Have to say @Gbspurs I;m trying to figure out if I'm transphobic here... I suspect I may be just a bit.
If we are talking about people who change their gender, then I don't really agree with it at all, but thats probably down to me being ingnorant on the matter.
I think it's nice to just not be mean about other people.Its just generational and because it's "New" to people our age and not something we have grown up with so we have to get used to it.
I think its easy for people to label anyone who doesn't agree with something as phobic but I always think as long as you are generally being respecful and not abusive you can feel how you want about these sorts of things.
Sadly some people feel the need to force views on people and if you don't agree you are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic (delete where appropriate).
I think it's nice to just not be mean about other people.
Its just generational and because it's "New" to people our age and not something we have grown up with so we have to get used to it.
I think its easy for people to label anyone who doesn't agree with something as phobic but I always think as long as you are generally being respecful and not abusive you can feel how you want about these sorts of things.
Sadly some people feel the need to force views on people and if you don't agree you are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic (delete where appropriate).
But you have pulled someone up for calling someone else out on being disrespectful... in the case of that it's not about someone choosing to be someone, but about someone who has no choice about who they are.That's pretty much what I said isn't it? Be respectful and not abusive?
Why do you assume that they're messed up? People can't help who they are.Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't ever be mean to anyone going through any sort of changes.
But, I ask myself, would I be happy if ny of my boys turned around to me and said they want to be a woman and change their sex - I'd be gutted, for them mostly, that they were that messed up. I'm not sure I buy into the born in the wrong body, where as I do believe in the mental health aspect, jsut severaly messed up.
Apologies to anyone who is going through this, it's just my view - as I said, probably ignorance. I've supported staff who have gone through this, even more difficult calling them Dave on friday and then Margaret on the monday...
They're obviously not men and your calling them so shows tremendous amounts of ignorance and is massively transphobic.
But you have pulled someone up for calling someone else out on being disrespectful... in the case of that it's not about someone choosing to be someone, but about someone who has no choice about who they are.
That's unfair.
Why do you assume that they're messed up? People can't help who they are.
Hmmm... I'm personally of the opinion that unless you're harming other people, a person should be free to be whoever they want, and do whatever they like. I'm not comfortable with the idea of calling mental illness because that person does something that someone else can't wrap their head around.Because they must be.
Although when I say messed up, I mean mental health type issues, rather than it sounded so derogatory - it's just I type how I speak typically.
A man or women that believes they are in the wrong body, isn't wired correctly, something is broken, be it the body or the mind = messed up.
I just believe we should be assisting those going through those types of thoughts proper support before such drastic changes as operations or chopping off/adding pieces of anatomy they wern't born with.
Its just generational and because it's "New" to people our age and not something we have grown up with so we have to get used to it.
I think its easy for people to label anyone who doesn't agree with something as phobic but I always think as long as you are generally being respecful and not abusive you can feel how you want about these sorts of things.
Sadly some people feel the need to force views on people and if you don't agree you are racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic (delete where appropriate).
Why do you assume that they're messed up? People can't help who they are.
That's how I act I suppose, but how I feel is very different, I just don't feel that we should change a sex as answer to a potential problem.Hmmm... I'm personally of the opinion that unless you're harming other people, a person should be free to be whoever they want, and do whatever they like. I'm not comfortable with the idea of calling mental illness because that person does something that someone else can't wrap their head around.
But I don't want to militant or anything about it. Just... live and let live y'know.
It's far more complicated than that and calling them men just makes it easy for most to understand.
Can anyone explain to me what scientific evidence there is that shows that being born in the wrong body is possible?
Can anyone explain to me what scientific evidence there is that shows that being born in the wrong body is possible?
Not that I want to take this too far off the rails, but are those suicides born out of regretting a "mistake", or depression and stress from the way society treats them?Have you seen the high suicide rates in the transgender community (both in those who go through body alteration and not)? There's clearly something wrong with most of these people, and sadly body alteration doesn't seem to be the solution.
One of the great tragedies of this generation is that we're basically letting these people commit self genocide simply because we're too afraid of hurting their feelings.
I've always really disliked the male body in general....if u look at women's bodies they're perfect, nice boobs at the front for easy access, all the important reproductive stuff is tucked away neatly inside, then you've got the male body, meat and two veg just stuck on the front like some afterthought.I don't think I was born in the wrong body, but I'm not all that chuffed with the one I've got now!