Let's All Laugh At... Let's all laugh at Liverpool thread

Shadydan · Sep 10, 2017

newbie said:
I always think of klopp as over emotional he must affect the players, his not calm at all his so animated, as an opposing manager you must be thinking you can get under his skin and destabilise his team. MP, conte, Jose, fergerson, were/are passionate but keep it a lot more controlled and calm. I think playing for klopp would feel frantic and might give me a heart attack.

Not sure I'd agree about Conte, I'd say he's probably the most intense manager in the league.

slartibartfast · Sep 10, 2017

Phantom said:
Had that red been for a smaller team I doubt any of the pundits would have said a damn thing. Since its Liverpool it is some kind of travesty.

What part of kicking someone in the face (studs first) isn't a red card?

"He was looking at the ball" - well perhaps as a pro footballer who is supposed to be aware of what is going on around him he should work on that particular skill?

"There was no intent" - doesn't need to be intentional if it is dangerous.

"the ref ruined the game" - no he applied the rules, when a player has broken the rules and in such a dangerous way that there was serious concern for the health of the GK,then the ref has no choice!

"I would go for that ball every time" - And you would get sent off every time you made contact with the keeper. You were a dirty wanker as a player Alan we all know that, but you can't seriously be suggesting there was nothing wrong with that challenge. Even if he had won the ball the ref could have still blown for a high dangerous foot next the the keepers head.

The way almost everyone in the media are pulling together to say that wasn't a red card when clearly to everyone, even Liverpool fans, it was, is another one of those things has me questioning 'is this bent?'
2 other things this weekend were Leicester v Chelsea and Arsenal v Bournemouth who both thought going 2 up front against these 2 top teams would be the way to not lose these games. I refuse to believe both these respective managers are that fkin stupid and yet it happened. If I wanted a guaranteed loss its what I would have done.
I don't really believe in a conspiracy but its all a bit puzzling sometimes.

ernie78 · Sep 10, 2017

gilzeantheking said:
One of the comments from the BBC's piece on the game.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41215027

3 minutes ago
Well I never, a refreshingly pro-Liverpool article by the BBC. I expect someone is getting fired soon.

But yes, this freak result influenced in no small part by disgracefully biased refereeing (no doubt via the illuminati) absolutely must be taken into context. A 5-0 defeat is much better than a humiliating 2-2 draw away at Joke City ANY DAY. And at least our manager has a modicum of decency.

newbie · Sep 10, 2017

Shadydan said:
Not sure I'd agree about Conte, I'd say he's probably the most intense manager in the league.

Intense and crazy but klopp to me seems so emotional

nailsy · Sep 10, 2017

Mane didn't complain about the red card. He didn't even look surprised. I'm sure it was accidental, but it deserved a red.

nailsy · Sep 10, 2017

Was Salah injured or was that a tactical sub? It seemed like a really strange move to take off your quickest, most threatening counter attacking player when your down to ten men and need to play on the break. I know OC isn't slow, but it just seemed like the wrong player was taken off.

rossdapep · Sep 10, 2017

Admittedly I have not seen all the post-match programme reviews and all of the pundits input on their display yesterday. However, it's amazing how so many pundits, journos and fans are glossing over how distinctively average their defence is when suggesting they are an excellent team and can win the title. I would be laying into that performance if I was a pundit, they were average before the sending off, yet I've heard so many making it out to be the reason they went on to get thumped when in reality they probably would have lost that game anyway.

Do they even realise that excellent and successful teams are generally built on a solid foundation, regardless of how good they are going forward. Have they all forgotten the 13/14 season where they thought they could just outgun everyone only to realise that once you stop scoring the games up?

Gravy12 · Sep 10, 2017

Klopp staring at the back of Moss as he walked off trying to act the hard man... He is such a classless act

barry · Sep 10, 2017

BringBack_leGin said:
I don't care how biased you are, if you can't see that Many had to go then you're bloody insane. At least most on here had the humility to see that Dele had to go V Gent, this was Dele's challenge but 3 feet higher and while Dele's could have broken a leg, this could have ended a life. Quite frankly if Ederson wanted to report Mane to the police, the prosecution would have a very strong case for aggravated assault.

I hate Liverpool with a passion, and laughed when he got sent off but that's massively ott. I acually agree with the motd pundits. If Kane had a chance to get a 50/50 ball in a similar situation what course of action would appease you. I know if he didn't even challenge I'd be dissapointed,
Mane knew he couldn't make it with his head so he took a gamble by trying to knock the ball past the keeper with his foot, if it had worked, it would of been brilliant forward play, as it didn't it looks bad, but aggravated assault...marone.
I'll say it now, I don't think it was a red. That's the game
Alli's was a petulent hack. Totally different

BringBack_leGin · Sep 10, 2017

barry said:
I hate Liverpool with a passion, and laughed when he got sent off but that's massively ott. I acually agree with the motd pundits. If Kane had a chance to get a 50/50 ball in a similar situation what course of action would appease you. I know if he didn't even challenge I'd be dissapointed,
Mane knew he couldn't make it with his head so he took a gamble by trying to knock the ball past the keeper with his foot, if it had worked, it would of been brilliant forward play, as it didn't it looks bad, but aggravated assault...marone.
I'll say it now, I don't think it was a red. That's the game
Alli's was a petulent hack. Totally different

With all due respect, you are wrong. Studs showing five foot off the ground? It would be different if the goalie had dived at his feet in the area and taken a boot to the face, it would also be different if the goalie and Mane had collided and clashed heads/ Ederson's head hit Mane's shoulder. If the only way to win the ball includes wreck less endangerment of someone's life you don't fucking do it. I'm not saying it was malicious or international, but it was wreckless and the result could have been so much worse. Lucky for all involved that it wasn't.

