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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Willian Edition 22nd August 2013

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voxy28

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....and without getting churlish, it annoys me when someone puts a disagree tag (You Know Who You Are) without passing a comment.

Yes we will all be upset if GB goes, but grow a pair and join the real world, and if you disagree with something have the F*cking Jacobs to tell us why, you might even be right and change opinion!!!!

Come on you got only 8... i have got almost 40 and I dont understand why...
 

thfc1989

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My mood has dropped significantly. If they sell Benzema and Di Maria to Arsenal I will be livid.
 

Real_madyidd

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I think everyone has to retain a sense of perspective. I remember when Chris Waddle was sold to Marseille for a then record £4.5million and how gutted I was. "Don't worry," I was told by my Dad, "think of all the players we can sign with £4.5 million"

The result - Steve Sedgeley

What is happening now is completely opposite!

Back to lurking (y)

Waddle and Hoddle broke my heart as a kid, I just couldn't understand. From then on I knew to only admire the players we would keep: Mabbutt (at the time), Edinburgh (later) and Dawson now. Yeah they weren't the very best, but they were / are truley ours.
 

HobbitSpur

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Yes. There is an amount on anyone's head. 85 for bale with 3 Yeats on contract is not the price.

And you know what we could have written in stone for him a move without sacrificing the fee.

170 k a week , with the promise that if Real pay the right amount next year, he can talk to them.


I knew that Mark Yeats would be of some use in the future, he did F*ck all for us when he was with us! :)
 

WestBelfast Spurs

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Livid if Arsenal get Benzema and Di Maria. We will have indirectly strengthened Arsenal by selling our best player (a cynical view to take).

but the money we are getting of Real for Bale comes from Arsenal which lets us buy Willian & Lamela swings and roundabouts plus rumours di Maria wont come to England also
 

Savage7

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You do realise Bale only takes up one place in the team and they will take up 6. May be they will let us start with 16 if they all wear "replacing Bale" on the back's of their shirts?

See what your saying here when people say that these players will easily replace bales 20 goals.
They ate 6 players so collectively they will have to replace the goals that Defoe, Dempsey, bale, Lennon and siggy (for example) scored.
Also as a direct replacement for bale, is ONE of these players gonna not only score 20 goals but do it when the team isn't performing as bale did.

Think this is the point
 

TheChosenOne

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Doing the Times Jumbo cryptic last week one of the clues was something to do with jumping out of an aeroplane, 4.3.
I in advertantly put in "Bale Out" instead of "Bail Out" Lolz.

However I digress - My Bale moment was the same as Orkney Spur & gilzeantheking - When Jimmy Greaves went to West Ham plus a few shillings with Martin Peters coming to us - I was shook. To the very foundations, for the previous five years
my role model was JPG - Every kickabout in the local park was spent emulating my hero.

I got on with supporting the team (the only team) - like a bereavement - The memories are always there - But then further down the line there were many more - The Hoddles & Waddle, Clive Allen and Gazza - plus many more from recent times.

With regard to young Bale - He has served his time with us - Yes he is a hero and I'm sure a superb professional and pin up boy for football in general - He can win games and all the other stuff posters have said - But when he is missing - there may be a plan "B" but it need not be that way - He is (God forbid as religious folk say) only one Muamba or otherwise tackle away from missing half or even an entire season.

Just my take, I think I know what I am saying most of the time - I hope I got my point across - If not - Bite me.
 

theShiznit

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basically, stop being an idiot...

Sad thing is though.

The majority of the fans will feel like Maskeg2

And to those, Levy's statement (if as expected is an excuse for sale) will just sound like hollow words, just as the Joe spendathon to make that final push before FFP will sound like hollow words.

Bale for me has been built up into something he is not, he is no world beater, we saw him get marked out of many games. He is in the top three at what he does (dribble with pace and shoot) but what he does is not exactly good for team goals/football.

With the better players all around the front 6 positions now we will create better chances and score more team goals, maybe with not so many spectacular individual goals, but i'm a sucker for a team goal anyway.

Hopefully though a negativity will not seep into the crowd if/when the Bale sale is announced, and you know that Wales B (Swansea) will certainly be rubbing it in about Bale at the weekend. That's another good thing though, in that so many new players will not have negative expectations of the crowd in the way say a Hudd or JJ would, so this should allow them some leeway for errors until bedded in.

Just wish we could skip to 1st Sept now...
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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Long Time Reader and First Time Poster,
Unsure whether I should have messaged a mod first but here comes some ITK (maybe)...

I was having a birthday chat with my father last night who works in Law and he told me that from a discussion he had the previous day with a certain solicitor and clerk he became privy to the fact that the money we are spending is NOT BALE MONEY, but is actually a loan with a view to buy the club from a Kuwaiti family- he was told that this families thinking behind this is, with FFP on the horizon it is simpler and faster to inject money in the team this way and then can formally buy the club at a later date.

