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ealingspur

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Before I get into the nuts and bolts of this thread, I realise that we're fourth, and had u been asked at the beginning of the season, you would have taken it. I also realise that we could still make third on the last day, and have more of a chance of getting 3 points than arsenal do.

But, here is my gripe. Harry redknapp has assembled a great team, full of great players. There's no doubt in my mind that a lot of that is down to him. However, he hasnt coached them. He keeps them fit, but he doesnt actually coach them.

A list of all very coachable things that, over the course of the season, seems to have been lost on him:
a) corners + free. we had 19 corners today. how can we, with not a particularly small team, have such a bad ratio? yesterday, when arsenal were really going for it, they put 8 people in the box for a free kick and benayoun won the header. We invariable have bale going near post, ade and the two defenders and thats it.

b) movement. we have decent approach play, but that must be distinguished with penetration. Sandro changes things, but when we wasnt really playing, and ade drifts out wide so often, we have no penetrating threat through the middle. People complain about bale drifting off to the middle, but if he didnt, we would have nothing there.

c) movement II. When we do approach, rarely do we see off the ball movement that free themselves in advanced positions. The sheer number of times I've seen players on the edge of the box staying on the edge of the box instead of making inroads towards goal is infuriating.

Now, onto today's performance. Clearly, Redknapp was happy with the draw, which drew red-eyes of anger from me. As spursking said, this is one of the biggest games in our history, up against a team playing 8 defenders and couldnt attack to save their lives. We get a fortunate penalty goal, and then with the wind in our sails, what do we do? nothing.

It was painfully obvious to almost everyone that a striker ought to be brought on. Someone who gave another option. Defoe to turn and shoot or Saha to work with Ade. Either one really. Instead he bottled it and brought on parker in a move that one can only assume was to defend the draw. The players on the pitch clearly didnt want to play for the draw, but those were the signals from the manager and his decision-making.

It was heartbreaking. He has assembled a very good team, but he himself is not a good coach, and needs to go.
 

beats1

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A statistic that does not make for a good reading is the statistic that villa have conceded more goals than any other team in the prem league this season and tbh they did look weak today at corners but we had no one attacking them

I mean there was no one attacking given and all he had to do is catch the ball comfortably
 

guiltyparty

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Don't think the penalty was fortunate, it was a penalty

Not sure Defoe would have had any joy in that game. He needs time and space, and they were defending so deep, he would have just done his shift-and-shoot into the wall of players again and again. I thought the Parker sub was bizarre tho

I actually thought we had a real go when we were down to 10. Away, against a team spilling blood to fight relegation, and in a game where we didn't really get the rub of the green, epitomised by their goal. I would have been tempted to go home then as a player, frankly

Going down to 10 limited Harry's options, as we could easily have brought on a striker and got caught, as Villa looked dangerous on the break. Disappointed but I'm not sure we could have done a hell of a lot more. I know I sound like Harry, but still. I just thought we lacked composure, we had the chances. Bale, VDV, Adebayor, Modric - all should have buried chances
 

hybridsoldier

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Mate this is the best post I have read in ages, you have hit the nail so much on the head it has come out the other side.

This is why we keep hearing murmurs of the Director of Football / Head Coach structure being revived, and honestly I think it may be the way to go
 

ealingspur

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Don't think the penalty was fortunate, it was a penalty

Not sure Defoe would have had any joy in that game. He needs time and space, and they were defending so deep, he would have just done his shift-and-shoot into the wall of players again and again. I thought the Parker sub was bizarre tho

I actually thought we had a real go when we were down to 10. Away, against a team spilling blood to fight relegation, and in a game where we didn't really get the rub of the green, epitomised by their goal. I would have been tempted to go home then as a player, frankly

Going down to 10 limited Harry's options, as we could easily have brought on a striker and got caught, as Villa looked dangerous on the break. Disappointed but I'm not sure we could have done a hell of a lot more. I know I sound like Harry, but still. I just thought we lacked composure, we had the chances. Bale, VDV, Adebayor, Modric - all should have buried chances

The penalty was more fortunate in terms of the fact that sandro wasnt exactly veering towards goal, but in fact going away from it. And replays showed that it wasnt as clear cut as I first thought.

Villa aren't a team spilling blood in any other game this season except for today. And at no point did they look dangerous on the break except for when friedel took out their striker. But even then it was a long hopeful ball on their part.

