Yet Another Ex-Manager Watch: Cristian Stellini

[muel]

Stellini isn’t here because anyone at the club thinks it’s a good idea. In my opinion he’s here because the club is completely paralysed by the whole Paratici debacle.

We either:

A) Appoint a Manager in his absence that the club believes is right. Running the risk that a successful appeal would result in our DoF working with a Manager he didn’t pick and likely didn’t want

or

B) Move forward with Paratici’s preference with the risk that he could end up sacked and then the club are left with a Manager they probably didn’t want and any new DoF probably didn’t want

Absolute definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It’s so embarrassing that our DoF is in this position and has put us in this position. It’s embarrassing that he was hired in the first place. It’s embarrassing that he still has a job. I’d gladly pay any employment tribunal fee to get rid and begin whatever rebuild needs to happen right now

He seems to be catching so little flack when he is the absolute architect of our current posturing

 

[mil1lion]

He did try something different today but it was not at all well thought out. He literally just threw attacking players on in hope of that being enough to score goals. His formation change meant Kane dropping deeper. We need 2 goals but the top scorer plays in midfield because we didn't have anyone else who can play the ball. It was actually pretty shocking how gung ho he went and incredibly desperate. I don't get any sense he knows how to train these players. He speaks before the game that we need to attack more but I don't think he knows how to make that happen. I think he just simply tells them what he wants rather than guides them exactly how to go about doing it. The players look as clueless as ever.

 

[Japhet]

There's no one else better to pick. Whoever comes in has a different weakness that will end up getting exploited. Don't fall into the trap of thinking 'different is better'. It isn't most of the time.

An extra midfielder would mean sacrificing somewhere else on the pitch. We were leading.

When plan A doesn't work plan B usually wouldn't either; because if your best isn't good enough a half-hearted approach wouldn't work either. It might be so bad no one even notices that you are trying plan B.


I agree with Bluto's post. These players are showing exactly what Conte had said about them; they don't have the courage and important games. They take the pressure too seriously. They need to be more light-hearted.

I think they need to let go. Just play for fun and the result may follow.

Of course he could make changes. Sarr doesn't get a look in and could easily play in a CM3 or a CM2 where he's played plenty with Skipp. Kulusevski could drop in at 10 and give more passing options. Devine could offer a bit of flair and Danjuma showed that he has something to offer but hasn't had a proper chance. The one thing we can all be pretty sure of is that the 'usual' 343 and starting lineup has failed repeatedly and has been abysmal all season. I posted;



when the team was announced. Don't tell me this shit is unexpected.

 

[midoshairband]

complete and utter lame duck. terrible appointment, terrible manager with no ideas. what a waste of the end of the season.

 

[DannyNZ]

Stubbornly sticks with the same formation and line up when they’ve been rubbish.

Loses a LCB and decides Romero to LCB and Sanchez at RCB, ie disrupts the whole defence. Bournemouth weren’t great and we could have gone 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 to get a better player than Sanchez on the field.

Goes behind and pulls a Kevin Keegan 4-1-5 throwing all his strikers on leaving only the immobile PEH to hold midfield. In doing this drops the best goal scorer deeper and leaves us open to any break.

exposed by Danjuma that him and Conte can’t judge a footballer, Danjuma wouldn’t be on if Moura hadn’t got sent off. Stubborn, bad judgement and just poor.

Complains team goes ahead and then drops deep, well ffs have a word with your captain and Dier, don’t do nothing and then moan.

The guy had a couple of moments when Conte was away but there is nothing to support giving this guy the reins for 10 games, Conte light and reeks of saving on compensation or just no planning. I see nothing positive in his appointment.

 

[N17TJK]

Another monumental cock up by Levy. Sacked Conte to protect his own ego after the post Southampton rant, knowing it would lead to nothing changing by leaving this pleb in charge.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Doing himself no favours

I had sympathy for Stellini about how all this has been playing out but some of his comments and actions are making me change my mind in this regard. The guy comes across as very weak willed and lacking convictions. I don’t see it getting any better and I can completely see him going with 3 at the back next week with an unchanged line up save for Lenglet if he’s injured.

 

[ultimateloner]

Of course he could make changes. Sarr doesn't get a look in and could easily play in a CM3 or a CM2 where he's played plenty with Skipp. Kulusevski could drop in at 10 and give more passing options. Devine could offer a bit of flair and Danjuma showed that he has something to offer but hasn't had a proper chance. The one thing we can all be pretty sure of is that the 'usual' 343 and starting lineup has failed repeatedly and has been abysmal all season. I posted;



when the team was announced. Don't tell me this shit is unexpected.

Sarr and Danjuma have shown glimpses of ability in the few mins of football they get to play; it's insufficient to conclude that they would be an upgrade to the starting 11 (i.e: worth making the change).

