario and Romero...

Here's his Romero analysis:

Cristian Romero (Tottenham): Spurs went top of the table, but they made hard work of it.

Son Heung-min and Richarlison were well off the pace and why Yves Bissouma thought it a good idea to dive having already been booked earlier in the game beggars belief. His second caution was totally justified and such recklessness needs to be addressed by Tottenham's coaching staff immediately before a costlier moment comes against a much bigger club.

Nevertheless, Spurs came away with all the points because of Luton's inability to take their chances even against 10 men, and thanks to defending from the likes of Romero. I've no doubt Luton are trying their best but I cannot see where they are going to get their goals from to stay in this league. By the time they do come to terms with the challenge facing them and adjust to the level required they will have been cut adrift.

Thanks for the insight Garth!

Garth really does steal a living as a pundit

Luckily he's a fucking Legend so he can say what he likes.

 

[Mr Pink]

That's the job of a "pundit". Especially those on talksport. They do it to garner reactions from fans for clicks and hits. Research or no research.

I like when they go back on that and realise they were wrong. It's the ones who stubbornly stay with that original view point that annoy me.

Known accepts he was wrong and has rightly praised Ange and us.

I know it's their job. But people have the right to call them out regardless.

Merson saying we'd finish bottom half without Kane and without seeing us kick a ball is fucking stupid and lazy 'punditry' regardless of getting clicks and stirring reaction.

 

[bigfrooj]

They troll us when we have 2 points from 8 games they troll us when we have 20 points from 8 games. I think they call it ‘living rent free in their heads’ these days.

Lap it up.

 

[danielneeds]

One thing you have to accept is that until we actually get over the line and win something significant the general football world will never see us anything more than soft-touch pretenders. As myopic as that view is in some cases, ultimately it's up to us to change it.

 

[Japhet]

I know it's their job. But people have the right to call them out regardless.

Merson saying we'd finish bottom half without Kane and without seeing us kick a ball is fucking stupid and lazy 'punditry' regardless of getting clicks and stirring reaction.

That type of inflammatory punditry is really for kids and numpties. The likes of Merson, Keown, Bent etc just want to allign themselves with the type who value bragging rights above all else. They don't deserve any attention from anyone other than their 'own' clubs. Unfortunately there's a large number of them with Arsenal affiliations but they should just be ignored by everyone else until they inevitably say something really stupid.

 

[CPHSpur]

From: https://www.football365.com/news/ar...purs-defence-top-10-pleasant-surprises-season

1) Tottenham’s defending
Spurs have been pretty surprising full stop as we all wait patiently for it to go all to shit as it surely must. But the attacking enterprise hasn’t been that surprising. The speed with which Ange's style of football has taken hold maybe is, the sheer extent of James Maddison’s elevation to new levels above even what we thought he had in him. But in general the surprise at Spurs’ attacking endeavours is one of scale. We thought they’d be good going forward, and they are good going forward.

What we didn’t remotely anticipate was that they would be wildly competent at the back. They’ve only conceded eight goals this season and that is definitely the maddest part of their antics when you think about it. Only four teams have conceded fewer goals, and none of those four have scored as many as Spurs. And this is all happening with a defence that had barely been introduced to one another before the season began.

Guglielmo Vicario, Destiny Udogie, and Micky van de Ven all made their Premier League debuts in the opening 2-2 draw at Brentford, while Pedro Porro arrived only six months earlier and was widely regarded – by us, mainly – as a carelessly Conte-specific wing-back signing who had no place in any system that called for full-backs instead. Both goals they conceded in that opening game came after Cristian Romero was withdrawn with a head injury.

Romero, handed significant leadership responsibilities as the grown-up in that defence, has flourished as well. He’s in the conversation for best centre-back of the season so far, and only very occasionally these days looks like he’s going to do something absurdly unnecessary involving slide tackles, studs, shins and the halfway line.

We all got so excited to see Spurs finally replace Christian Eriksen and wonder how they might go about replacing Harry Kane that none of us really noticed that on the quiet they’d sneakily and at long last also come up with replacements for peak Lloris, Walker, Rose, Alderweireld and Vertonghen.

 

[worcestersauce]

Of course but some people make very strong statements on the basis of fuck all.

Indeed, when you are changing your opinion in the light of the evidence it is valid to ask how the hell you held such a strong opinion before when you clearly knew bugger all about him.

 

[smallsnc]

"At the absolute heart of this is the fact that what VAR has turned into The Worst Decision Ever would in a pre-VAR or non-VAR world have been a relatively humdrum linesman error. It was a bad offside decision, but not orders of magnitude greater than many, many others. It is the sort of error that would certainly rankle for a while, but also that would be and is seen multiple times in any division in any season. It would be neither here nor there."

Just sayin'...

In addition, play would have been whistled for offside before the shot was even taken.

 

[Japhet]

"At the absolute heart of this is the fact that what VAR has turned into The Worst Decision Ever would in a pre-VAR or non-VAR world have been a relatively humdrum linesman error. It was a bad offside decision, but not orders of magnitude greater than many, many others. It is the sort of error that would certainly rankle for a while, but also that would be and is seen multiple times in any division in any season. It would be neither here nor there."

