You know we need a tall striker? Me want!!!

[danielneeds]

In all probability we will sign Crouch in the summer.

 

[PT]

The idiot in me wants us to sign this 6 foot 5 dude who is almost certainly going to be a Raisak if we sign him.

I was going to compare this guy to Rasiak but didn't want to lower the tone of the thread or put ideas in heads! This Austrian fellow must be worth a punt - we can always offload him to Southampton if he's pants.

 

[Rackybear]

I've disagreed plenty of times with 'Ole Gibbsy':wink:, particularly his dogmatic insistence that he is 'right' on issues where consensus is conspicuous by its absence. However, there's no need to be insulting about it. Disagree by all means, but your post was little more than a personal attack.

Do you think that Janko would actually be shit? Who would you prefer as a big target man? I'd rather hear your views on that than your crude & witless attacks on Gibbsy & Spursking...

Id have to do some more research on that, but I can guarantee that their are better / proven strikers available from stronger leagues then the Austrian.

We are spurs, we have money and a certain degree of pull factor. It would be hard to attract the best names in the world, but we are more then capable of getting the next tier down. As in, the Berbatov, Toni's and Eto's of this world are out of our reach, but the Gomes', Pandev's and Adrianos(?) are well within touching distance.

I guess im saying, why take a risk on spending upto £10 million on a potential flop, when another £5-£10 could land you a potential world beater who has already proven himself in the Spanish / Italian league?

I know which risk id rather take.

 

[trasores]

Id have to do some more research on that, but I can guarantee that their are better / proven strikers available from stronger leagues then the Austrian.

We are spurs, we have money and a certain degree of pull factor. It would be hard to attract the best names in the world, but we are more then capable of getting the next tier down. As in, the Berbatov, Toni's and Eto's of this world are out of our reach, but the Gomes', Pandev's and Adrianos(?) are well within touching distance.

I guess im saying, why take a risk on spending upto £10 million on a potential flop, when another £5-£10 could land you a potential world beater who has already proven himself in the Spanish / Italian league?

I know which risk id rather take.

dont forget we didn't lose a penny on rasiak! and we made on midomg:

 

[DavidsSpecs]

If this is to be a willy - waving contest, it's going to be locked - rather it be a decent debate about the merits of a potential Premiership target in the summer.

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Sorry...couldn't resist! Would've been better if i knew how to embed photo's but nevermind!

 

[PT]

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Sorry...couldn't resist! Would've been better if i knew how to embed photo's but nevermind!

Hmm - do I open it...?

 

[DavidsSpecs]

Hmm - do I open it...?

it's safe, trust me! It's all I could find at short notice - couldn't actually manage a waving willy!

 

[SelbYido]

Id have to do some more research on that, but I can guarantee that their are better / proven strikers available from stronger leagues then the Austrian.

We are spurs, we have money and a certain degree of pull factor. It would be hard to attract the best names in the world, but we are more then capable of getting the next tier down. As in, the Berbatov, Toni's and Eto's of this world are out of our reach, but the Gomes', Pandev's and Adrianos(?) are well within touching distance.

I guess im saying, why take a risk on spending upto £10 million on a potential flop, when another £5-£10 could land you a potential world beater who has already proven himself in the Spanish / Italian league?

I know which risk id rather take.

Fair enough. If you'd have posted this in the first place I would probably not even have bothered responding except to broadly agree with you (not sure the fee for Janko would be that high though) but it was the attitude towards gibbs131 that I objected to. Like I said, I probably disagreed with his...erm...controversial threads as much as you did but I've never insulted him about it & never would.

If you don't agree with the logic of an argument the best thing to do is argue better & more logically than they do...

 

[THOWIG]

At the risk of being shot down the player that I would love to see back is Kanoute. He has developed a hell of a lot since he was with us. Watched him the other night and thought he was outstanding.
He's not to old and has Premiership experience obviously and could play with any of our forwards.

Another two great options are Diogo at Olympiakos and Mario Gomez(Dont judge him on Euro 2008 as he is an outstanding forward.

 

[Rackybear]

Fair enough. If you'd have posted this in the first place I would probably not even have bothered responding except to broadly agree with you (not sure the fee for Janko would be that high though) but it was the attitude towards gibbs131 that I objected to. Like I said, I probably disagreed with his...erm...controversial threads as much as you did but I've never insulted him about it & never would.

If you don't agree with the logic of an argument the best thing to do is argue better & more logically than they do...

Apparently Newcastle were interested in Janko, and were quoted around £9 million....

Dunno how true that is though, I think I read it somewhere in this thread, hence my random £10 million valuation of him.

 

[leetotty]

We don't need a tall striker, we don't need a lump up front that we can pump the ball forward too. I want to watch my team play the ball through midfield and to feet.

The only reason you need a tall striker is if you cross from deep and it becomes more of 50/50 ball. So you hope that your striker is stronger than their defender, why play this type of football?

Teams I think in the prem are becoming more defensively minded the key for the future is quick and clever players. The ability to unlock a defence is more important.

I would rather we didn't sign any more forwards and make do with what we got. We need some continuity, we need the players more confident and we need the players linking up with each other. Chnaging the squad every window is just not sustainable and will only lead to more failings and relegation issues.

