Tottenham Vs West Brom: Match Thread

Barry Mead · Sep 21, 2014

CrazyHeart said:
He was building a structure while still grinding out results. You also make it sound like every single game under him was a boring sludge-fest, which clearly wasn't the case. In most of 'those' games it was the strikers (chiefly Soldado) that accounted for the goal droughts. Chances were created, but the finishing was the problem... that's down to the players.

It takes time for seven new players to gel - shoot, they STILL haven't gelled for Chrissakes! It's going to take time to fix our players and get them playing as a unit... Poch is not immune to this brute fact.

For practically all of the games under AVB last season it was boring and a sludge fest and we spent far too much time in deep midfield playing nondescript possession football that got us nowhere. You can't blame strikers for failing to score if our build up was so slow the opposition were behind the ball and organised long before we ever got close to attacking the final third.
It might take time for players to gel but it's not just about new players you have to get the balance right and last season a lot of our biggest problems were the players that had already been around

goughie1966 · Sep 21, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
We've played well once all season.
Against the worst side in the league.

I wasn't keen on Pochettino.
I'm still a long way from being convinced.

I still believe he'll be gone before the end of next season.

AVB, Sherwood now Poch. Hmmmm maybe the players need to carry some responsibility? I wanted Frank De Boar, but there's no way he'd get anymore out of this bunch of players.

jesh · Sep 21, 2014

nedley said:
Can anybody point me in the direction of some post match comments from Poch?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29303364?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

stevenurse · Sep 21, 2014

If Fazio and Vertonghen don't start vs arsenal I dread to think what's going to happen

only1waddle · Sep 21, 2014

Yes we need a few changes in personnel, yes Poch made a couple of bad calls today on the starting line up and the subs, but and its a big ole but, its the total lack of concentration, the idea that turning up is all that matters, the general malaise and a side devoid of switching on for 90 minutes, misplaced passes almost greeted with "oh well it doesn't matter", switch on, pass and move, make it count.
I do have faith in Poch but i cant help feeling our beloved club is riddled with an apathetic attitude, the only way to get rid of this is to build from the ground up, with a strong coach who is trusted by the board.

TottenhamMattSpur · Sep 21, 2014

goughie1966 said:
AVB, Sherwood now Poch. Hmmmm maybe the players need to carry some responsibility? I wanted Frank De Boar, but there's no way he'd get anymore out of this bunch of players.

Well Poch had all summer to right sine wrongs but failed.
We kept spectacularly bad players this summer and failed to sign anything worth writing home about.

RickyVilla · Sep 21, 2014

mattdefoe said:
Paulinho. Dear oh dear.. I can not defend this guy any more, comes on and is given a chance to impress.. barged off the ball, horrible distribution , stupid fouls.

Headless chicken comes to mind! These signings are due to people like baldini I'm sure of it... he looks complete garbage.

Is it just me who feels this...

Surprised that you picked him out of the whole team. There were much worse culprits.

THFCSPURS19 · Sep 21, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
We've played well once all season.
Against the worst side in the league.

I wasn't keen on Pochettino.
I'm still a long way from being convinced.

I still believe he'll be gone before the end of next season.

Well, his case isn't going to be helped if people like you have this negative attitude.

Krafty · Sep 21, 2014

Terrible, terrible performance, in almost every single area, from initial selection, subs, player performance and the crowd. A real bad day.

Only Lloris comes out of it with credit, and Lamela at least tried to do something threatening. Too many of our players are either unable or afraid of passing the ball forward, and it comes from the heart of our midfield. Eriksen isn't getting on the ball enough, and the two behind him are so static they are in danger of rigamortis.

Chadli and Lamela narrow us up too much, and because the defence and attack and the centre backs are susceptible to anyone with pace/movement, we can't do a full court press to keep the full backs high.

Centre backs are getting caught on the ball, the two deeper central midfielders are not offering enough either forward or back, we don't have width, we don't play with pace, and we can't defend set pieces! Not a good day indeed.

goughie1966 · Sep 21, 2014

Barry Mead said:
Maybe not but surely you pick a team that can show some drive and desire, surely you pick a cb pairing that can defend rather than look like a circus double act that should be dressed in red noses and size 18's, you pick a captain that can lead by example and who is good enough to play in the team, you pick a vice captain that shows that desire rather than takes it easy. You actually pick players that do work rather than waft around and if they don't you make early changes rather than leaving things to the last half hour and the last 15 minutes
Surely that is the point of having a coach, you work with the players, inspire them to go out and really try, pick the players you feel will give you that, make subs count if they don't and don't reward players with the captaincy or vice captaincy if they don't merit it
The whole point about picking a team is to pick a team that will go out and play and show drive desire and determination along with the skills needed for their given roles. If you don't pick the right players then chances are you get the kind of display we had today. No doubt players have to take some of the blame but Poch got it badly wrong today and the bulk of the blame has to lie at his door

I have said us much in other posts. Poch probably thought Kaboul and Verts were good enough against the mighty West Brom. And they should have been. They weren't. I hope he doesn't get caught out again. I'm not that bothered about the captain's roll. There's not a leader amongst the whole squad and Roy Keane wouldn't have made much difference today.

