"Only Jews and Pussies"

Mullers said:

In the bit that you quoted the poster was talking about his experience. Yes it was only 5 people holding up a racist sign but there is a history there, so it's inevitable that discussion will broaden more.

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So when England fans do nothing more than sing songs overseas and get battered by that countries police over nothing, that's ok because we have history of hooliganism? Why should any majority regardless of nationality have to be burdened by the actions of the few?

whitesocks said:

It was a remarkably well made banner and I do not believe a small group would go to all that trouble and expense to display their work just once (twice if they bring it to whl...).

I feel FK Partizan sponsored it or allowed their ultras (or whatever they call themselves) to produce and display it prominently. If UEFA think it is offensive then it is fully justified that the club take the full hit for any fine. It is not the work of a few individuals imo.

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I work in large format print. It's a 10 minute job.

spurs9 said:

So when England fans do nothing more than sing songs overseas and get battered by that countries police over nothing, that's ok because we have history of hooliganism?

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No of course not.

spurs9 said:

Why should any majority regardless of nationality have to be burdened by the actions of the few?

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It doesn't have to be that way if the countries authorities take proper action to try and stop things like this happen it becomes less than a burden and of course UEFA, FIFA need to take proper action too.

TaoistMonkey said:

yeah I got that, just couldn't believe it.

If two back gentlemen are calling each other N***er. Try joining their conversation and do the same

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The N word analogy, in relation to our use of Yid, is quite unfortunate. The vast majority of our fans are not Jewish, so if we're consistent with the analogy, the vast majority have no business using the word.

Mullers said:

Do you think Partizan are doing enough to combat racism in their ground?

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Racism is problem that shows up rarely, (but when it shows up it makes mess). They don't do much about it but I don't blame them. What Spurs have done to prevent racism in last year? - I am guessing nothing, because there is no need.
Lamine Diarra, Almami Moreiera, Medo Kamara didn't have any problems in FKP or in Serbia.

I would do things differently, but that's just me.

I don't see the problem.

Mullers said:

In the bit that you quoted the poster was talking about his experience. Yes it was only 5 people holding up a racist sign but there is a history there, so it's inevitable that discussion will broaden more.

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Sorry mate, but I disagree entirely. If he said, 'I was thrown in a concentration camp' you might have a point about personal experience but saying that you've 'seen' atrocities committed in your lifetime is just about the most irrelevant thing written in the whole 8 pages. I bet every single one of us can remember numerous atrocities that happened in our lifetimes, but what the hell has that got to do with a few a blokes holding up a sign which makes no reference to them?

Which brings me neatly back to my point that the whole thing has been massively blown out of proportion.

Dear football aficionados in Serbia and Europe,

Football match between Partizan and Tottenham was eagerly awaited in our city and we watched fine performance from both teams in a fair-play sporting atmosphere. But, this game was marred by malicious act of certain individuals who made all the efforts from our players and our club to prove we deserve our spot in football Europe worthless.

FC Partizan resolutely disavows with anti-semitic banner displayed yesterday. Message displayed on that banner is completely opposite to preferences and opinions of almost all citizens of Serbia and Partizan fans. It`s absolutely absurd to link club that was founded after the WWII on anti-fascist principles and after the battle of people of Europe with anti-semitism and similar dark and anti-civilization impulses.

We fully condemn perpetrators of this mindless act, not only of anti-semitic nature, but one that represents hatred of Partizan and Serbia as well. We believe this vicious action will not spoil our sporting friendship with Tottenham FC and football aficionados in Great Britain. In cooperation with competent authorities, Partizan FC will do everything to locate, trial and ban those perpetrators from sporting fields.

We apologize to everyone who found themselves insulted and upset by this banner.Once again, we point out that such banner message is completely opposite to history and tradition of our club, and our fans aspirations.



Belgrade, 19th of September, 2014.

FK Partizan

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http://www.en.partizan.rs/53797-partizan-fc-announcement/

*no bold in original text. It is PR, but I believe that it is honest.

Sarsipius said:

In fact, I was actually more offended by @DaSpurs' use of the word 'Aryan' in describing himself (I presume) as a blue-eyed, white person.

Not only is it factually incorrect (please research where the 'Aryans' actually come from) it's totally un-PC given that it is a term almost entirely appropriated by the Nazi party to describe a perverse and distorted ideal of 'perfected' man-kind.

Dude, when was the last time you filled in a form that had a box named 'Aryan' under ethnicity??

They don't even use the similarly inaccurate though rather less offensive term 'Caucasian', anymore. Have you been hiding under a rock these last years man???

And to think this is a thread about being offended by being called Jews and Pussies. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here!?!

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You missed the point mate. The point was not to create some "pedestal," but rather point out I was offended by the poster believing it to be of racist intent at the time while making a satirical nod to my own specific ethnicity (i.e. not Jewish, but of an ethnicity not so long ago which the word left a bitter taste of the poster's targeted ethnicity - apparently still not so long ago to some).

If you were offended, I apologize. But I guarantee you the intent was very much in the opposite direction.

PartizanBelgrade said:

In fact our girls love black people.

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Right; next lads holiday for me is to Belgrade now

PartizanBelgrade said:

On streets of Belgrade you can see every day people wearing Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, Chelsea shirt.

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Must be like spotting a needle in a haystack!

