Spurs hater David Baddeil in "not that Jewish" shocker!!!!

[Navin R Johnson]

He actually gave a great analysis of England's chances going into a tournament with Graham Taylor in charge many years ago on TMWE, he called it spot on as well as events transpired, I've never been able to dig it up since despite trawling Youtube and t'internet. He's still wrong on concentrating on changing Spurs fans rather than Chelsea's though.

 

[dondo]

I think what the op is saying, is that we need to see a birth certificate.

Dropping his trousers would do the job too

 

[stewartd]

Hitler would have found him totally 100% Jewish and his wise cracks wouldn't have saved him from the gas chamber.
Man is a piece of shit and a disgrace to his race.

 

[225]

Hitler would have found him totally 100% Jewish and his wise cracks wouldn't have saved him from the gas chamber.
Man is a piece of shit and a disgrace to his race.

 

[guiltyparty]

He does have issues with racist Chelsea fans - but for some reason we never seem to listen to that side of his argument. A couple of articles where he talks about racism he's experienced at Chelsea:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/17/david-cameron-yid-really-is-race-hate-word

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...ed-racism-out-of-english-football-614251.html

Hmm. Thanks, hadnt read those. But when you compare those to what he's written about Spurs directly, he does seem to be absolving "his" club of much blame. A what-ya-gunna-do-style reaction.

"Many Chelsea fans who I have challenged feel they are justified because 'the Yids is what Spurs call themselves'."

What's that got to do with gas chamber hissing? Or shouting at Berkovic? Or that their fans do it far more than other fans of clubs that are bigger rivals with us (Arsenal)?

He says it's not all about Spurs, but it is, as he's effectively victim blaming. He's saying if Spurs shut up, then Chelsea fans would too. Do you believe that? Because I don't for a second.

It's a difficult one. I've stopped chanting it myself as I'm terribly liberal and I genuinely don't want to offend right minded people, but I'm really not on board with a lot of Baddiel's thinking

 

[riggi]

 

[Metalhead]

Just watching 8 out of 10 cats do countdown and David Baddeil is one of the guests.

Two people mentioned not using the word "porked" so as not to offend the proud defender of the Jew*

His reply was "Oh come on I'm not that Jewish"

I'd love to hear him explain that one.



*May or not have been proclaimed by Mr Baddeil in his anti Spurs rants.

I think he meant that he's not that orthodox (i.e. religious).

 

[Metalhead]

Hmm. Thanks, hadnt read those. But when you compare those to what he's written about Spurs directly, he does seem to be absolving "his" club of much blame. A what-ya-gunna-do-style reaction.

"Many Chelsea fans who I have challenged feel they are justified because 'the Yids is what Spurs call themselves'."

What's that got to do with gas chamber hissing? Or shouting at Berkovic? Or that their fans do it far more than other fans of clubs that are bigger rivals with us (Arsenal)?

He says it's not all about Spurs, but it is, as he's effectively victim blaming. He's saying if Spurs shut up, then Chelsea fans would too. Do you believe that? Because I don't for a second.

It's a difficult one. I've stopped chanting it myself as I'm terribly liberal and I genuinely don't want to offend right minded people, but I'm really not on board with a lot of Baddiel's thinking

Surely the Chelsea owner himself would have an issue with anti-semitic fans being that he is Jewish.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Surely the Chelsea owner himself would have an issue with anti-semitic fans being that he is Jewish.

I don't think he's a man of principle any more than David Baddiel is.

 

[tony_parkes]

I'd probably use a different set of words, but I've expressed the same sentiment countless times, usually when itchy/twitchy Gentiles, trying to bend over backwards not to appear anti-semitic and uncomfortable, make total arses of themselves by making clumsy 'ha-ha' comments about not eating pork. People who don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity. People who, basically, don't know any Jews and cannot prevent themselves from broadcasting their acute discomfort with anyone of an ethnicity that is not the same as their own.