Dirty Ewok · Sep 10, 2017

SugarRay said:
It's amusing that they simply think that buying a defender or two will cure all their defensive issues. Lovren was supposed to sort it out, then Matip...now it's VVD. Sometimes a coach simply cannot build a top defensive unit. It's one of Klopps flaws ( Brenton also had a similar issue )

As more time goes by, Klopp shows himself to be a proper **** generally speaking. Not likeable in the slightest imo.

Even with the sending off they shouldn't have capitulated as they did. It seems as though they are all more than happy to simply blame the thrashing on the sending off of Mane and move on.

You know who agrees with you?...Jamie Carragher.

He had a debate with Jamie Redknapp on Sky a few weeks back mainly about LFC defending set pieces but Carragher has firmly been on the side of Klopp not putting the defenders in the right position to succeed. Redknapp took the stance that VvD would seemingly solve everything because he was a leader. Whereas Carragher's belief (correctly i think) was that the defenders are not coached to be in the right positions and that if you had VvD he would still be positioned in the wrong place to have an impact defensively.

Mr Pink · Sep 10, 2017

Not a red for me. There is no intent at all, it's just an unfortunate collision.

Furthermore both players are instinctively acting quickly so it's difficult to judge either when the pace of the game is so quick.

If another player attempts an over head kick and catches someone in the face with their follow through, having only eyes for the ball, do they get sent off as well?

absolute bobbins · Sep 10, 2017

Mr Pink said:
Not a red for me. There is no intent at all, it's just an unfortunate collision.

Furthermore both players are instinctively acting quickly so it's difficult to judge either when the pace of the game is so quick.

If another player attempts an over head kick and catches someone in the face with their follow through, having only eyes for the ball, do they get sent off as well?

Intent is not required for a red card, was taken out years ago.

'O Zio · Sep 10, 2017

Mr Pink said:
Not a red for me. There is no intent at all, it's just an unfortunate collision.

Furthermore both players are instinctively acting quickly so it's difficult to judge either when the pace of the game is so quick.

If another player attempts an over head kick and catches someone in the face with their follow through, having only eyes for the ball, do they get sent off as well?

Whether or not there was intent is completely irrelevant rule-wise. The reason it's a red is because it's an extremely dangerous thing to do. Even though he didn't mean to kick the keeper, he caused a situation where that was a likely possibility. I'm not trying to be dramatic but that's genuinely the sort of thing that could, at worst, kill someone if his studs go hard into the guy's temple, for example. Also not unlikely that you could cause a Ryan Mason type injury too. That sort of thing just has to be a red all day long for everybody's sake.

Mr Pink · Sep 10, 2017

absolute bobbins said:
Intent is not required for a red card, was taken out years ago.

I didnt say it was required. I'm just explaining why I wouldnt view it as one.

Dillspur · Sep 10, 2017

Mr Pink said:
Not a red for me. There is no intent at all, it's just an unfortunate collision.

Furthermore both players are instinctively acting quickly so it's difficult to judge either when the pace of the game is so quick.

If another player attempts an over head kick and catches someone in the face with their follow through, having only eyes for the ball, do they get sent off as well?

I would say yes, if your foot is head hight then you know there is a very good chance you kick someone in the head, that is dangerous play and it shouldn't matter about intent

Mr Pink · Sep 10, 2017

'O Zio said:
Whether or not there was intent is completely irrelevant rule-wise. The reason it's a red is because it's an extremely dangerous thing to do. Even though he didn't mean to kick the keeper, he caused a situation where that was a likely possibility. I'm not trying to be dramatic but that's genuinely the sort of thing that could, at worst, kill someone if his studs go hard into the guy's temple, for example. Also not unlikely that you could cause a Ryan Mason type injury too. That sort of thing just has to be a red all day long for everybody's sake.

Ok, so on that basis, two players going in with their head to win the ball is surely dangerous, even though there is no intent from either to hurt the other. That can cause serious injury, do we issues reds in these cases as well?

absolute bobbins · Sep 10, 2017

Mr Pink said:
I didnt say it was required. I'm just explaining why I wouldnt view it as one.

You did say intent in the first line.

'O Zio · Sep 10, 2017

Mr Pink said:
Ok, so on that basis, two players going in with their head to win the ball is surely dangerous, even though there is no intent from either to hurt the other. That can cause serious injury, do we issues reds in these cases as well?

There's a massive difference between going in to head the ball and flying in with your studs showing above waist height. Mane didn't mean to hit the keeper but any reasonable person would know that the keeper was coming out and so by doing that you're putting them in danger.

Either way, if someone goes in for a head recklessly then they can be sent off as well.

Mr Pink · Sep 10, 2017

absolute bobbins said:
You did say intent in the first line.

Yes I did mate.

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