Who is the player (or players) that so far THIS SEASON has disappointed/underwhelmed you the most?

[Spurs_Bear]

Bale has obviously been disappointing, but I thought he actually looked sharper when he first turned up.

 

[dudu]

Not sure, I doubt whether many people had very high expectations after last season so I also doubt whether many people are disappointed THIS season. For me he has done alright so far this season and he has clearly upped his game, but there is still a lot of room for improvement.

Anyone who has 'a lot of room for improvement' in their byline surely is a disappointment. I am still disappointed from last season - the improvement is not enough for me.

Our creative central midfield spot is wide open for anyone who wants to step up and take their chance when given.

 

[TheTanguy]

Anyone who has 'a lot of room for improvement' in their byline surely is a disappointment.

Not really, all it says in this case is that he has got a very high ceiling and that he hasn't reached it yet, which is perfectly normal for a 23 year old who grew up in a completely different (football) environment. Same can be said about Reguilon and I certainly wouldn't call him a disappointment either.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

My list would be to long.

So I will say I don’t think it’s necessary the players themselves, but more how they’re instructed to play.

Or at least that’s what I’m telling myself and hoping for.

We have incredible footballers. Let them play.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Not really, all it says in this case is that he has got a very high ceiling and that he hasn't reached it yet, which is perfectly normal for a 23 year old who grew up in a completely different (football) environment. Same can be said about Reguillon and I certainly wouldn't call him a disappointment either.

The point of the thread is who has underwhelmed you. He clearly hasn't underwhelmed you, which is great. But for others he has.

For me, I totally agree Tanguy has loads of potential. However, I can't help but be underwhelmed by many of his performances. A moment of cleverness doesn't make up for longer periods he fails to impose himself on the game. Which is what JM tactics require. Will he get there? Perhaps, probably, maybe. But he leaves me generally non plussed, when I want to be plussed. Hence the underwhelmed.

A touch nuanced as it's what your own expectations of a player are. It doesn't mean I think for example, Sissoko is a better player as I haven't included him as being underwhelming. As @Insomnia pointed out, I am not underwhelmed by him as I know what I'm getting (albeit that was about moura). If anything, it's a compliment to Tanguy that some of us can see he should / could/ perhaps be delivering more.

He isn't alone in that respect. Lo celso, winks and Dele in particular fall in this category for me personally. Although poor old Winks is quickly falling into the category of no expectations.

 

[dudu]

Not really, all it says in this case is that he has got a very high ceiling and that he hasn't reached it yet, which is perfectly normal for a 23 year old who grew up in a completely different (football) environment. Same can be said about Reguillon and I certainly wouldn't call him a disappointment either.

I'm not disappointed that he hasn't reached his ceiling.

There have been very few games (not moments in games) where I have come away and not been disappointed by his performance. I'm just being honest. I watch him intently and yes, I am sometimes wowed by his skill on the ball, but overall, I am disappointed with what he produces for us on and off the ball.

Overall I am not disappointed with Reguillion though I have felt like he has struggled somewhat in his previous couple of performances.

 

[Phil-spur99]

Maybe because this thread is about the players who have disappointed/ underwhelmed. What you've stated about Lucas the majority of Spurs fans have come to expect, therefore, it's standard Moura imo

You can still be justifiably disappointed by a player’s lack of development or improvement season to season.

 

[GutBucket]

Doherty, brought me many points in fantasy league last season. Bale too, doesn't have that killer instinct anymore. Maybe if we played more attacking football players would look better though, except our defenders.

 

[the yid]

Bale, Bergwijn, Lucas, Lamela, Lo Celso, Sanchez, Dier, Hart, Doherty.

Baffled at the Ndombele, Reguilon and Toby comments

 

[max cady]

For me its:
Bale - we wished for it so much that we have now been disappointed, like Dele's brother maybe we got Bale's.
Rose - rather than fight for his position he just sitting there cleaning up by accepting his wages every week, I really do not like that.
Sanchez - for what we paid and the talent he has he has not really moved forward at all considering he has had Jan & Toby by his side.
Doherty - whoever bought him saw something we haven't seen yet.
Gedson - Has not once impressed me.
Lucas - going backwards since champ lge.
Stevie B - mojo appears to be lost seen a lot of this kid in the dutch lge and he was very very good.
Sissoko - has the tendency to be cumbersome.
Dele - where has he gone, maybe a case of to much to early.
Jack Clarke - so much was said of this kid I haven't seen any of it yet
Gio & Tanguy - need to pick it up a bit if we are to serious challengers.
Lamela - unreliable cocktail sticks for legs i can't think of another team that has such an injury prone player for as long as we have had Lamela.