Just sayin'...

The other thing is that no wrong decision is worse than any other. Whether a player is onside by a yard or an inch, if the decision is wrong one is no worse than the other. It's true that some decisions are more obvious and therefore more avoidable, but the outcome is exactly the same.

 

[kmk]

Tim Sherwood back pedalling.

 

[kmk]

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

It still blows my mind that Keane is a spurs fan.

 

[kmk]

It still blows my mind that Keane is a spurs fan.

That’s why he’s so miserable.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Ranked: Who is the MVP for the top Premier League clubs?

Based on a simple combination of ability and tactical importance, we've ranked the best players in order at the Big Six Premier League clubs.

www.espn.com

Ever wondered which members of a soccer team are the most important? After bringing you the Premier League's depth chart for all 20 squads last month, we have turned our attention to the traditional Big Six clubs in England to assess which players are their leading lights.

Based on a simple combination of ability and tactical importance, those whose role is integral to their team will feature higher in the ranking, while those who play less of a fundamental part will filter toward the bottom. Ultimately, the evaluation is weighted more heavily toward ability than tactical importance, but both have been taken into account. To begin, here are a few notes about the methodology.

Why 15?
Well, with 11 first-team players starting any given match, this should allow for those squad positions that aren't 100% cemented. Any long-term injury absences will be noted separately and not considered for the ranking.

How can you rate the players?
WhoScored has an algorithm that gives an overall number out of 10, but it lends itself more to on-ball actions, while this will be more subjective. "Minutes Played" is obviously a key component of how important a player is to their manager, but slight injury issues can complicate that: we will only use it as a guide.

Are stats involved?
Certainly. We'll look within the context of their position and, for example, will make a case why a striker (Goals, Assists, Key Passes, etc) will rank higher than a teammate.

How hard is it?
Some of the decisions to be made are glaringly obvious, but others not so much. Comparing players across different position groups is a difficult task. Within the context of a squad, though, it's possible to get a feel for who is the most integral, even at this early stage of the season, in order to form the ranking.

I disagree wholeheartedly with your decision to put X below Y. Will you change it?
Of course people will disagree and a lot of this is subjective, but it's only a bit of fun. And look out for another ranking around March when we can see how things have developed.

Enough of that; on with the rankings.


TOTTENHAM

Spurs have enjoyed a brilliant start to the season despite the loss of star striker Harry Kane to Bayern Munich over the summer. New manager Ange Postecoglou has breathed fresh life into the club and radically overhauled the team, meaning our scope to judge the tactical element of this discussion is almost solely based on this season so far.

MISSED THE CUT: Winger Manor Solomon was doing a good job of working his way into the team until a knee injury stopped his progress. Defenders Emerson Royal and Eric Dier may have fallen out of favour but are on standby for this list, too. Experienced winger Ivan Perisic would be on it but is likely to be out for the rest of the season due to injury.

15. Oliver Skipp, MID

Skipp is used mainly as a relief mechanism in midfield late in games, stepping in for the final stretch and adding fresh legs. It's hardly the most expansive role, but he carries it out well.

14. Ben Davies, DEF

Davies looks set to be a squad option for Spurs this season. Postecoglou will be delighted he can call upon such a steady presence if required, and the fact he's left-footed makes him a natural backup to either Micky van de Ven or Destiny Udogie.

13. Pierre-Emile Højberg, MID

Højberg has slipped down the pecking order but has shown in consecutive matches that he can play a pivotal role off the bench. He was linked with a move to Atletico Madrid in the summer and that might well be revived in January but, for now, he's chipping in where and when required.

12. Brennan Johnson, FW

The fact Postecoglou handed the £45m new arrival his first start for Spurs in the north London derby speaks volumes of his faith in him. Sadly any early momentum has been curtailed by an injury, but the signs are that the 22-year-old's importance to the team will grow as the campaign develops.

11. Richarlison, FW

Richarlison always offers a base level of commitment, energy and battling qualities to his team, which are all elements Postecoglou appreciates. The problem comes in front of goal, where he's just not doing the business: One goal from 18 shots doesn't read well, nor does the fact he's underperforming his xG by 1.5 -- the third-worst underperformance in the league. Until this improves, he's far from indispensable.

10. Pape Matar Sarr, MID

Sarr had to wait for a run in the first XI but has taken his opportunity with both hands. His game still needs plenty of refinement -- particularly on shots from distance -- but he has the energy, endeavour and intelligence to rotate in and out of different buildup positions.


9. Dejan Kulusevski, FW

Kulusevski is one of the best ball-carrying wingers in the Premier League, but what really sets him apart from the rest is his decision-making in the final third: It's very rare he's chosen the wrong option. You might be surprised to see him ranked so low (honestly, him ending up here shocked me too) but there's logic to it: Almost every player above him is tactically pivotal with no backups of a similar level, whereas Kulusevski plays in Spurs' deepest position group.

