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danielneeds said:
No he keeps saying that the domestic cups won’t change the level of the club. Which is true.

For a man who has no interest in them, he’s taken us to a semi or a final of at least one of them almost every season. Such a lack of interest...
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It’s because the game is lopsided thesedays that until the quarter/semi final stage we don’t meet sides capable of beating us. We beat the goons on the way to our annual semi final defeat this season but they fielded a weaker side than we did. We beat them.

Unfortunately for us, we don’t get the lucky draw and we end up playing one of the big sides, who at that stage take it seriously and beat us.

I think he’d be perfectly happy to draw City in the third round of each and go out early doors. Weirdly, I think there’s fans here who’d take that too.

I understand why Poch wouldn’t be too bothered about it. I don’t agree with it at all but I do understand his point. I don’t understand fans chatting like it though. Very strange.
 
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buckley said:
Well my attitude to players that want out is get rid as soon as possible because believe it or not there are some players that would gladly like to commit to us and as with Carrick;Berbatov; Sherrinham;Bale etc if you want out some it and lets get someone in who wants to play for us and get as much money as you can to fund the purchase of players that want to play for the mighty spurs.
As a side note its sad to hear ex players like Ohara saying because of our cup loss "we are in for another mediocre year" talk about people feeling entitled and that we should be winning everything including the derby and grand national.
As a match going fan since 1951 I am proud that we are in the shake up every season in recent years instead of mid table dross .
You get thrown at you " we have lost the last x amount of semi finals we were in". well the last time I looked there are 92 clubs ; how many of them have reached the semi final stages of competitions the amount of times we have ? not many I can tell you.
I don't feel entitled to win competitions as I don't support Liverpool or Man Unt or City or Chelsea.
I feel proud to support a club that does its day to day business by organic means by that I mean survive on what we earn and spend what we earn not be funded by someone who will underwrite annual debts off hundreds of millions.
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You're right, we're not entitled at all. I would say though that I'm not sure that people will remember or celebrate semi finals all that much. The ones that stick out for me are the ones where we went on to win the trophy. I sense that you might be making the point that we have reached advanced stages in competitions more than a lot of teams, which is true but I don't know, would (Sir) Bill Nicholson have been content with nearly winning? I would humbly say that glory to him was winning matches obviously but ultimately about winning the trophy.

The game has changed and, fair enough, the priority isn't the FA cup but the game today highlighted the fact that we have a great first eleven but not a great squad. We probably won't win the league or CL soon but equally we don't have the players to carry us in all competitions so even though we probably won't win them, we have to prioritise the top 4 finish to get at least into the CL group stage.

I'm as pleased as anyone that it's a well run club but I'm not going to get all excited about how much money we recoup unless a reasonable amount goes into the squad. It's not my job to be an accountant, I'm a supporter. I know that the club is in safe hands with Levy. The question is whether the club is maximising what it can invest without overstretching itself and only the board can really answer that.
 
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riggi said:
Feel like they might want to get out while we are on the up. What with the new stadium.
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It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Don’t think there a chance ENIC want in for a while yet and to try and be part of any London NFL franchise?
 
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SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Is Poch naive enough to think that the players, and fans, are going to be satisfied with winning no trophies and focusing on finishing in the top 4?
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Yep and he’s really starting to piss me off with that attitude and him getting all shitty if someone questions him on it. He can be very precious sometimes.

He keeps on moaning about this being his hardest season. Well, maybe if we practiced penalties in training then we would have won on Thursday. Plus we might have goal keepers who are better at saving them. He can’t have it both ways!
 
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Let's just get some cup perspective here.

Since we won it in 1991, Everton are the only other winner that isn't one of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or City that haven't been relegated and relegated again.

That's a huge domination of the FA Cup by 5 teams. Only 3 others have won in in 29 years and two of them are in league 1 now.