These kinds of comments are the direct equivalent of itchy/twitchy white people, who feel totally uncomfortable in the presence of black people, making cringeworthy comments about 'liking reggae' and 'having had a black friend at school'.

I understand perfectly where Baddiel is coming from here. The whole encounter was predicated on subtle anti-semitism.

I'm as Jewish as you can be and still be an atheist, but I can easily imagine a situation where I'd say 'I'm not that Jewish', not because it's true, but because it is the best option, when confronted with a racist fuckwit.

Do you eat pork?

 

[TheSpillage]

Hmm. Thanks, hadnt read those. But when you compare those to what he's written about Spurs directly, he does seem to be absolving "his" club of much blame. A what-ya-gunna-do-style reaction.

"Many Chelsea fans who I have challenged feel they are justified because 'the Yids is what Spurs call themselves'."

What's that got to do with gas chamber hissing? Or shouting at Berkovic? Or that their fans do it far more than other fans of clubs that are bigger rivals with us (Arsenal)?

He says it's not all about Spurs, but it is, as he's effectively victim blaming. He's saying if Spurs shut up, then Chelsea fans would too. Do you believe that? Because I don't for a second.

It's a difficult one. I've stopped chanting it myself as I'm terribly liberal and I genuinely don't want to offend right minded people, but I'm really not on board with a lot of Baddiel's thinking

Yeah, fair enough. I don't actually agree with a lot of what he says, I should point out. My original point was even though I don't agree with him, I don't understand the level of hate directed at him. I honestly think he is actually trying to effect positive change for the right reasons (ie. not as some publicity stunt, as some on here would believe). I think his admittedly heavy focus on Spurs (I would argue that's been exaggerated though) is misguided but not born out of some deep-seated hatred of us.I just find so many of the comments to be of a childish 'snot fair! He's being mean to Spurs' nature. It winds me up

 

[trasores]

i read an article which grouped him with Richard Dawkins as a "New Atheist".

hes full of contradictions (see his book signing)

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...believe-values-richard-dawkins_n_6231968.html

 

[guiltyparty]

Yeah, fair enough. I don't actually agree with a lot of what he says, I should point out. My original point was even though I don't agree with him, I don't understand the level of hate directed at him. I honestly think he is actually trying to effect positive change for the right reasons (ie. not as some publicity stunt, as some on here would believe). I think his admittedly heavy focus on Spurs (I would argue that's been exaggerated though) is misguided but not born out of some deep-seated hatred of us.I just find so many of the comments to be of a childish 'snot fair! He's being mean to Spurs' nature. It winds me up

As I say, he's a Chelsea fan who tries to make excuses for why Chelsea fans are racist. That may not be his aim, he's a cerebral guy with a very fair and interesting personal take on the word, but that's what he ends up doing, and for some that's all they see. And he has a history of mocking Spurs in his comedy, as fans of the Mary Whitehouse Experience and Fantasy Football will attest, so I'm not so sure he doesn't quite like giving Spurs a kick myself.

That said, I've always quite liked him, I find him funny, been a fan of his writing and his shows, but in this instance I do think his lack of condemnation for Chelsea is arse covering and false. Perhaps he thinks it will muddy the message and get a bit tit for tat.

I prefer the almost "everything's PC" angle at the end of one of those pieces, where he's not about censorship but equality. "I'm not really for any words being banned but if this lot over here are, this should be." That makes far more sense but wasn't front and centre in much of what he's done

 

[CosmicHotspur]

Not that Jewish (whether you practise the religion or not) is a bit like being not that pregnant.

Either you are or you aren't.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

I'd probably use a different set of words, but I've expressed the same sentiment countless times, usually when itchy/twitchy Gentiles, trying to bend over backwards not to appear anti-semitic and uncomfortable, make total arses of themselves by making clumsy 'ha-ha' comments about not eating pork. People who don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity. People who, basically, don't know any Jews and cannot prevent themselves from broadcasting their acute discomfort with anyone of an ethnicity that is not the same as their own.