Yes Poch is to share the blame. But the majority of it is against the players. They weren't interested, couldn't be bothered. I'll never accept that Poch said go and stroll around for 90 minutes boys and only pass 5 yards sideways!

TH1239 · Sep 21, 2014

The problem with this season being treated as a transitional one is that it will cost us quality players like Lloris and Vertonghen. How can you expect Pochettino to improve in a second pressure packed season when he will almost assuredly lose key players very late in the transfer window (look at recent history as to when Levy sold Modric, Bale, Berbatov, Van der Vaart, Sandro, and others) and have to deal with a stringent transfer policy that often times makes it difficult to bring in players you want? Does anyone think Brendan Rodgers would still be at Liverpool after his first season if Henry didn't give him massive funds to bring in players without selling off any of his key squad members two summers ago? Liverpool have a 90 million pound net spend in Rodgers time there, so any comparison between Poch and Rodgers simply isn't credible for me, as Levy likely won't give Pochettino even a modicum of money above sales to really improve the squad.

This is a very difficult job, made all the more difficult by Levy's expectations. When you factor in the fact that lots of teams are buoyed financially by the new television deal and are reinvesting in their squads, it's going to make it very difficult for any team engaging in austerity to progress.

RickyVilla · Sep 21, 2014

THFCSPURS19 said:
Well, his case isn't going to be helped if people like you have this negative attitude.

He is the resident panto villain. I wouldn't worry too much.

CrazyHeart · Sep 21, 2014

Barry Mead said:
For practically all of the games under AVB last season it was boring and a sludge fest and we spent far too much time in deep midfield playing nondescript possession football that got us nowhere. You can't blame strikers for failing to score if our build up was so slow the opposition were behind the ball and organised long before we ever got close to attacking the final third.
It might take time for players to gel but it's not just about new players you have to get the balance right and last season a lot of our biggest problems were the players that had already been around

Disagree with you on the volume of 'sludge' games. That being said, for me, familiarizing the team to a system was exactly the platform needed to elevate the football for the long term. Not playing high-speed, high-intensity, high-risk football week in week out was a small price to pay for the greater good. But that's my opinion.

jesh · Sep 21, 2014

mattdefoe said:
Paulinho. Dear oh dear.. I can not defend this guy any more, comes on and is given a chance to impress.. barged off the ball, horrible distribution , stupid fouls.

Headless chicken comes to mind! These signings are due to people like baldini I'm sure of it... he looks complete garbage.

Is it just me who feels this...

You're not alone. I can't imagine how this guy was the third best player in the confederations cup.

goughie1966 · Sep 21, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
Well Poch had all summer to right sine wrongs but failed.
We kept spectacularly bad players this summer and failed to sign anything worth writing home about.

We had itk that Poch, Levy and Baldini sat down and decided the players to bring and what we'd pay. Levy even offered over budget apparently but we still didn't get them. What players do you think we should have got?

Jody · Sep 21, 2014

First game I've missed on TV or at whl in 5 years. Went surfing and lay in the sun on the beach. Think I made a great call!

TH1239 · Sep 21, 2014

goughie1966 said:
AVB, Sherwood now Poch. Hmmmm maybe the players need to carry some responsibility? I wanted Frank De Boar, but there's no way he'd get anymore out of this bunch of players.

The difference with De Boer would've been that he would've already had two deputies who he knew well to carry out his philosophy in our starting XI, who also happen to be our best attacking and defensive players. Poch really needed Schneiderlin and our lack of transfer spending simply isn't doing him any favors.

Blake Griffin · Sep 21, 2014

goughie1966 said:
We had itk that Poch, Levy and Baldini sat down and decided the players to bring and what we'd pay. Levy even offered over budget apparently but we still didn't get them. What players do you think we should have got?

that's the problem, enic just don't have the capital. if the manager wants musacchio and schneiderlin then these are players we should be able to bring to the club, instead he has to make do with cheaper options.

only1waddle · Sep 21, 2014

TottenhamMattSpur said:
Well Poch had all summer to right sine wrongs but failed.
We kept spectacularly bad players this summer and failed to sign anything worth writing home about.

No he didn't, we had stacks of players on the books and 15 or so players that were at the world cup, add in a tour of America and it was a pretty fractured transfer window.

Jimmypearce7 · Sep 21, 2014

Utter tripe. Clueless, no movement no effort.

I thought Poccehtino was supposed to be a good coach. No evidence of that.

Our policy of selling top players and replacing them with mediocre ones isn't working.

Second season and last years signings look more pony than ever.

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