I did not have this conversation so take with some salt but I know who my father was talking to and he is a very reliable source and would not invent this on a whim. Just passing on in good faith, enjoy :)

Thanks for the info. Doesn't make much sense to me though. Surely they would just buy the club now? If they are going to run a club at a massive loss isn't it purely for the joy of splashing the cash and the fans loving you?
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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In my opinion as an overall package he is better than Falcao, RVP, Suarez, Cavani, Iniesta. You have to remember that last year Bale scored more goals outside of the box than any other player, has devastating pace and is just a nightmare to defend against. The boy is a match winner. The only players who I think are better than him as an all round package are Messi, Ronaldo and Reus.
that is just cherry-picking whichever attributes appear to support your viewpoint. anyone thinking Bale is 3rd-5th best player in the world just doesn't watch enough football.
 

talkshowhost86

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Yes, the bigger chance. We keep the wonderful player for a year in hope of hitting the jackpot.

More importantly,in football you need to take chances. That is what we all like right? Football, not our balance sheet.

So we should take chances. But not chances on players we aren't 100% certain will be successful?

I'm glad I don't work for your business...it sounds confusing.
 

chalks79

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I think everyone has to retain a sense of perspective. I remember when Chris Waddle was sold to Marseille for a then record £4.5million and how gutted I was. "Don't worry," I was told by my Dad, "think of all the players we can sign with £4.5 million"

The result - Steve Sedgeley

What is happening now is completely opposite!

Back to lurking (y)

I remember that, was also gutted to see him go. Pretty sure we signed Lineker shortly after, would have loved to see those two plus Gazza playing in the same Spurs team.
 

HailKingLevy

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Yes. There is an amount on anyone's head. 85 for bale with 3 Yeats on contract is not the price.

And you know what we could have written in stone for him a move without sacrificing the fee.

170 k a week , with the promise that if Real pay the right amount next year, he can talk to them.

Man i feel your pain and i get what your saying, but as has been pointed out He wants out, one tackle from CA, or him not performing does us no good in the long run, you need to look at the bigger picture IMO.
 

SonicSarr

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Yes. To everything here.Surely wiping out our spending so far means we start our transfer window again with another wad of cash in our back pocket.

Even so, sad to see.

Totally agree. There are 2 very good scenario's. Each scenario may be better than the other depending upon personal opinion. Either way we are in a win-win situation provided we do get the targets we appear to be after or similar. The 3rd scenario is that Bale goes and we do not get our targets but the noises from AVB are that we will be doing business so I can't see that 3rd scenario transpiring.
 

Kendall

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Sad thing is though.

The majority of the fans will feel like Maskeg2

And to those, Levy's statement (if as expected is an excuse for sale) will just sound like hollow words, just as the Joe spendathon to make that final push before FFP will sound like hollow words.

Bale for me has been built up into something he is not, he is no world beater, we saw him get marked out of many games. He is in the top three at what he does (dribble with pace and shoot) but what he does is not exactly good for team goals/football.

With the better players all around the front 6 positions now we will create better chances and score more team goals, maybe with not so many spectacular individual goals, but i'm a sucker for a team goal anyway.

Hopefully though a negativity will not seep into the crowd if/when the Bale sale is announced, and you know that Wales B (Swansea) will certainly be rubbing it in about Bale at the weekend. That's another good thing though, in that so many new players will not have negative expectations of the crowd in the way say a Hudd or JJ would, so this should allow them some leeway for errors until bedded in.

Just wish we could skip to 1st Sept now...

Interesting view mate, I don't disagree.
 

punky

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For me, every season we had him was essentially "borrowed time" as they say. Basically a gift. He has been a level above us for at least 2 seasons now. If this year is the year, so be it. I just hope the money is invested into a suitable replacement like Lamela.
 

HobbitSpur

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Jun 28, 2013
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Waddle and Hoddle broke my heart as a kid, I just couldn't understand. From then on I knew to only admire the players we would keep: Mabbutt (at the time), Edinburgh (later) and Dawson now. Yeah they weren't the very best, but they were / are truley ours.


I agree with you on Hoddle as a sad day, was a bigger loss for us then than Bale will be now.

I also hated it when Roberts left (although lost my respect when he went to the other lot down the road) and Gascoigne going was a very dark day.
 

Maske2g

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That's why we've brought in 4 new balance sheets so far. And potentially another 3.

Sorry, players.

We sold more players

As it stands everyone is happy and we have invested in the squad. Bale goes and we have taken a badly calculated risk IMO.

I'll reserve more judgement on the new boys until I watch them in a spurs shirt numerous times.

Experience just tells me that the wave of optimism and expectation on the new boys is misguided. We've seen it all before.
 

jambreck

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true... but one has to wonder what will happen in a couple of years when RM/Barca etc... coming sniffing around our shiny new, award winning superstar Lamela


If it happens, so be it. Professional football is a food chain. Our place in it is near the top. But not (yet, at least) at the top.

Better to have players who are coveted by Madrid and Barca than players who are coveted by Stoke or West Ham.

Enjoy the players while we have them. Reinvest the profit wisely. Grow the club relentlessly.
 
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