Spurs hater David Baddeil in "not that Jewish" shocker!!!!

talkshowhost86 · Dec 30, 2014

CosmicHotspur said:
Not that Jewish (whether you practise the religion or not) is a bit like being not that pregnant.

Either you are or you aren't.

That's clearly not true though.

It's like Christians who don't attend church. Just because they do it their own way doesn't make them 'less Christian' and I'm sure there are similar degrees of following Judaism.

Some, for example, may choose to ignore the eating pork element as they believe that it was something more relevant to the past than the present, but they can still follow other elements of the faith.

Baddiel is a hypocrite for his views on Spurs and Chelsea fans and what they sing, but he's genuinely done nothing wrong here.

Disconosebleed · Dec 30, 2014

He was on a comedy show. It was a joke. Not a funny one I'll grant you, but clearly a joke nonetheless.

A nothing incident brought up by people desperate to have some dirt to throw at him. Pathetic.

Archibald&Crooks · Dec 30, 2014

We hate Baddiel, we hate this commentator, we hate that analyist, this guys a ****, that guys a cock. Its incessant. Can't we just bring them all together under one heading and come right out with it? We hate everyone. If anyone were to ever list them all i'm pretty sure it'd have to run to several volumes.

We're such a sour bunch aren't we?

prawnsandwich · Dec 30, 2014

All this from "I'm not THAT Jewish?"

Mullers · Dec 30, 2014

TheSpillage said:
I don't get the hate for him. I don't really mind him. Don't agree with him but I think his heart's probably in the right place.

The hate is because he doesn't agree that we should use Yid or Yiddo and he's a chelsea fan. So there are some people that will take any opportunity to smear his name.

There is no bid deal here, he's just having a little joke, I didn't see this much outrage from people when sections of our support were singing about Adebayor's dad washing elephants and his mum being a whore.

All Baddiel has done has made yid an issue for discussion which I think is fair enough regardless of whether people think he's right or not.

CosmicHotspur · Dec 30, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
That's clearly not true though.

It's like Christians who don't attend church. Just because they do it their own way doesn't make them 'less Christian' and I'm sure there are similar degrees of following Judaism.

Some, for example, may choose to ignore the eating pork element as they believe that it was something more relevant to the past than the present, but they can still follow other elements of the faith.

Baddiel is a hypocrite for his views on Spurs and Chelsea fans and what they sing, but he's genuinely done nothing wrong here.

Being Jewish (Semitic) is a racial bloodline, not a religious choice unless it's an adopted religion of course by someone not born with that racial heritage. That's what I meant, nothing to do with how much you follow or practise a religion.

When he said he wasn't that Jewish he was referring to the religious rituals and beliefs rather than his ancestry. Yes I know it was said as a throwaway humorous remark but obviously such are always open to interpretation and people are often looking for a deeper meaning where there may not be one.

TheSpillage · Dec 30, 2014

Mullers said:
The hate is because he doesn't agree that we should use Yid or Yiddo and he's a chelsea fan. So there are some people that will take any opportunity to smear his name.

There is no bid deal here, he's just having a little joke, I didn't see this much outrage from people when sections of our support were singing about Adebayor's dad washing elephants and his mum being a whore.

All Baddiel has done has made yid an issue for discussion which I think is fair enough regardless of whether people think he's right or not.

Yeah, I agree. I think there's also an element who are frightened that if they don't slag him off people might think they're bad Tottenham fans!

davidmatzdorf · Dec 30, 2014

benski said:
You say people don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity then call someone racist for talking shit about Jews (a religion not an ethnicity). Sounds like you may be a little confused yourself fella.

The bit in bold makes your post scarcely worth responding too.

You obviously understand next to nil about what it means to be Jewish.

Mustard · Dec 30, 2014

End of the day the blokes a **** but without the depth or charm.

Jew or not.

talkshowhost86 · Dec 30, 2014

CosmicHotspur said:
Being Jewish (Semitic) is a racial bloodline, not a religious choice unless it's an adopted religion of course by someone not born with that racial heritage. That's what I meant, nothing to do with how much you follow or practise a religion.

When he said he wasn't that Jewish he was referring to the religious rituals and beliefs rather than his ancestry. Yes I know it was said as a throwaway humorous remark but obviously such are always open to interpretation and people are often looking for a deeper meaning where there may not be one.