Kulu has been off-form for some time and chances are if he is played in an unfamiliar position, he might do even worse.

Devine might not even be of PL quality.

I think the changes you are proposing are long shots more than anything else. They might work, but in this instance I trust a coach's decision more.

We have thrown 2 recent games we should have won away now, and the trend is worrying. Tactics might have something to do with it but I feel it's more likely to be psychological. I think the most urgent thing that requires fixing is that; the players need to belief they have what it takes to hold on to games.

 

[g_harry]

Feel a little sorry for him but he shouldn't be manager, things are just gonna get worse unfortunately.

He totally out of his depth and the subs at Everton and today highlight the problem.

 

[g_harry]

Feel a little sorry for him but he shouldn't be manager, things are just gonna get worse unfortunately.

He totally out of his depth and the subs at Everton and today highlight the problem.

 

[Dougal]

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

For Stellini to say he can't change his approach to a game after working with Conte for so long is a bit weak . Virtually all the first team squad go off on international duty playing with other coaches , different team formations and different styles of play, they are adaptable and could easily be made to set up differently.

 

[Mr Pink]

I don't think that it true.

If you watch the start of today's game - we played on the front foot. We were attacking. We were pressing high.

its not the tactics. It's not the formation. It's not the shape. It's not the manager. It's clear that Stellini and Mason (and Conte and Mourinho for that matter) wanted the players to play more aggressively, but their natural instinct is to retreat into a shell. It is the manager's job to set the team up - and based on how they were set up today, and came out of the gate - Stellini/Mason did not set them up to be defensive.

It really doesn't matter how you analyse it.

It keeps happening over and over again.

The manager is absolutely responsible for recognising this and of course changing it.

To allow it to continue is grossly negligent regardless of who the manager is.

Personally, I think they can't be bothered to change it because it requires rattling some cages and some bloody work to change it.

They all seem happy to cruise in a comfort zone, including the management and staff.

This culture has been allowed to evolve and its up to Levy to appoint someone who can do something about it.

 

[sidford]

Didn't shake O'Neils hand after the game instead went straight down the tunnel. Very poor. O'Neil hasnt said he apologised for it either.
Temper tantrum from someone who is out of their league / over promoted. Don't want someone who is the face of the club acting like a petulant child.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Call him in this morning and hand him his P45..

 

[Johnny J]

Didn't shake O'Neils hand after the game instead went straight down the tunnel. Very poor. O'Neil hasnt said he apologised for it either.
Temper tantrum from someone who is out of their league / over promoted. Don't want someone who is the face of the club acting like a petulant child.

After the De Zerbi incident last week he told the media he wanted to always be respectful to other managers, recognising that he himself was new to managing a club.

 

[Japhet]

For Stellini to say he can't change his approach to a game after working with Conte for so long is a bit weak . Virtually all the first team squad go off on international duty playing with other coaches , different team formations and different styles of play, they are adaptable and could easily be made to set up differently.

Seems to me that hooking up with Conte at his next gig is the most important thing for Stellini right now. Conte flat refused to change anything the whole time he was here, regardless of how it affected us, and Stellini is still carrying the torch in his absence.

 

[TC18]

Stellini isn’t here because anyone at the club thinks it’s a good idea. In my opinion he’s here because the club is completely paralysed by the whole Paratici debacle.

We either:

A) Appoint a Manager in his absence that the club believes is right. Running the risk that a successful appeal would result in our DoF working with a Manager he didn’t pick and likely didn’t want

or

B) Move forward with Paratici’s preference with the risk that he could end up sacked and then the club are left with a Manager they probably didn’t want and any new DoF probably didn’t want

Absolute definition of being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It’s so embarrassing that our DoF is in this position and has put us in this position. It’s embarrassing that he was hired in the first place. It’s embarrassing that he still has a job. I’d gladly pay any employment tribunal fee to get rid and begin whatever rebuild needs to happen right now

He seems to be catching so little flack when he is the absolute architect of our current posturing

Levy has never been scared of employing a manager that the DoF doesn’t want. He even hired Conte which was apparently a Levy choice. That is not the reason we have been lumbered with Stellini. We’ve been stuck with him, because someone with not much footballing knowledge insists on making these decisions, regardless of who he employs to make them on his behalf.

The architect of our problems stops with the Chairman, there’s a reason why he gets paid so much, and when he enjoys getting he’s sticky beak in all footballing affairs, he will be the one that gets all the flack.

 

[djhotspur]

Mental

Yup. It’s a disgrace quite frankly

 

[djhotspur]

We have no cbs now. We CANNOT play a back 3, Sanchez confidence is done. We have to move to a 4 2 3 1