Who's your player of the season so far?

[sloth]

I've kept away from the Berbati baiting in the past, mainly because i like having him on the forum and because he's got a good sense of humour but this was a step too far...

However, the team began to win when Berbatov began to produce the goods, i.e. when his bad period was over. Leave aside his goals against Pompy and Reading, and Spurs would still struggle to avoid a relegation battle. Would Spurs reach the CC final without his world class performances against Man City and Arsenal away? And would they still be in the UEFA Cup tournament?

What planet on you on man? Berbatov improved when the team started to improve, but even so he hasn't even been the best player of the last few weeks. He's genius, no doubt about it, but he's a lazy, sulky, spirit dampening mofo too. For every game he's been the star there have been two more this season when he's brought the side's collective spirit down, that ratio's dropped to about one-in-three recently and we can only hope Ramos' message that the team is the star will sink further in and we'll see less of the flouncy little foot-stamping episodes when a team-mate who's played better than him for the majority of the game plays one pass that goes awry.

Seriously, his only saving grace is his genius, because if I was his team-mate I'd be seriously pissed off as I hared around closing people down, putting in the miles to ensure we were in with a shout, if Berbatov just stopped and did his little jump and looked in the air as the opposite player strolls past him with the ball at his feet because the pass wasn't inch perfect. Especially pissed off as his genius only blows hot and cold and he probably gives the ball away more often than any other player.

In short, Berbatov's an asset, but he's also a liability, he's the potential to be the best in the world but he as often brings the side down. Sort out his attitude and i'd agree with your assessment Berbati, but if he doesn't I for one won't be crying if we make a big profit on him this summer.

 

[Flatters]

I'm a fan of Barca and of all teams in which Berba plays bar (his possible future team) Real.

That's a bit weird, but fair enough. You don't really strike me as much of a Tottenham fan as you seem to want him out of the door and at the better club.

 

[walworthyid]

You know what each of them - Steed, Keano, and Berba - has done so far this season. Now, suppose that one of them could have missed all games until now due to injuries and you have to choose whose absence would have been less harmful for the team. At the start of the season all you would have said that Steed wouldn't be as useful as Keane and Berba. Now many fans would leave out Keane or Berba.

That's an interesting question as its answer would reveal your opinion about the real impact that those players have had on the performances of the team so far.

No question, Steed and Keano have been more consistent. However, the team began to win when Berbatov began to produce the goods, i.e. when his bad period was over. Leave aside his goals against Pompy and Reading, and Spurs would still struggle to avoid a relegation battle. Would Spurs reach the CC final without his world class performances against Man City and Arsenal away? And would they still be in the UEFA Cup tournament?

So you have the consistent and enjoing amazing workrate Steed, Keane who has scored 18 goals so far and Berbatov who has scored 14 goals and made 14 assists.

If you have to choose who among them had to miss the season so far, what would be your choice, given that you already know how each of them has played in these months?

I think that Steeeeeeeeeeeeed has had the least impact on the season among these three players. I can imagine how Spurs reach the final of CC and continue for the UEFA Cup without Steed but not without Berbatov and Keane.

You have started this thread in an attempt to persuade everbody else to have your opinion, NOT, to have a debate.

There is no question that without Berbo we would be in deep, deep shit this season. When he is playing we always have a goal threat. He is a fantastic player.

The problem with your argument is that you seem to see football only in terms of goals scored. From that point of view Berbo contributes the most to our team and therefore has been the player of the season so far. So yes, you are quite right.

However, there have been many games, particularly away from home, where Berbo has been anonymous. In those games we have needed to work hard and despite the 2 goals we may have scored, without the hard working players we would have conceded 5 or more. Berbo is many things but defending is not his job or his strong point. Steed has quite literally run himself into the ground in EVERY single match he has played. He has tackled more than anybody else, he has hustled and harried more than anybody else and there have been many games, at the beginning of the season, where he was the only person who kept us going.

So rather than trying to shove your rather simplistic point of view down every body else's throat, why don't you take the time to take into account something that you have already admitted, namely that "the notion of player of the season" is rather ambiguous and open to interpretation.

For me, Berbo is our most important player, but Steed's contribution to the season has been the greatest and deserves to be recognised. Not only has he worked his nuts off he has also scored or set up at least 10 goals.

 

[Netty]

Berbati - would you not say that your opinion was somewhat biased on the basis that you support a player & not the team like the rest of us fans? Berbatov is probably my favourite player at Spurs but that doesn't mean he automatically qualifys for player of the season. How can we take your points seriously when you're so obviously in love with this guy?

 

[Yid-ol]

is this all because people are voting steed player of the season? and you have gone into a hissy fit and made this thread to try and big up berabtov (who just about everyone thinks is our best player) ... it is really ashame such a great player has such twats devoting there lives to him and making him look bad

 

[Stoof]

I think most fans who think Steed is the player of the season so far think they have really good reasons to think so.

No we have reasons. That are justified.