With respect to defoe, you coach your team in learning how to create space. Space doesnt simply exist, it is made. Saha was another option from the bench that he overlooked. And he replaced VDV (an attacking player) with parker (a defensive player) - what message does that give your players?
 

hybridsoldier

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In the first half of the season the off-the-ball movement was brilliant, but its just disappeared.

Fulham are better away from home under Jol and we have got one helluva game on our hands next week
 

guiltyparty

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The penalty was more fortunate in terms of the fact that sandro wasnt exactly veering towards goal, but in fact going away from it. And replays showed that it wasnt as clear cut as I first thought.

Villa aren't a team spilling blood in any other game this season except for today. And at no point did they look dangerous on the break except for when friedel took out their striker. But even then it was a long hopeful ball on their part.

With respect to defoe, you coach your team in learning how to create space. Space doesnt simply exist, it is made. Saha was another option from the bench that he overlooked. And he replaced VDV (an attacking player) with parker (a defensive player) - what message does that give your players?

I agree on the Parker sub, as I said. I would have gone with Saha, myself

I disagree, I thought Villa did look dangerous on the break when we were a player down. They defended incredibly well as a team, but yet got players forward still. They were not camped, they were looking to break, be it Ireland or Nzogbia. I didn't say they spilled blood in any other games, I said they were today. They just kept getting bodies in the way.

I just don't get this Defoe attitude, like he's going to come on and be a different player from what we know he will be. He has qualities - creating space in front of banks of players is not one of them, and I'm not sure you can change that at his age
 

nightgoat

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In the first half of the season the off-the-ball movement was brilliant, but its just disappeared.

Fulham are better away from home under Jol and we have got one helluva game on our hands next week

Won four, drawn five, lost nine. Scored 12, conceded 23. It's not exactly amazing, really. Only Villa, QPR, Blackburn and Wolves have won fewer away games.
 

coffer

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We are still in the running had you given me this at the start of the season I would have taken it! We will win next week Arse will draw, the barcodes will loose. CL next season start making your plans.
 

guiltyparty

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We are still in the running had you given me this at the start of the season I would have taken it! We will win next week Arse will draw, the barcodes will loose. CL next season start making your plans.

I actually quite fancy Arsenal to draw. However, I'd be lying if I said I thought we'd beat Fulham. Is going to be a horrible game. No favours from Jol
 

Destroyer

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he replaced VDV (an attacking player) with parker (a defensive player) - what message does that give your players?

How about what message does that give the fans too ?? Surely the most negative & confusing tactical decision i can remember since Redknapp has been in charge where we are dominating a game so much & need the points ?? He had nothing to lose by throwing on a striker, even if we hadnt scored & Villa ran up the other end on the counter & won it we'd still be in virually the same position ?? The only thinking i can get is that Harry gambled on Arsenal will only get a point at WBA & we will win at home next week - a massive gamble, could prove to be as wreckless as Danny Rose's tackle.
 

double0

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I agree Defoe should not have been used his more like to shot and miss giving possession away. But It was typical Spurs one miight say... the ball was in our court, yet our mental strength avades us.

Hold on...10 men. 1 nil down away from home. To come back and draw maybe not bad for us considering our histroy.
 

StartingPrice

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I blame Hitler...he invaded Poland (Jenas was spotted hitching a lift on the back of a Panzer)!
 

robin09

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We have Clive Allen, Bond, Jordan and umpteen ex-players coaching.

And none of them have managed to get on the training pitch and write a list of players who, in order, should be responsible for taking free-kicks. And then practicing set pieces until we know what the plan is - depending on the position of the free kick. We hardly ever put the ball in the box from free kicks, we shoot from everywhere.

We've only recently actually managed to get a full time corner taker in VDV!


Apart from those things, which to a degree have inexplicably plagued us under every manager for the last 10 years, I think we clearly lack an attacking option or two on the bench to change things. Defoe and Saha aren't enough.

If Harry is given money to spend this summer, he'll have no excuses next season.

Harry shouldn't be fired, he needs to be backed in the transfer market.
 

Dundalk_Spur

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As the commentator said towards the 80th minute, Redknapp doesnt know what to do and he has just left them at it.

No ideas on the pitch and no leadership off it. A huge chance missed today.
 

Stoof

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I think we should guess what goes on at training because that's a productive way to level criticism.

Just to play Devil's Advocate (and because I disagree), can anyone produce statistics of how many goals (as a percentage) are scored from corners (compared from open play).

Because I don't reckon it's very many and because I think people probably work on defending them a bit more.
 
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