Probably scope for a massive debate about the difference between being a religious Jew or a Semitic Jew here, and this is not the place for it, but he was obviously saying that there are parts of the religious element that he doesn't follow.

Really don't think there's much scope to have a go at him here.

prawnsandwich · Dec 30, 2014

Baddiel has amused me over the years. He is a genius being the first (?) comic to mine the seam of being a football supporter.
I don't hate people because they support a different football team to me.

avonspurs · Dec 30, 2014

prawnsandwich said:
All this from "I'm not THAT Jewish?"

Transfer window isn't open yet - gotta talk about something

prawnsandwich · Dec 30, 2014

avonspurs said:
Transfer window isn't open yet - gotta talk about something

LOL!
35 hours to go!!

Stavrogin · Dec 30, 2014

TheSpillage said:
I just think there's something a little bit childish about all the hate. This perception that he hates Spurs which is the only reason he campaigned against the use of the word yid is, I suspect, untrue. And so what if he does hate Spurs? Why care? We hate Chelsea. The level of offence that people seem to take is like the guy has punched our kids in the face.

I think you're misunderstanding the situation. Which is fair enough since most people aren't able to conjugate why there is such a visceral reaction here. (and this thread is an over-reaction)

His position may be wrong, counter-productive, self-selving etc. but he has a right to say what he feels. The problem is about who he is. Baddiel is massively wealthy and ridiculously privileged. When he wants to raise this issue he can go straight on television or put a column in a newspaper, where he can put across his view as if it is the truth with no reply. What's even worse is that we live in a climate where these kinds of stories have a primed audience. So there's an immediate call and response thing going on, where the well meaning but uninformed 'layman' can take up the cause.

Add to that professional bodies such as Kick it out and the Society of Black Lawyers who, for differing reasons, may need to investigate, and the average man, who not only thinks he is right but also that his position is more progressive and enlightened, will feel alienated and beleaguered by this scenario.

stewartd · Dec 30, 2014

davidmatzdorf said:
The bit in bold makes your post scarcely worth responding too.

You obviously understand next to nil about what it means to be Jewish.

Don't think you do either Matzdorf you sound like another left wing Hampstead apologist Jew.

shelfmonkey · Dec 30, 2014

So Baddeil's not (that) Jewish?!! Therefore he must be ****ish!!

CosmicHotspur · Dec 30, 2014

Acid - for the sake of debate, what did you disagree with?

Navin R Johnson · Dec 30, 2014

Mullers said:
The hate is because he doesn't agree that we should use Yid or Yiddo and he's a chelsea fan. So there are some people that will take any opportunity to smear his name.

There is no bid deal here, he's just having a little joke, I didn't see this much outrage from people when sections of our support were singing about Adebayor's dad washing elephants and his mum being a whore.

All Baddiel has done has made yid an issue for discussion which I think is fair enough regardless of whether people think he's right or not.

I saw masses of outrage re the Adebeyour song, admittedly on another board rather than this one and a similar amount over the Judas song. I wasn't particularly troubled by what Baddiel said last night, earlier in the thread I was simply restating the opinions I've held ever since he first brought this issue to public attention.

Both he and Herbert have let this one go, I think it's a tacit admission that their misplaced opportunism has failed to achieve any significant support. Herbert is an odious opportunist, someone in the Clarkson/Littlejohn/Dacre mould who preys on those for whom thinking is merely a knee jerk reaction to impulses. Probably why he got on so well with Rio Ferdinand.

Acid · Dec 30, 2014

CosmicHotspur said:
Acid - for the sake of debate, what did you disagree with?

I'm on my phone currently which isn't the best for typing on. I don't really want to debate it, been there done that enough in the past but for me it's a religion not a "race" and religion is a personal spiritual thing. A choice you as a human of the earth make not being consigned to man made groups blah blah etc. Debating it on here will just lead to circular discussions shrugs.

dudu · Dec 30, 2014

Acid said:
I'm on my phone currently which isn't the best for typing on. I don't really want to debate it, been there done that enough in the past but for me it's a religion not a "race" and religion is a personal spiritual thing. A choice you as a human of the earth make not being consigned to man made groups blah blah etc. Debating it on here will just lead to circular discussions shrugs.

Sorry buddy - you're incorrect - it is absolutely not just a spiritual thing - its being part of a tribe / race / ethnicity.

You are always considered to be Jewish by the religion even if you covert to another.

I am absolutely 100% a Jew despite not believing in, practicing or having any spiritual affiliation to the religion at all.

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