The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 4th July 2014

Blake Griffin · Jul 6, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Thank fuck you don't have anything to do with the running of the club.

oh yeah, sorry, i forgot we have to give the fans their new signing fix because they're bored of the old toys already. we're finishing 5th-7th whether we spend a bunch of money this summer or not so i say save it and give the talented squad we already have at the club a go under a new manager.

bigfrooj · Jul 6, 2014

We have a very large squad and a lot of promising youngsters. a methodical approach to sorting out what we have and what we need is great as far as I'm concerned. It indicates there is an intention this time to make it a long-term project.

sunnydelight786 · Jul 6, 2014

bigfrooj said:
We have a very large squad and a lot of promising youngsters. a methodical approach to sorting out what we have and what we need is great as far as I'm concerned. It indicates there is an intention this time to make it a long-term project.

I won't hold my breath if I was you.....

rawhide · Jul 6, 2014

mill said:
I don't, how can something be either black and white?

Ask a panda. Or a penguin. Killer Whale. Even a polar bear (black skin under white fur)

Norvern Munkey · Jul 6, 2014

Every window I read this transfer rumour blog, it's like an addiction cos I wanna know who might or might not arrive/depart but I must confess I am baffled by the tone of some posts. "I am worried", "very concerned" etc etc etc. really???? I would love nothing more than us to have a really good season but I can honestly say I have never been worried that we won't sign a left back/start the season without a new centre back. I consider myself an avid/fanatical fan but I can't see how summat none of us have even the slightest control over can cause that degree of worry. If it does make you worry you are investing way too much energy and time into it, and bearing in mind there are 8 weeks to go, you will make yourself poorly. Stuff will happen if and when the people in charge decide it's gonna happen. I'm more worried that I reheated last nights chicken kebab for breakfast and ate it whilst my kids were having their frosties.

THFC_is_my_life · Jul 6, 2014

I do think the squad needs one or two quality additions in key areas. Easier said than done, but there's not much point buying players who aren't an upgrade on what we have.

I'd be happy to see some of the deadwood leave, and 2 players of real quality added to the first XI.

DaSpurs · Jul 6, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
oh yeah, sorry, i forgot we have to give the fans their new signing fix because they're bored of the old toys already. we're finishing 5th-7th whether we spend a bunch of money this summer or not so i say save it and give the talented squad we already have at the club a go under a new manager.

We may have numbers, but as of right now it is a rather unbalanced squad irregardless of player preference. Is hardly a "new toy" mentality to believe we need at least three signings, and consequential departures, to restore this squad to a necessary balance if it's to have any chance of proving ambition to keep our better players and prevent them from leaving and result in unnecessary repeated unbalance. This squad is so close after so much investment, just needs a little more both ways to optimize what the club's already spent on.

Geyzer Soze · Jul 6, 2014

y1dk1d said:
Are you sure he didn't mean nice as in kind?

The French are the masters of the Pun (or they think they are anyway). It is, as far as i can tell after having lived here 12 years, the entire basis of the national sense of humour. So I am absolutely sure that there was a pun intended there

Blake Griffin · Jul 6, 2014

DaSpurs said:
We may have numbers, but as of right now it is a rather unbalanced squad irregardless of player preference. Is hardly a "new toy" mentality to believe we need at least three signings, and consequential departures, to restore this squad to a necessary balance if it's to have any chance of proving ambition to keep our better players and prevent them from leaving and result in unnecessary repeated unbalance. This squad is so close after so much investment, just needs a little more both ways to optimize what the club's already spent on.

thanks for replying(unlike the rest of the sc red cross pussy brigade). personally i don't see how it's unbalanced, i even outlined the rough numbers and there's no position that we actually need a player in. it's not like we have zero left backs, we actually have two dedicated left backs and two who can cover if needed. this is the same squad that just 10 months ago was being proclaimed title challengers or at worst top four finishers by most on here, now we need more signings, you say the squad is close but this squad is permanently close ... even if we sign five more players, we're only going to be saying the same this time next year. we basically spin players of similar quality and can't understand why we don't improve. daniel levy should stop spending money to finish between 5th and 7th, unless we go nuts we're not finishing any higher and no matter what we do we're not finishing any lower than 7th as the rest of the league is a big step off in quality.

dondo · Jul 6, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
we don't actually need any players. we have 2/3 keepers, 2 rbs, 4 cbs, 2/3 lbs, a gajillion centre mids, 4/5 wide options and 3 strikers. i wouldn't actually be averse to poch just getting used to this lot of players first and seeing if he can get more out of them than avb/tim before replacing/adding more. save our money for a rainy day.