8. Destiny Udogie, DEF

Udogie is some player, that much is already clear. His integration from Serie A side Udinese has been incredibly smooth and a tip of the hat is owed to Postecoglou there. The manager has harnessed the Italy international's incredible ball-carrying skills from deep and made them a key tenet of Spurs' buildup play. No other defender in the squad can offer this.

7. Pedro Porro, DEF

Porro's first half-season at Spurs was mixed, but so far this term he has been consistently excellent. The Spaniard is superb on the ball, great in tight spots and makes smart decisions in every area of the pitch. He was once a part of Manchester City's academy setup and, while his career has taken a few twists since, nowadays he looks like a player Guardiola would turn to without hesitation.

6. Guglielmo Vicario, GK

Kane's summer exit was a sign of a new era dawning at Spurs, but a switch of No. 1 goalkeeper felt almost as significant. With veteran Hugo Lloris axed from the squad, Postecoglou asked for a goalkeeper who was more adept with the ball at his feet, and he certainly got one. Vicario already looks a key piece of the puzzle and none of Tottenham's reserve options can do what he does.

5. Micky van de Ven, DEF

It didn't take long for Spurs fans to get "Jan Vertonghen vibes" from Van de Ven, whose commanding presence at the back is already a big part of this team. He has a good left foot, which can provide balance to the buildup play, and his speed and positional sense are excellent in helping him to make recovery tackles.

4. Cristian Romero, DEF

An unfortunate own goal in the north London derby aside, Romero looks like a changed man this season. He still has the natural aggression which defines his style, but he's channelling it positively and barely committing any fouls at all -- indeed, 13 Spurs players were booked before he was this season. There might be some who would rank Van de Ven above Romero here after the Dutchman's brilliant start, but Romero is still an important anchor in this team and, of course, a World Cup winner. We'll give that pedigree the nod for now.

3. Yves Bissouma, MID

From a bit-part player to key cog, it's been quite the turnaround for Bissouma at Spurs. Postecoglou has decided to run his entire system through the midfielder, and the rewards have been (mostly) bountiful, with the Mali international flashing shades of an old Tottenham favourite, Moussa Dembélé, at times. With Rodrigo Bentancur recovering from a long-term injury, Bissouma appears to be the only player in the squad who can play this incredibly difficult role at the base of midfield.

2. Son Heung-Min, FW

The surplus of attackers that makes Richarlison, Johnson and even Kulusevski somewhat interchangeable doesn't hold Son back because, well, he's Son. A stalwart and now captain of the club, the South Korea international has started the 2023-24 season brilliantly, earning a Premier League Player of the Month nomination for September after scoring an incredible six goals. Be it from the left or up top in place of Kane, he has looked a consistent threat in terms of stretching defences and finding the back of the net.

1. James Maddison, MID

Maddison has been on fire in terms of chance creation and final-third effectiveness so far this season. His five assists lead the league and that's no fluke; in fact, he should probably have more. His 65 shot-creating actions is miles clear of the next contender, Manchester United's Bruno Fernandes, who is on 40.

The fact Maddison has been so effective so quickly is a big part of the reason Spurs have flown up the table. They're not dwelling on the loss of Kane, they're pushing on without him, and that's because the England midfielder has been sensational.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

Tim Sherwood back pedalling.

All things like this reinforce to me is why we struggle to have a great British managers. They are either thick as $#$& or if they're not a star name our chairmen are as thick as @#$& and won't employ them or give them the space and tools to flourish.
As a nation we're not particularly cerebral when it comes to football and we need foreign influence to elevate us.

 

[Mate]

It still blows my mind that Keane is a spurs fan.

To be fair with Keane I agree with his point. Ange didn't have much pressure coming into the job. Our expectation levels were fairly low following Mourinho and Conte, and with Kane leaving probably even lower. Ten Hag (like every manager since Ferguson) is expected not just to play good football but win trophies consistently. That pressure is why no manager has lasted a decent amount of time over there.

 

[Jenko]

To be fair with Keane I agree with his point. Ange didn't have much pressure coming into the job. Our expectation levels were fairly low following Mourinho and Conte, and with Kane leaving probably even lower. Ten Hag (like every manager since Ferguson) is expected not just to play good football but win trophies consistently. That pressure is why no manager has lasted a decent amount of time over there.

Yeah, you're right. But typical Keane couldn't just say that, he turns it into a put down of Tottenham while having the row.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

That's the job of a "pundit". Especially those on talksport. They do it to garner reactions from fans for clicks and hits. Research or no research.

I like when they go back on that and realise they were wrong. It's the ones who stubbornly stay with that original view point that annoy me.

Known accepts he was wrong and has rightly praised Ange and us.

Giving an opinion before the season starts and then going back to recover that position is fine with me - it's pretty much what every Fantasy Football player does! You pick a team, and 3 weeks in half those players have been subbed out and you've a totally different set up.

 

[Marauder]

Tim Sherwood back pedalling.

Completely agree though that as good as we have been so far, we will be even better with Kane in the side.

We should loan him back in January for the 2nd half of the season and then push on and win the title!