Match Threads Wolves vs Spurs - Match Thread - Day 15

[dbspurs]

when you’re being outplayed by the likes of Brighton, West Brom and failing to beat the likes of Wolves, West Ham, Newcastle and Palace despite leading in all those games... if you can’t see it goes beyond the squad, then you may need to rethink who is in denial

Remember Pochs last year or have you forgotten when we didn't win away for nearly a year?

We also lost to the might of Colchester during that period.

Wasn't the players fault was it?!

 

[Spurs 1961]

We keep hearing that "Jose doesn't have the players" but teams like Southampton have a worse squad man-for-man yet are more than the sum of their parts.

We consistently look less than the sum of our parts.

Spot on. So many people are still taken in by conmen and JM is amongst the best of them.
The way he sets the team up and the negative mentality he puts into everyone is the problem.
The only one he builds up is himself, the only one he supports is himself. I hate his anti football attitude

 

[gibbospurs]

Thing isi thought the first 20 mins we looked pretty good. Pressing all over the pitch. I hate the guy, but are the players fit enough?

 

[SpursSince1980]

JM again repeats the same tactics , the same tactics that get us a draw everygame. Its not like we can't attack. Last few minutes of that match as well as palace shows that we can when we want to. Soo stubborn he just never learns.

Still can’t see it this way. He doesn’t instruct the team to plod around and lose focus. The attacking intent you refer to, comes from the players, merging from their self induced slumbers.
Not sure what you think he is doing that is so stubborn. He tried to mix things up today, and it ended up not working with 3 at the back and Reggie basically playing in no mans land.
Not sure how his stubbornness is responsible for Winks being unable to make simple passes today. Or, how it impacted Reggie taking a terrible shot, when a cross to a open teammate was the right thing to do. Or, his three attacking players rarely exhibiting an effort to run into space, or challenge for the ball. Or, how his stubbornness has an impact on Doherty ability to cross the ball or make a half decent pass.
You are giving the coach a colossal level of accountabilty.
The mindset of many of the same players who were under Poch is awful.
Jose does believe in low risk style of football, but that doesn’t mean it is obdurate or boring. It sure can be when the players are lacking fitness, focus, and fire. Yes, it is certainly on him to try to shake them out of this collective malaise, and if he can’t get them figured out and this poor run continues for the rest of season, he will be done. But, for me, it won’t be 100% due to his coaching. Sorry, but I refuse to give some of the assholes playing out there a free pass for stinking up the joint.
This narrative about it all being Jose’s fault is fine, if that gives you a way to focus your dissatisfaction. But, what I am seeing over the last six weeks is a team that is starting to tire... be it a combination of tactics, bad luck and crap attitude, it’s thrown us into a tailspin. It requires a collective effort to turn this around. Coach included.
But sacking Jose. And bringing in, whomever you feel can turn this team into an elite attacking force, is the answer to solving our problems, then that is also deliberately ignoring what was going on before Jose arrived.
A big turnover of players is required, I’m afraid to say. We simply have too many players incapable, unfit, indifferent, unreliable, unfocused, and resting on their laurels.
Only thing this coach can do is perhaps reconsider how the team is lining up, as right now, we look utterly toothless. I’m not sure how much it will change things, cos he is still dealing with the same broken toys. But something needs to change in the meantime, if we want to challenge for anything this year. But ultimately, the fate of this team is with a core group of players and whether or not they’re up for the fight.

 

[dondo]

How do you know he’s knackered? Oh I forgot you’re a member of the coaching team

FFS are you stupid? The guy never plays well in the 2nd half he runs less, looks knackered and “the actual coaching team” sub him every time he starts. Apart from all that you’re spot on ?

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Jose has accused the players of lacking ambition. He does not tell them to sit back,concede possession and protect a slender lead then, they take that upon themselves against all his instructions.

 

[Coys2015]

I really try to stay positive with Spurs but I'm finding it hard to do so this season. When the results were going great, I admit I got lost in the excitement and thought we might have turned a corner and will experience the "Jose second season" syndrome where we win a trophy. But now, I'm back to finding it hard to stay positive about the team.

I love Kane, Son, Dier, and Lloris but I'm questioning if it wouldn't be better to sell them this summer, replace the manager, and start over. We have had the main core for a number of years now with two different managers but are no closer to winning a trophy. How much longer can we continue with this group of players and expect different results?

 

[Blueluigi6]

We saw it last year that when you're in a situation with winks and sissoko on the pitch at the same time it's a recipe for disaster. Ndombele not having stamina and lo celso injury aside, there desperately needs to be some additions in the january or summer to allow Jose to play the team the way he wants (which has lead to trophies as history has shown)

 

[Hercules]

I really try to stay positive with Spurs but I'm finding it hard to do so this season. When the results were going great, I admit I got lost in the excitement and thought we might have turned a corner and will experience the "Jose second season" syndrome where we win a trophy. But now, I'm back to finding it hard to stay positive about the team.

I love Kane, Son, Dier, and Lloris but I'm questioning if it wouldn't be better to sell them this summer, replace the manager, and start over. We have had the main core for a number of years now with two different managers but are no closer to winning a trophy. How much longer can we continue with this group of players and expect different results?

We are in the semi final of one cup. Be fair now.

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

We are in the semi final of one cup. Be fair now.

At least it's Brentford. But right now I'm not 100% comfortable about that game.

 

[stormfly]

Jose has accused the players of lacking ambition. He does not tell them to sit back,concede possession and protect a slender lead then, they take that upon themselves against all his instructions.