2/3 left backs? We barley have 1 fryers and vertonghon are CBs and Rose started out as a midfielder

Blake Griffin · Jul 6, 2014

dondo said:
2/3 left backs? We barley have 1 fryers and vertonghon are CBs and Rose started out as a midfielder

rose
assou-ekotto
vertonghen
fryers

liverpool nearly won the league playing a combination of aly cissokho and jon flanagan at left back. it's misguided optimism to think that buying a half decent(that's all ben davies is) left back is going to make a big difference. in the grand scheme of things even if he performs well you've maybe improved the team by 2%. that's not worth an outlay of £10m+ and we already have players available in that position.

rawhide · Jul 6, 2014

dondo said:
2/3 left backs? We barley have 1 fryers and vertonghon are CBs and Rose started out as a midfielder

Wheat do you mean? I corn't tell if you're serious, but I'd be amaized if you were...

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 6, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
oh yeah, sorry, i forgot we have to give the fans their new signing fix because they're bored of the old toys already. we're finishing 5th-7th whether we spend a bunch of money this summer or not so i say save it and give the talented squad we already have at the club a go under a new manager.

Have you considered that maybe Poch wants new signings? Or did that just pass your mind? There's no point going on about wanting to see Poch improve the squad if he wants new signings himself...

Gedson100 · Jul 6, 2014

panoma said:
Cant believe how much shit Danny Rose gets on here lol.

He was our best player during last years preseason, and looked good until he got injured. In fact when he was injured we were all desperate for him to get back quick.

Sure he didnt look good after he got back from his injury, but then again not many did. Im not saying he is a great footballer or anything, but he certainly have some valuable skills like pace and durability.

its a lot easier to learn a player how to position themself or improve their dicipline than more technique based attributes. I even read on here that ppl cant wait to see what Poch can do with Davies after seeing what he did for Shaw, but why cant he teach and improve Rose?

LB are amongst our weakest spots i agree, but i wouldnt be suprised if Poch wants to wait and see how Rose looks in training before dismissing him. His willingness to attack, athleticism, pace and durability is all important in what Poch wants his fullbacks to do.

Was just about to write similar.
Rose was decent til his injury & got hung out to dry by Sherwood's tactics.
Sure his attitude seemed questionable as was his positioning, but the coherence of the whole side was utter shite under Sherwood, no wonder heads started dropping. There's still a good player in Rose but it's become a stock opinion to think he's shite. There's always one boo boy and he's it right now, which is somewhat harsh IMHO>

whitechina · Jul 6, 2014

panoma said:
Cant believe how much shit Danny Rose gets on here lol.

He was our best player during last years preseason, and looked good until he got injured. In fact when he was injured we were all desperate for him to get back quick.

Sure he didnt look good after he got back from his injury, but then again not many did. Im not saying he is a great footballer or anything, but he certainly have some valuable skills like pace and durability.

its a lot easier to learn a player how to position themself or improve their dicipline than more technique based attributes. I even read on here that ppl cant wait to see what Poch can do with Davies after seeing what he did for Shaw, but why cant he teach and improve Rose?

LB are amongst our weakest spots i agree, but i wouldnt be suprised if Poch wants to wait and see how Rose looks in training before dismissing him. His willingness to attack, athleticism, pace and durability is all important in what Poch wants his fullbacks to do.

Did you go to the Hong Kong game on the Saturday against SChina? Even against a very poor team Rose contributed one cross the entire time he was on the pitch. he was skinned a few times and showed contempt that day that even some supporters behind the goal (Spurs section) groaned (me included!)