CornerPinDreamer said:

it does bother me, sadly, within my lifetime, I have seen Serbs put Catholics and Muslims into concentration camps . there is no politic that explains that at all.. thats just being barbaric scum

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Hello everyone. I too had to register in attepmt to provide some facts about Serbia, also to answer to such monstrous twist of history facts as cited above and also to say thank you to all the chaps here who did't fall into histeria over few 'trendy rasists' or more likely just plain idiots and their realy bad joke.
Just few short facts:
- Serbs and Jews were killed by nazis in concentration camps. Especially by croatian nazis called ustase
and muslim troops in SS division. Serbs were allies with the Brits, not Croats & Muslims.
Beleive me - I'm mixed breed and dont hate anyone.
Look up 'Jasenovac concentration camp' on the web. This was one of the reasons for civil war in the 1990's
to break out so easly but not the only one. Hence, majority of Serbs are not anti-jew. There are always
some % of morons who beleive in conspiracy theories or some small % of right wingers.
As some blokes mentioned it here - they aim was probably to provoke & disturb the oponent, not shure thou.
- Belgrade & Serbia are multicultural places wit all religions and races present.
In fact Serbia is most diversive country in that way from all of ex Yugoslavia.
- Danny Rose problem in U21 game started cause he was stallin the game. He was not the only one coloured
player on the pitch at that time but only him received the whistles. He reacted badly so he got more.
He reacted again after a while so the monkey chants started by some people - maybe dozen of whole stadium.
Again, their aim was to disbalance Danny Rose due to his behavior.
As someone said before here - unlike british - people here dont have history of colonial wars and slavery
and rasism and in most cases are not aware of sensitivity of the context as you are.
And again - there is a certain % of hoolingans, skinheads, rasist, right wingers as in any other country.
- Please ask your mates who spent a day in Belgrade how friendy people were towards them and then make
conclusion.
- Serbian people are crazy about british humour (very close to serbian) and TV comedy's.

In the end - let's talk football - some people here (mostly Red Star fans) say you played with
'B' or even 'C' team.. what is your oppinon, i mean you know your players well.
We were once a biger country and had better league now we got to be happy with small change.

With warm regards from Belgrade,
BB
P.S.
Realy liked the Plonkers idea for reply banner. That's more like british response.

THFCSPURS19 said:

To the non-Jews saying "I don't know why Jews were offended"- please be quiet.

I'm Jewish and I was offended and I know other Jews who were offended.

The intent of the banner was to offend Jewish fans of the clubs- it's pretty clear.

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I'm not trying to antaganise anyone and have an honest question for you as I'm one of the non-Jews who's who doesn't see why it's so offensive. Tell me to piss off if I'm getting in to a sensitive area but I would really like to know, from a Jewish person, what is offensive about the sign?

Son, I am disappoint

THFCSPURS19 said:

The fine will be a packet of crisps probably.

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That's a bit harsh - would no doubt send them into administration

Djordje Cvetkovic said:

Racism is problem that shows up rarely, (but when it shows up it makes mess). They don't do much about it but I don't blame them. What Spurs have done to prevent racism in last year? - I am guessing nothing, because there is no need.

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I disagree mate, there is always a need to be active and educate. Spurs have their share of racist fans too.
This is what the club say.

Tottenham Hotspur Football Club does not tolerate discrimination in any form at the Club, on the pitch or in the stands. As such, we take part in a number of anti-racism initiatives each season. Together with the rest of the football community, we proudly participate in a week of action in partnership with Kick Racism out of Football, aimed at eliminating racism from the game permanently. This is particularly important to the Club as the Tottenham area is one of the most ethnically diverse in Europe.

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http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/the-club/charities/

Djordje Cvetkovic said:

Lamine Diarra, Almami Moreiera, Medo Kamara didn't have any problems in FKP or in Serbia.

I would do things differently, but that's just me.

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That isn't exactly correct.

Lamine Diarra sent off and then racially abused by the home fans in an ill-tempered affair.

Borac fans, twice punished for racist attacks on their own players over the past two years, directed monkey chants at Diarra as he left the pitch in the 87th minute.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2008/03/31/soccer-europe-eastern-roundup-idUKSP14209420080331

It's clear from they sign that they view jews as inferior. The sign was meant as an insult. Considering the behaviour of their fans in the past it's hardly a surprise.

It's interesting the amount of people on this thread who don't mind being called a pussy. I guess that if the cap fits.....

SteveH said:

Of course it is Mullers! But not everybody judging by yesterday's example understands that 'intention'. So although I personally have little or no problem with 'yid army' as it is 'intended'. I would not use it as its encourages incidences like yesterday.

Yid army is a/was just a football chant. Which has been hijacked by many on all sides of the argument and blown out of all proportion.

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Surely that's like saying to a gay person that they shouldn't be overly camp because in doing so they might incite homophobic insults.

RickyVilla said:

It's interesting the amount of people on this thread who don't mind being called a pussy. I guess that if the cap fits.....

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It certainly does.



Oy vey.

Ivan Partizan said:

I must tell you something about this
You in western europe and US, you live with black poeple in your cities and you have problem with racist.
We in Serbia, we dont even see black man in street for a months, we dont hate them, we dont have problems with racism, we are very hostitable nation. Black players who played in our club, we loved them like brothers.
Our problem is that we dont know anything about racism, so if someone piss off us, it is normal for us to insult him like: if he is fat fat ****, if he is black black ****.
Our couch is bald and Red Strar fans cald him bald pussy.
With muslims is very different story,because of the war with Bosnia but that is poltic and I dont want to bother you with that.

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Sorry Ivan I know you wish to defend your country but every nation has a problem with racism. Ok you may not have seen it going on but it doesn't mean there is no problem.