 

[TwanYid]

I know I got a lot of possibly-deserved flack for calling out Toby (when even I admitted he's been pretty good this year) but my main gripe was about the set pieces, which are killing us. C'mon: who doesn't hold their breath and count backwards from ten every fucking time we're whistled outside the area, or give up a corner or whatever...and isn't that at least partially down to our (de facto) CB captain to help sort out/stop? Am I wrong? Serious question- I never played soccer and have learned everything just by watching it and falling deeply in love w/Spurs around 2003 (don't ask why...it's a long story).

Anyway- funny enough- my son is 8 and honestly (I swear I'm not being "proud papa" here) my kid is good. He's a way better athlete than I ever was and I made him- a born righty- be left footed (I literally forced him into it/fooled him into it starting at age two to the point where he just thought that his left was his "kicking foot"-- and he is now the captain of what [for us here in New York City] is a fairly high level travel team- not to mention one of only two "lefties" on the squad-- and in the open field he nutmegs kids and goes past them like they're orange cones. If you watched his games you'd clearly see that my son and one other kid are heads and tails above the other kids on the team. He loves soccer- and Spurs- as much as I do; the boy's a fucking DIEHARD Yiddo. Ok so what's my point- wtf does this have to do with Toby Alderweireld lol?

Well, my son, as good as he is driving forward offensively- is not a good defender. He plays Left Back when their coach want to close out games they're winning (with the other talented kid moved to Right Back) primarily because- at the very least- when it comes to defense my son's high "soccer IQ" means that he doesn't (usually) make horrifically stupid mistakes (like tepidly passing it back to the Keeper with opposing players hovering around just waiting for one of our kids to panic and do just that)- and so he does what he can, getting stuck-in and trying but mostly getting by-passed and ending up chasing the opposing player from behind and funneling it out for a corner for them. Basically, it's damage-control defending most of the time-- particularly if the opposing player is any good.

So, in sum, my son is (relatively) talented- and some of it is definitely down to me- a guy who never so much as kicked a soccer ball as a child and who- these days- only does Judo- yet who was actually able to teach my 3-4-5-6-7 year old son basic soccer skills (passing with the inside of your foot, "snapping" the foot a quarter-turn from "toes-pointed-straight-on" to "foot-sideways" a millisecond before making contact with the ball, one-touch passing, using both feet, passing with the outside of the boot, and so on) without even looking at YouTube for ideas. I've been able to help him with his power and his accuracy (plus like I said he's 100% lefty lower-body-wise: surfs goofy foot, puts his left foot up on a bike to get it started, kicks an American football with his left foot, plays Judo lefty, etc.-- he's completely lower-half lefty)- and having coached other sports I could literally intuit what we needed to work on offensively whenever he and I would practice at the park. Anyway, the absurdly long-winded humble-brag I've just put you lot through is finally going to be justified...I promise.

I knew (at least on a low/child-beginner's level) how to get him better offensively just through sheer watching so much Tottenham over the years. However- I didn't- and don't- have ANY idea about defense: how to coach it, what to stress, how to see it, what the fundamentals are, etc.,-- so here I am criticizing one of the world's best Center Backs because to my (feeble) mind it's "his" (Toby's) job to deal with free kicks and since we suck at defending them then he must be a major component of that suckitude. Am I wrong? Is Alderweireld not to blame? Is this not really his job? Is my (admitted) soccer ignorance producing opinion-piece drivel? Or am I correct in thinking that Toby needs to help get this sorted- sharpish- and that, indeed, the fact that he hasn't yet done that merits a "disappointed"-rating?

Apologies for the Dickens-length post; my larger point is that I just want to begin fathoming the other, darker, less obvious side of football: that of defending. I realize that there's far more to it than meets the eye (particularly the untrained eye), which is why I'm asking for help. Doesn't VVD take charge of set pieces for the scousers? And isn't Toby our "VVD?"`

What am I not getting?

 

[handsomecake]

GLC.

Not what I thought we were buying.

 

[dvdhopeful]

I'd be fascinated to see the responses if this thread had been started before Palace....

 

[Insomnia]

I'd be fascinated to see the responses if this thread had been started before Palace....

ffs Dele?