Gedson100 · Jul 6, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
thanks for replying(unlike the rest of the sc red cross pussy brigade). personally i don't see how it's unbalanced, i even outlined the rough numbers and there's no position that we actually need a player in. it's not like we have zero left backs, we actually have two dedicated left backs and two who can cover if needed. this is the same squad that just 10 months ago was being proclaimed title challengers or at worst top four finishers by most on here, now we need more signings, you say the squad is close but this squad is permanently close ... even if we sign five more players, we're only going to be saying the same this time next year. we basically spin players of similar quality and can't understand why we don't improve. daniel levy should stop spending money to finish between 5th and 7th, unless we go nuts we're not finishing any higher and no matter what we do we're not finishing any lower than 7th as the rest of the league is a big step off in quality.

Having a coach with a solid inclusive strategy for an entire year & the seven signings from last year having a full pre-season & year's worth of experience at the club are two massive factors.

Liverpool's good run last year wasn't on the back of their new signings, they mostly fared poorly, it was the signings of Coutinho & Sturridge in January that provided their extra spark albeit a full 8/9 months later.

No patience in this game!

Blake Griffin · Jul 6, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Have you considered that maybe Poch wants new signing? Or did that just pass your mind? There's no point going on about wanting to see Poch improve the squad if he wants new signings himself...

i don't know what he wants. i wish you'd stop perpetuating this idea that he needs ben davies because he wants to improve a home grown player. he's already got one and arguably another in that position for god's sake. wah wah wah, but i want a new toy! unless we're going to stump up the money for a luke shaw or similar then spending £10m+ on a player no better than what we have is just a waste of resources. we may as well just save up and put it towards the new stadium if that's all we're going to keep doing.

Barry Mead · Jul 6, 2014

mpickard2087 said:
I don't know why people are getting annoyed. I'd much rather the new manager came in and properly assessed everyone we have at the club (both established players and what we have in the U21's/youths), exhaust all the possibilities of what the current players can potentially bring to his way of playing and then look to buy after that, rather than spunking many more millions on players for the sake of it. If we don't buy for another transfer window or two then so be it.

I'd also say on the evidence of Poch's managerial career so far (both from Southampton and what I have read on his time at Espanyol) he is largely someone who works best with what he has got rather than someone who buys in players.

Well to a degree, but I would expect any manager being offered the job had done his homework on players and had a very good feel where the strengths and weaknesses were and who had a pretty clear idea of who he wanted to keep, who he didn't and then others who he would want to look at more closely before a definite decision

If a new manager is really unsure about where we need to strengthen and about our weak links then I would suggest they are not the right person for the job. Obviously there are areas that can be improved on and those can be looked at more over a time assessing options but clear weaknesses should be pretty obvious

As for what he has done in his career it is a pretty short managerial career and at two clubs that haven't been huge investors in new players even if Soton spent a few million in the last couple of seasons. The reality is that a good manager needs to be good at developing home grown talent where he feels those players could be serious challengers, but equally has to be shrewd enough to judge weaknesses that need to be addressed in the transfer market and to identify the players that can provide what is lacking. It's not enough to be able to develop home grown talent because it's unlikely that even the best academy in the world will produce all the players needed to strengthen a first team

dondo · Jul 6, 2014

Blake Griffin said:
rose
assou-ekotto
vertonghen
fryers

liverpool nearly won the league playing a combination of aly cissokho and jon flanagan at left back. it's misguided optimism to think that buying a half decent(that's all ben davies is) left back is going to make a big difference. in the grand scheme of things even if he performs well you've maybe improved the team by 2%. that's not worth an outlay of £10m+ and we already have players available in that position.

Flanagan is a good defender none of our lot are good defenders at left back.
It would improve us by more than 2% to have a good defender at left back, towards the end of the season teams were targeting rose as a weak point and getting a lot of success

panoma · Jul 6, 2014

whitechina said:
Did you go to the Hong Kong game on the Saturday against SChina? Even against a very poor team Rose contributed one cross the entire time he was on the pitch. he was skinned a few times and showed contempt that day that even some supporters behind the goal (Spurs section) groaned (me included!)

During our last Asia tour everyone was really bad and so was the pitch. But vs teams like Monaco he was one of few positives.

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