Which London Club is the biggest?

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Just as football and the PL was exploding worldwide - we had Sugar and his frankly astounding lack of vision or planning. We've been trying to catch up ever since.

No, it wasn't being close to bankruptcy that set us back, it was the way Sugar ran the club for the next ten years - he treated people around the club awfully, those who worked there, ex-players, the club became a shell with no heart or soul. He was a disaster.

I agree he made some poor decisions with appointments of managers but i believe he saved us from oblivion.
He steadied a rapidly sinking ship, he put us back into credit financially and he sold us on to the right owner once he'd done what was needed.
I don't believe he ever did anything other than try to do what was best for the clubs future first and foremost and, if that resulted in sacking venables and upsetting ruddock then so be it.
We nearly had a 12 point deduction in 94/95 don't forget. We'd have been dicing with relegation if that stayed.
As for foresight, was it not Sugar's Amstrad boxes in everyones homes watching the newly formed PL on the new Sky Sports channel?

 

[danielneeds]

I agree he made some poor decisions with appointments of managers but i believe he saved us from oblivion.
He steadied a rapidly sinking ship, he put us back into credit financially and he sold us on to the right owner once he'd done what was needed.
I don't believe he ever did anything other than try to do what was best for the clubs future first and foremost and, if that resulted in sacking venables and upsetting ruddock then so be it.
We nearly had a 12 point deduction in 94/95 don't forget. We'd have been dicing with relegation if that stayed.
As for foresight, was it not Sugar's Amstrad boxes in everyones homes watching the newly formed PL on the new Sky Sports channel?

I don't want to get into it too much, because as a poster above said, it's a topic which has been done to death on here, but yes he saved us from a tough spot and should always receive praise for that. But the way he operated the club was abominable, and I've spoken to people who worked there who told me some horrible things.

As for selling to the right owner - let's not forget he only sold because he grew "sick of the abuse" he was getting. And there is no real evidence that he wouldn't have sold to any schlub who paid the right price.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

I agree he made some poor decisions with appointments of managers but i believe he saved us from oblivion.
He steadied a rapidly sinking ship, he put us back into credit financially and he sold us on to the right owner once he'd done what was needed.
I don't believe he ever did anything other than try to do what was best for the clubs future first and foremost and, if that resulted in sacking venables and upsetting ruddock then so be it.
We nearly had a 12 point deduction in 94/95 don't forget. We'd have been dicing with relegation if that stayed.
As for foresight, was it not Sugar's Amstrad boxes in everyones homes watching the newly formed PL on the new Sky Sports channel?

There was no heart or quality at the club for the duration of his reign. The 90's was a decade to forget for this football club, with the exception of 1999 League cup success. everything else was turgid, insipid and shite..

 

[KentuckyYid]

Nothing we didn't know already. I'm the last 20 years both Arsenal and Chelsea have won far more than us and competed in the CL most years.

As far as I'm concerned though, Arsenal and Chelsea having a far larger social media following just means they are followed by more tedious, narcissistic twats than we are, so all good on that front .

It's all a load of bollocks though. Fake followers and fake fans

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[SugarRay]

The major trophy totals are incorrect as in no way shape or form is the charity shield a major trophy! Neither is the Fairs Cup ( an invitational tournament where London FC once played in the final of...sorry Toon fans, their last "major" trophy )

Arsenal actually have 28 major honours, Chelsea 21, we are on 17 and West Ham, well, in any debate about London clubs, it ends after them 3 clubs are mentioned

Seeing as they are mentioned on this thread though why not include them? They have 4. That's one less than 'Wanderers' who folded 130 years ago

 

[tiger666]

The major trophy totals are incorrect as in no way shape or form is the charity shield a major trophy! Neither is the Fairs Cup ( an invitational tournament where London FC once played in the final of...sorry Toon fans, their last "major" trophy )

Arsenal actually have 28 major honours, Chelsea 21, we are on 17 and West Ham, well, in any debate about London clubs, it ends after them 3 clubs are mentioned

Seeing as they are mentioned on this thread though why not include them? They have 4. That's one less than 'Wanderers' who folded 130 years ago

But they won the world cup remember?