I want to show that they are deluded about that. And I have succeeded, haven't I?

No. You've just shown yourself up further by persisting with your "Berbatov is Tottenham" propaganda.

I thought I recognised you ...

Spoiler

Please cease and desist.

 

[walworthyid]

No we have reasons. That are justified.



No. You've just shown yourself up further by persisting with your "Berbatov is Tottenham" propaganda.

I thought I recognised you ...

Spoiler

Please cease and desist.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Stoof you are the high wizard of funny shit!

 

[Dougal]

I'll have to admit, Berbati has brought me round to his way of thinking. I did say Steed was my player of the year but I'm changing it now. To Robbie Keane. Cos I like him best and anyone with a different opinion should change it to match mine.

 

[DogsOfWar]

Is there anybody who can argue that Spurs without Steed would have been less successful than Spurs without Keane or Berbatov?

I think, the answer is NO. Thank you :lol:

Just to play devil's advocate.

Had we not had Keane and Berbatov we could have still played Defoe and Bent which most Premiership teams would take any day of the week.

Had we not had Malbranque, with Bale injured, we would have had no left midfielder all season.

As a result we may have actually been more successful with Malbranque.

 

[Berbati]

Thank you for the responses fellas. Some of them deserve answer. The other express just feelings, some substantiated with a good sense of humour :up:

You have started this thread in an attempt to persuade everbody else to have your opinion, NOT, to have a debate.

There is no question that without Berbo we would be in deep, deep shit this season. When he is playing we always have a goal threat. He is a fantastic player.

The problem with your argument is that you seem to see football only in terms of goals scored. From that point of view Berbo contributes the most to our team and therefore has been the player of the season so far. So yes, you are quite right.

However, there have been many games, particularly away from home, where Berbo has been anonymous. In those games we have needed to work hard and despite the 2 goals we may have scored, without the hard working players we would have conceded 5 or more. Berbo is many things but defending is not his job or his strong point. Steed has quite literally run himself into the ground in EVERY single match he has played. He has tackled more than anybody else, he has hustled and harried more than anybody else and there have been many games, at the beginning of the season, where he was the only person who kept us going.

So rather than trying to shove your rather simplistic point of view down every body else's throat, why don't you take the time to take into account something that you have already admitted, namely that "the notion of player of the season" is rather ambiguous and open to interpretation.

For me, Berbo is our most important player, but Steed's contribution to the season has been the greatest and deserves to be recognised. Not only has he worked his nuts off he has also scored or set up at least 10 goals.

That's the only post that seriously try to defend the view that Steed deserves to be Spurs player of the season. Thank you mate:up:

Before answering your argument, I'd like to ask you whether it's a correct summary of your post to say the following:

Without Berbatov Spurs would be "in deep, deep shit this season", but without Steed whose contribution has been the greatest, Spurs would be in even deeper shit? Is that a correct summary of what you try to tell me?

 

[Yid-ol]

That's the only post that seriously try to defend the view that Steed deserves to be Spurs player of the season. Thank you mate:up:

Before answering your argument, I'd like to ask you whether it's a correct summary of your post to say the following:

Without Berbatov Spurs would be "in deep, deep shit this season", but without Steed whose contribution has been the greatest, Spurs would be in even deeper shit? Is that a correct summary of want you try to tell me?

so you made another thread when there was already one on player of the season, to get peoples views on who should be player of the season?

can someone lock this crap please! ...and to think the conversation thread got closed due to taking up bandwidth, yet this is alowed

 

[Berbati]

Just to play devil's advocate.

Had we not had Keane and Berbatov we could have still played Defoe and Bent which most Premiership teams would take any day of the week.

Had we not had Malbranque, with Bale injured, we would have had no left midfielder all season.

As a result we may have actually been more successful with Malbranque.

Thank you for your reply but Bent was injured too...Besides, would Bent be able to hold up the ball against Man City when Spurs remained with 10 men. Would Defoe supply Jenas for his goals against Arsenal :roll:

 

[Berbati]

so you made another thread when there was already one on player of the season, to get peoples views on who should be player of the season?

can someone lock this crap please! ...and to think the conversation thread got closed due to taking up bandwidth, yet this is alowed

Calm down and try to develop good reasons for your position. I'm afraid you cannot. :shrug:

 

[Yid-ol]

Calm down and try to develop good reasons for your position. I'm afraid you cannot. :shrug:

for my position? what are you jibbering on about now

 

[Flatters]

For me it's a matter of consistency and available backup. Even though Berba is a much better player than Steed, Steed has been consistent, which Berba hasn't. I would, however, sooner take Steed out than Berba though, mainly because we have better backup for Steed than we do for Berba.

 

[Stoof]

can someone lock this crap please! ...and to think the conversation thread got closed due to taking up bandwidth, yet this is alowed

Erm. Calm down. And you should seriously stop going on about that.

The conversation thread got closed because we wanted it closed. Bandwidth smandwidth. Sorry mate, but get your facts right.