 

[mil1lion]

Hopefully Sunderland go down so we can take Kenwyne Jones on the cheap.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

30 goals in 20 games is an outrageous record wherever you are playing. I'm not sure the argument that the Austrian League is crap means he probably isn't that good is a very good argument.

Our new boy Palacios was ripping up the mighty Honduran league less than 2 years ago. We waited for him to prove himself and then paid 12 times what it cost to get him just a year ago.

Depending on how much it costs he looks like he would definately be worth a shot. He's 6ft5 and can score with both feet. If you look him up on youtube (yeh yeh I know) you can see he has some pretty good football instincts. He scored 2 or 3 with his back to goal shifting it out on to his left and hitting it on the turn. Struck the ball beautifully. He attacks the ball well in the air too by the looks of things.

Oh and he is on pace for 65 odd goals. Who cares if the Austrian League is only League 1 or Championship standard. If a 6ft5 striker scored 65 goals in League 1 you don't think he'd get a chance?

 

[danielneeds]

We don't need a tall striker, we don't need a lump up front that we can pump the ball forward too. I want to watch my team play the ball through midfield and to feet.

The only reason you need a tall striker is if you cross from deep and it becomes more of 50/50 ball. So you hope that your striker is stronger than their defender, why play this type of football?

Teams I think in the prem are becoming more defensively minded the key for the future is quick and clever players. The ability to unlock a defence is more important.

I would rather we didn't sign any more forwards and make do with what we got. We need some continuity, we need the players more confident and we need the players linking up with each other. Chnaging the squad every window is just not sustainable and will only lead to more failings and relegation issues.

So why do United (Berbatov), Chelsea (Drogba), Liverpool (Torres), and Arsenal (Adebayor) all have a tall centre forward as their point of attack then?

 

[RobinLeonard]

So why do United (Berbatov), Chelsea (Drogba), Liverpool (Torres), and Arsenal (Adebayor) all have a tall centre forward as their point of attack then?

Pavlyuchenko is taller than Torres, the same length as Berbatov and marginally shorter than Drogba.

Torres has pace, Drogba has power, Berbatov has skill and Adebayor has all but pace on his day and is... tall at other times.

Why did Jan Koller spend most of his career in Dortmund? All the players you listed, with the possible exception of Adebayor who has been suffering from a pretty huge hangover this season, are world class players. Their length is only a one fraction in that equation.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Pavlyuchenko is taller than Torres, the same length as Berbatov and marginally shorter than Drogba.

Torres has pace, Drogba has power, Berbatov has skill and Adebayor has all but pace on his day and is... tall at other times.

Why did Jan Koller spend most of his career in Dortmund? All the players you listed, with the possible exception of Adebayor who has been suffering from a pretty huge hangover this season, are world class players. Their length is only a one fraction in that equation.

All true, but doesn't change what daniel was saying. Regardless of the quality of the players all he was saying was that having a tall striker doesn't necessarily mean that you have to play awful long ball football. Often it means that the quality of attacking football is actually improved, because having a tall strong striker allows you to get more players involved.

Look at Villa, they've been playing with Carew (who definately isn't world class) and they've played some excellent football.

 

[Max_Junglie]

If we were pulling out all the stops for a big man up front, I'd put Luca Toni at the top of my list. He's a monstrous physical specimen and would really suit the PL battle. I was at the Brazil v Italy match last night and Toni did more in his first 15 minutes than Adriano managed in the whole match. I was wholly unimpressed with him. Glad we swerved that one in the Jan window.

 

[RobinLeonard]

All true, but doesn't change what daniel was saying. Regardless of the quality of the players all he was saying was that having a tall striker doesn't necessarily mean that you have to play awful long ball football. Often it means that the quality of attacking football is actually improved, because having a tall strong striker allows you to get more players involved.

Look at Villa, they've been playing with Carew (who definately isn't world class) and they've played some excellent football.

Yeah that much I obviously agree with. I'm not arguing against this guy Janko either. My point is merely that length does not equal quality.

You don't need big players to play awful long ball football either, Kevin Davies is of average height. He does it masterfully anyways.

 

[leetotty]

So why do United (Berbatov), Chelsea (Drogba), Liverpool (Torres), and Arsenal (Adebayor) all have a tall centre forward as their point of attack then?

I was saying I don't want a tall striker if the intention is to hit long balls to them or that people think that our strikers do not have the ability to hold the ball up properly. Pav/Def/Keane all can control the ball and bring players into the game its just that we don;t get support to them quick enough. Also there movement isn't good enough sometimes, Modric for instance is frequently caught with the ball simply becuase there is no pass available.

Signing Janko is not somethign that I advocate. It is hardly a problem that we don't have players that can't score goals. Pav/Def/Keane/Bent have enough ability to score 20 goals and have proved this too. It is not like we are creating tons of chances and they are missing them. Janko from what I have seen does not create his own chances.

Our problem is the creativness of our play, the style of football being played and the lack of cohesion in our team.
A tall striker does not help with these problems

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And you lie. I said Modric was a good player, never said he was shit at all.

Just said he wasn't what we needed at the time (when he signed) and wasn't any better than Malbs.

Lets face it, I was right. Decent player, didn't help push us to the next level at all.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=30471

And this was while Malbs was STILL with us. I stated Modric would force him out and not be any better, I was right.

If being wrong is being right then you are the most righteous fucker on here.