 

[sunnydelight786]

True. I think the goons had the vision and Chelsea the money (albeit through staggering amounts of debt snd then Roman soon after Sugar sold us).

The financial mare that was the turn of the 90s was really what set us back. A lot of people forget how close we were to bankruptcy, and I was only 2 at the time!
I think that was/has always been in the back Sugar's/Levy's minds, but yeah the lack of vision post Klinsmann pretty much killed us that decade and most of the 00s.

Levy's field trips across Europe after sacking Hoddle (2003/04) was the turn against the tide for me, with Jol being the man who got the rebuild going and really restored some pride.

They both had something which we didn't have back then or even now, regular trophies. CFC took a turn for the better from Hoddle's appointment onwards (1993) and AFC have pretty much always been around the top half from GG days in the late 80's. When you add AFC regular trophies from then, CFC from late 90's then you see why we have been left behind.
Even now clowns amongst our support treasure a 4th place finish over winning a trophy. History remembers winning teams not also rans!!!

 

[Nerine]

What a shit article.

 

[Sid Tottenham]

Tottenham well it woulda been if some **** hadn't moved their crappy little club from Woolwich to a couple of miles up the road nicking half our fan base, and it wouldn't even be close.
We'd be the biggest in England as well, the arse fans can snear and laugh at us but they're from a lineage of turncoats and scabs who sold out their local team.
They could of had so much more

Imma quote my own post
Like no one responded to it and I think it's a relevant post
What woulda happened if they didn't move?
I think we woulda been the biggest club in Europe the stadium would need 100k +
Pretty much win everything every year
Having said that we would all turn into United fans with a horrible sense of entitlement and be wankers
But weirdly I'd miss being us
I like us

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

It's all a load of bollocks though. Fake followers and fake fans View attachment 27906 .
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I don't think you understand those numbers...their social media presence still dwarfs Spurs.

 

[Sid Tottenham]

Mate I'm older than most I'm in my forties I can remeber Chelsea getting like 6000 fans they're fk all
They're financially doped they've only just took us over in terms of trophies
It only took a billion pound loan from a fkn Russian crook to do it
Who cares how many fans they picked up from Africa because of drogba it really means fk all
That crook will keep them propped up anyway
Same as man city although I have less disdain for them

At least they pulled in 30k in the 3rd tier but still financially doped now
How have these clubs come from nowhere to like earning massive sponsorship deals selling players like Luiz and Oscar for like outrageous amounts to other doped clubs to keep them in line with ffp its fisher than john Terry's dick
to steal a phrase

 

[tiger666]

Some real bitterness in here

 

[sunnydelight786]

Some real bitterness in here

Embarrassing some of the responses on here. It is pretty simple really, start winning cups/Leagues and the money/fans/adulation/respect/envy/status will follow. The last really big honor, FA cup/League/European trophy, we won was 26 years ago, yes TWENTY SIX years ago. Even before RA had taken them over CFC had reached 4 FA cup finals since our last visit!!!

 

[arunspurs]

Chelsea will have the best stadium design though...

 

[Shanks]

Champions League football has a lot to say for things like shirt sales and social media following.

I went to Brazil a few years back (when Gomes was our keeper), hardly anyone had heard of Tottenham, they only knew about Arsenal, Man United, Chelsea and Liverpool - mostly because of the Champions League matches.

Which kinda got me thinking about this stuff, we are and have been a middle of hte table club, so outside of our own little bubble, or unless you really followed english football, we were in the same league due to our none showing in the SL for so many years.

Whilst we have a rich history which we are very proud of, we don't really have a great modern history (say last 25 years or so), where as the other 2 - Chelsea/Arsenal have won a fair amount and regularly featured in the CL.

It's a bit of a nothing story though, what does it matter who is the 'biggest' club, for me and my personal preferences Tottenham is the biggest and best club in the world, but they are my team that I follow and support, couldn't give a fuck about anyone elses size.

We are getting bigger and better with each season though, this new stadium really could be a game changer, and we've done it the 'right' way too (although Arsenal have done it the right way as well, taking rivaly hat off for a moment).