As for the league cup, using the same point in time, winners that aren't those 5 teams or us;

Villa - relegated
Leicester - relegated (yeah yeah, I know....)
Blackburn - relegated
Middlesboro - relegated
Birmingham - relegated
Swansea - relegated

6 times in 29 years one of the top 6 teams hasn't won it and all 6 have been relegated since.

Winning a domestic cup is a mixed bag. It clearly doesn't guarantee you any further success, in fact, unless you're one of the rich 6, you'll probably lose all the players that took you there and end up relegated.
 
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scat1620 said:
Not meaning this in a "fuck off, get out of my club!"-way, but all the same: fuck off with that shit, Poch. Totally disagree with his stance on this.
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This club’s history is built on great FA Cup wins. Maybe he should have a look at the honours board on his way in to training tomorrow.
 
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spursfan77 said:
This club’s history is built on great FA Cup wins. Maybe he should have a look at the honours board on his way in to training tomorrow.
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He’s hardly going to say, we’ve got previous little chance of winning it so I’m concentrating an injury ravaged squad on top 4...
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
Let's just get some cup perspective here.

Since we won it in 1991, Everton are the only other winner that isn't one of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or City that haven't been relegated and relegated again.

That's a huge domination of the FA Cup by 5 teams. Only 3 others have won in in 29 years and two of them are in league 1 now.

As for the league cup, using the same point in time, winners that aren't those 5 teams or us;

Villa - relegated
Leicester - relegated (yeah yeah, I know....)
Blackburn - relegated
Middlesboro - relegated
Birmingham - relegated
Swansea - relegated

6 times in 29 years one of the top 6 teams hasn't won it and all 6 have been relegated since.

Winning a domestic cup is a mixed bag. It clearly doesn't guarantee you any further success, in fact, unless you're one of the rich 6, you'll probably lose all the players that took you there and end up relegated.
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Hear that, but we're not going to be relegated. I can take Poch point to an extent but don't get the Wigan comparison because we're in a completely different position.
 
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spursfan77 said:
Well, maybe if we practiced penalties in training then we would have won on Thursday.
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You can't practice taking penalties in front of 40,000 people though can you?

Just like free kick taking - it's completely different in training compared to match day - it's much more about mentality than anything else.
 
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Unfortunately for the fans, it's all about money. DL and Poch clearly don't give a flying f*** about domestic cups. If we'll manage to secure a top 4 spot position, Levy will be content and IMO again wont buy anybody in the summer window.
 
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TottenhamMattSpur said:
Let's just get some cup perspective here.

Since we won it in 1991, Everton are the only other winner that isn't one of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool or City that haven't been relegated and relegated again.

That's a huge domination of the FA Cup by 5 teams. Only 3 others have won in in 29 years and two of them are in league 1 now.

As for the league cup, using the same point in time, winners that aren't those 5 teams or us;

Villa - relegated
Leicester - relegated (yeah yeah, I know....)
Blackburn - relegated
Middlesboro - relegated
Birmingham - relegated
Swansea - relegated

6 times in 29 years one of the top 6 teams hasn't won it and all 6 have been relegated since.

Winning a domestic cup is a mixed bag. It clearly doesn't guarantee you any further success, in fact, unless you're one of the rich 6, you'll probably lose all the players that took you there and end up relegated.
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When we won it in 1991, we became the record winners of it. Look how far we’ve fallen behind now.
It’s massive in the history of the club
 
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eViL said:
You can't practice taking penalties in front of 40,000 people though can you?

Just like free kick taking - it's completely different in training compared to match day - it's much more about mentality than anything else.
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I’ll use the England team in the summer as an example. They practiced penalties every day at the World Cup. Their goalies were briefed like never before. Both instances got us through penalty shootouts for the first time in decades. The players have repeatedly stated the practice helped as they knew exactly where to hit the ball time and again. I agree you can’t replicate the pressure but you can try to make the players technically capable of hitting fabulous penalties by making them practice them more. Its undeniable.
 
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