These kinds of comments are the direct equivalent of itchy/twitchy white people, who feel totally uncomfortable in the presence of black people, making cringeworthy comments about 'liking reggae' and 'having had a black friend at school'.

I understand perfectly where Baddiel is coming from here. The whole encounter was predicated on subtle anti-semitism.

I'm as Jewish as you can be and still be an atheist, but I can easily imagine a situation where I'd say 'I'm not that Jewish', not because it's true, but because it is the best option, when confronted with a racist fuckwit.

subtle anti-semitism? Seriously? Ignorance in the face of insecurity, derived from another persons differences i'd go with, but subtle anti-semitism? I think that's a little dramatic, but then I don;t walk the world in your shoes so i'm sure you see it differently.

 

[Kaboul'sForehead]

"Oh come on, I'm not that bothered"

 

[pablo73]

I'd probably use a different set of words, but I've expressed the same sentiment countless times, usually when itchy/twitchy Gentiles, trying to bend over backwards not to appear anti-semitic and uncomfortable, make total arses of themselves by making clumsy 'ha-ha' comments about not eating pork. People who don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity. People who, basically, don't know any Jews and cannot prevent themselves from broadcasting their acute discomfort with anyone of an ethnicity that is not the same as their own.

These kinds of comments are the direct equivalent of itchy/twitchy white people, who feel totally uncomfortable in the presence of black people, making cringeworthy comments about 'liking reggae' and 'having had a black friend at school'.

I understand perfectly where Baddiel is coming from here. The whole encounter was predicated on subtle anti-semitism.

I'm as Jewish as you can be and still be an atheist, but I can easily imagine a situation where I'd say 'I'm not that Jewish', not because it's true, but because it is the best option, when confronted with a racist fuckwit.

While we're talking about things that make people uncomfortable, this is a word that's never sat well with me. It just lumps the rest of the human race together, with the one thing they have in common being that they are not Jewish. It's not as bad as other faiths calling people infidels or non believers but it's along the same lines and I really wish people wouldn't use it. This is coming from someone who thinks all organised religion is a load of nonsense so that probably colours my thinking somewhat.

 

[SFCS]

Baddiel's an arsehole and a hypocrite but not on this one. You're looking for something to complain about if you think his comment last night was anything worth looking at.

I'm far more concerned to find out whether he actually reported the Chelsea fans throwing anti-semitic abuse around. If he did then Chelsea should be in trouble for failing to bring that area of the crowd into order and if not then he's got no right to say that we're the problem.

 

[benski]

I'd probably use a different set of words, but I've expressed the same sentiment countless times, usually when itchy/twitchy Gentiles, trying to bend over backwards not to appear anti-semitic and uncomfortable, make total arses of themselves by making clumsy 'ha-ha' comments about not eating pork. People who don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity. People who, basically, don't know any Jews and cannot prevent themselves from broadcasting their acute discomfort with anyone of an ethnicity that is not the same as their own.

These kinds of comments are the direct equivalent of itchy/twitchy white people, who feel totally uncomfortable in the presence of black people, making cringeworthy comments about 'liking reggae' and 'having had a black friend at school'.

I understand perfectly where Baddiel is coming from here. The whole encounter was predicated on subtle anti-semitism.

I'm as Jewish as you can be and still be an atheist, but I can easily imagine a situation where I'd say 'I'm not that Jewish', not because it's true, but because it is the best option, when confronted with a racist fuckwit.

You say people don't understand the difference between religious observance and ethnicity then call someone racist for talking shit about Jews (a religion not an ethnicity). Sounds like you may be a little confused yourself fella.

 

[teok]

I just think there's something a little bit childish about all the hate. This perception that he hates Spurs which is the only reason he campaigned against the use of the word yid is, I suspect, untrue. And so what if he does hate Spurs? Why care? We hate Chelsea. The level of offence that people seem to take is like the guy has punched our kids in the face.

Totally agree. He isn't a "spurs hater" he just has an opinion about some thing.