 

[soflapaul]

For most players, their game has improved post Poch since much of that came down to mentality. (with a few notable exceptions) For me, it's Sanchez even though that assessment is based on more than one year. His potential looked so high but his failed to adapt his game to the new tactics. All along, i thought he was one of those players who would especially benefit with Jose's tutelage. Love the player and hope he still comes good but i had very high expectations for him under Jose

 

[ralvy]

Doherty: I've yet to see that player Mou seemed to be so afraid of in the amazon series.

 

[stormfly]

Kane and Son, I thought they’d have more goals and assists by now.

 

[Bobby TwoShots]

Kane and Son, I thought they’d have more goals and assists by now.

Yeah, get rid

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Threads like this are funny just to see some opinions some actually hold, and that’s coming from me ?

 

[TPdYID]

I know I got a lot of possibly-deserved flack for calling out Toby (when even I admitted he's been pretty good this year) but my main gripe was about the set pieces, which are killing us. C'mon: who doesn't hold their breath and count backwards from ten every fucking time we're whistled outside the area, or give up a corner or whatever...and isn't that at least partially down to our (de facto) CB captain to help sort out/stop? Am I wrong? Serious question- I never played soccer and have learned everything just by watching it and falling deeply in love w/Spurs around 2003 (don't ask why...it's a long story).

Anyway- funny enough- my son is 8 and honestly (I swear I'm not being "proud papa" here) my kid is good. He's a way better athlete than I ever was and I made him- a born righty- be left footed (I literally forced him into it/fooled him into it starting at age two to the point where he just thought that his left was his "kicking foot"-- and he is now the captain of what [for us here in New York City] is a fairly high level travel team- not to mention one of only two "lefties" on the squad-- and in the open field he nutmegs kids and goes past them like they're orange cones. If you watched his games you'd clearly see that my son and one other kid are heads and tails above the other kids on the team. He loves soccer- and Spurs- as much as I do; the boy's a fucking DIEHARD Yiddo. Ok so what's my point- wtf does this have to do with Toby Alderweireld lol?

Well, my son, as good as he is driving forward offensively- is not a good defender. He plays Left Back when their coach want to close out games they're winning (with the other talented kid moved to Right Back) primarily because- at the very least- when it comes to defense my son's high "soccer IQ" means that he doesn't (usually) make horrifically stupid mistakes (like tepidly passing it back to the Keeper with opposing players hovering around just waiting for one of our kids to panic and do just that)- and so he does what he can, getting stuck-in and trying but mostly getting by-passed and ending up chasing the opposing player from behind and funneling it out for a corner for them. Basically, it's damage-control defending most of the time-- particularly if the opposing player is any good.

So, in sum, my son is (relatively) talented- and some of it is definitely down to me- a guy who never so much as kicked a soccer ball as a child and who- these days- only does Judo- yet who was actually able to teach my 3-4-5-6-7 year old son basic soccer skills (passing with the inside of your foot, "snapping" the foot a quarter-turn from "toes-pointed-straight-on" to "foot-sideways" a millisecond before making contact with the ball, one-touch passing, using both feet, passing with the outside of the boot, and so on) without even looking at YouTube for ideas. I've been able to help him with his power and his accuracy (plus like I said he's 100% lefty lower-body-wise: surfs goofy foot, puts his left foot up on a bike to get it started, kicks an American football with his left foot, plays Judo lefty, etc.-- he's completely lower-half lefty)- and having coached other sports I could literally intuit what we needed to work on offensively whenever he and I would practice at the park. Anyway, the absurdly long-winded humble-brag I've just put you lot through is finally going to be justified...I promise.

I knew (at least on a low/child-beginner's level) how to get him better offensively just through sheer watching so much Tottenham over the years. However- I didn't- and don't- have ANY idea about defense: how to coach it, what to stress, how to see it, what the fundamentals are, etc.,-- so here I am criticizing one of the world's best Center Backs because to my (feeble) mind it's "his" (Toby's) job to deal with free kicks and since we suck at defending them then he must be a major component of that suckitude. Am I wrong? Is Alderweireld not to blame? Is this not really his job? Is my (admitted) soccer ignorance producing opinion-piece drivel? Or am I correct in thinking that Toby needs to help get this sorted- sharpish- and that, indeed, the fact that he hasn't yet done that merits a "disappointed"-rating?

Apologies for the Dickens-length post; my larger point is that I just want to begin fathoming the other, darker, less obvious side of football: that of defending. I realize that there's far more to it than meets the eye (particularly the untrained eye), which is why I'm asking for help. Doesn't VVD take charge of set pieces for the scousers? And isn't Toby our "VVD?"`

What am I not getting?

So to summarise your evil plan was to bash Toby in the view of getting your son a trial for SC?