I'll merge this now.

 

[Yid-ol]

Erm. Calm down. And you should seriously stop going on about that.

The conversation thread got closed because we wanted it closed. Bandwidth smandwidth. Sorry mate, but get your facts right.

I'll merge this now.

going on about it? i have hardly said anything about it :| and i was atchaly just saying it tongue in cheek and taking the piss with it

i was just going on what i had heard and that was being said to one reason why it was closed :shrug:

 

[ollie_spurs]

Why do you not have the amount of assists by Keane and goals/assists by Steed. If you are basing this on stats you need to be more objective in giving them out.

(edit) Steed has 6 goals this season.

 

[walworthyid]

Thank you for the responses fellas. Some of them deserve answer. The other express just feelings, some substantiated with a good sense of humour :up:




That's the only post that seriously try to defend the view that Steed deserves to be Spurs player of the season. Thank you mate:up:

Before answering your argument, I'd like to ask you whether it's a correct summary of your post to say the following:

Without Berbatov Spurs would be "in deep, deep shit this season", but without Steed whose contribution has been the greatest, Spurs would be in even deeper shit? Is that a correct summary of want you try to tell me?

A different type of shit, but yes, that is pretty much it.

Basically, unless we all appreciate the fact that "player of the season" can mean many things we will not get anywhere.

Just to add something, we could have played without Berbo this season because we had a replacement for him in Bent (although he has been injured and is vastly inferior to Berbo) but Steed has no real replacement.

It is like somebody else said, if Berbo had the drive of somebody like Torres he would be the best footballer in the world. He has everything, he just lacks that certain something that makes him believe that it will be his day. Consequently, when it is not his day, it is not his day.

Steed has far less talent, he is still very talented, but supplements that with an unbelievable will to win and enough drive for 2 players. You have to remember that at Fulham steed was their creative player and had less defensive responsibility, at spurs he has been a squad player much of the time and had to change his game and position. The Steed that we see every week is not even playing to his strengths.

At this moment in time, it is between Keano, Berbo and Steed. If these 3 had been injured this season we would be in the bottom 3.

Finally, the season we nearly came 4th I thought our player of the season was Davids. He never played the best, he played very well for much of the time again out of position, but his drive rubbed off on the team and had he not been playing we would not have been anywhere near 4th. His contribution was the greatest although the stats will tell you that there were other players that directly contributed more to our results.

It is a matter of opinion.

 

[Berbati]

A different type of shit, but yes, that is pretty much it.

Basically, unless we all appreciate the fact that "player of the season" can mean many things we will not get anywhere.

Just to add something, we could have played without Berbo this season because we had a replacement for him in Bent (although he has been injured and is vastly inferior to Berbo) but Steed has no real replacement.

It is like somebody else said, if Berbo had the drive of somebody like Torres he would be the best footballer in the world. He has everything, he just lacks that certain something that makes him believe that it will be his day. Consequently, when it is not his day, it is not his day.

Steed has far less talent, he is still very talented, but supplements that with an unbelievable will to win and enough drive for 2 players. You have to remember that at Fulham steed was their creative player and had less defensive responsibility, at spurs he has been a squad player much of the time and had to change his game and position. The Steed that we see every week is not even playing to his strengths.

At this moment in time, it is between Keano, Berbo and Steed. If these 3 had been injured this season we would be in the bottom 3.

Finally, the season we nearly came 4th I thought our player of the season was Davids. He never played the best, he played very well for much of the time again out of position, but his drive rubbed off on the team and had he not been playing we would not have been anywhere near 4th. His contribution was the greatest although the stats will tell you that there were other players that directly contributed more to our results.

It is a matter of opinion.

That's a good post, sounds convincing! :up:

I'm not sure though what you concretely mean by "deep, deep shit" and "even deeper shit". Could you be more concrete on that one? For instance: without Berbatov we woulld not reach th CC final but without Steed we would still be a bottom 3 team?

It's true Steed's contribution is great defensively wise. But if it is as great as some tend to think why Spurs conceded so many goals until a month ago? Do you want to tell me that without him Spurs would concede much more goals Eek I think such an argument makes Spurs defenders look, especially Lee who plays with Steed in that zone, not only utterly poor but almost nonexistent.

Further, defending does not amount to running and tackling as set pieces are very very important in today's football and Steed is utterly useless when it comes to defend from setpieces. By contrast, Berbatov plays an important role in that respect.

Further, Berbatov skills to hold up the ball and link up the play matter also defensively wise as they help to lift up the pressure from defenders. Man City game is a good example, Ramos said something similar after the game. Sunderland away is another example. I remember how much fans were complaining about Berbatov's performance in that game. The truth is that after he was substituted Sunderland almost instantly became the better side and were all over us.

Lastly, I'm not convinced about the comparision between Davids and Steed. Yes, Steed runs a lot and tackles good but Davids was a leader. Steed is nowhere near to be a leader.