Yet he keeps picking the same players? Sounds like we need a clear out if he can’t trust the players on the pitch to carry out his instructions and doesn’t trust any of the other players to step in and do better.

 

[Coys2015]

We are in the semi final of one cup. Be fair now.

That is true but do we want to sacrifice playing good football just for a league cup? A league or European trophy maybe, but not a league cup.

It's not even Jose's style that bugs me, I can live with playing defensively. It's the fact we have now dropped points in 5 games by allowing a goal in the last 10 minutes. We are not learning and changing based on past experiences.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

That is true but do we want to sacrifice playing good football just for a league cup? A league or European trophy maybe, but not a league cup.

It's not even Jose's style that bugs me, I can live with playing defensively. It's the fact we have now dropped points in 5 games by allowing a goal in the last 10 minutes. We are not learning and changing based on past experiences.

Its not even defensive football its boring uninteresting and its giving the onus to sides who are poor -

 

[hamsup_sotong]

Can we pls clone moussa and ndombadboi into 1 player pls.. that'll be some player that can play 120 mins at 1 go lol

 

[Metalhead]

Spot on. So many people are still taken in by conmen and JM is amongst the best of them.
The way he sets the team up and the negative mentality he puts into everyone is the problem.
The only one he builds up is himself, the only one he supports is himself. I hate his anti football attitude

We know.

 

[rockpop23]

Still can’t see it this way. He doesn’t instruct the team to plod around and lose focus. The attacking intent you refer to, comes from the players, merging from their self induced slumbers.
Not sure what you think he is doing that is so stubborn. He tried to mix things up today, and it ended up not working with 3 at the back and Reggie basically playing in no mans land.
Not sure how his stubbornness is responsible for Winks being unable to make simple passes today. Or, how it impacted Reggie taking a terrible shot, when a cross to a open teammate was the right thing to do. Or, his three attacking players rarely exhibiting an effort to run into space, or challenge for the ball. Or, how his stubbornness has an impact on Doherty ability to cross the ball or make a half decent pass.
You are giving the coach a colossal level of accountabilty.
The mindset of many of the same players who were under Poch is awful.
Jose does believe in low risk style of football, but that doesn’t mean it is obdurate or boring. It sure can be when the players are lacking fitness, focus, and fire. Yes, it is certainly on him to try to shake them out of this collective malaise, and if he can’t get them figured out and this poor run continues for the rest of season, he will be done. But, for me, it won’t be 100% due to his coaching. Sorry, but I refuse to give some of the assholes playing out there a free pass for stinking up the joint.
This narrative about it all being Jose’s fault is fine, if that gives you a way to focus your dissatisfaction. But, what I am seeing over the last six weeks is a team that is starting to tire... be it a combination of tactics, bad luck and crap attitude, it’s thrown us into a tailspin. It requires a collective effort to turn this around. Coach included.
But sacking Jose. And bringing in, whomever you feel can turn this team into an elite attacking force, is the answer to solving our problems, then that is also deliberately ignoring what was going on before Jose arrived.
A big turnover of players is required, I’m afraid to say. We simply have too many players incapable, unfit, indifferent, unreliable, unfocused, and resting on their laurels.
Only thing this coach can do is perhaps reconsider how the team is lining up, as right now, we look utterly toothless. I’m not sure how much it will change things, cos he is still dealing with the same broken toys. But something needs to change in the meantime, if we want to challenge for anything this year. But ultimately, the fate of this team is with a core group of players and whether or not they’re up for the fight.

Can't argue with you , I mean you may very well be right. I just can't happen to think with the crop of players we have now , (especially recent additions ) this is all we can produce. Like if the game was back and forth and we actually created a handful of chances where we missed, I would actually be OK with that aka Arsenal. Past 3 games we can't string a couple of passes together once we score. I mean the palace game was a prime example , we dominated the first 30 min , scored a goal then nothing until the inevitable equalizer. To me that screaming manager tactic as opposed to players being lazy. Again you may be right though , I guess time will tell.

 

[hescominghome]

I'm as annoyed as the rest of you but something I haven't seen mentioned much is that we have another game in 60 hours time which I think is why Mourinho took N'dombele off. Given GLC is injured he is our only effective midfielder going forward. Its also worrying that quite a lot of players looked so shattered with another game coming in a few days.

I'm very, very concerned regarding Kane and Son given how tired they looked, he needs to think about rotating them soon before one gets a muscle injury and we are in big trouble for the rest of the season. I would give Vinicius minutes to give them rest/play alongside them and to be honest if he doesn't get any against Fulham then surely something isn't right.

Also agree that Sabitzer would be great Jan signing if we could get him and a huge improvement to our squad, he scores goals from midfield as well which we are in desperate need of.

 

[Serpico]

Ive read post after post and no one has question Kane. He had a shocker today. He is our main man but its not happening for him. Ive notice recent games he becoming less effective. Loses the ball oftern and always looks for free kicks which refs are not giving as many. Every player needs to be 100% including Kane.

 

[Serpico]

A draw at Wolves feels like a defeat, not sure if this is a good thing anymore. There are plenty of games to play and points to be won . ts just not enjoyable the way we are playing-whats going on?

 

[Deleted member 29446]

A draw at Wolves feels like a defeat, not sure if this is a good thing anymore. There are plenty of games to play and points to be won . ts just not enjoyable the way we are playing-whats going on?

Wolves were awful yesterday, they were really bad and was there for the taking, most teams would have beat that Wolves-side. Only Neto was decent for them.

Can't believe I'm saying this but we were even more awful, that really says a lot.