freeeki
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The Mauricio Pochettino thread
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Well done boys. Good process
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Which is making the ITK about losing the dressing room/players questioning his constantly changing tactics seem quite near the truth imo.
A lot of posters scoffed at it.
danielneeds
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It's a good squad, yes, but is it as good as City or Liverpools? No. So, what's Jose going to do to bridge the gap? He doesn't coach anymore, he just wants to buy finished product footballers, who have elite mentality and ability. He's not gonna get that here, so what's the point?
Buggsy61
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On the over achievement point - I think a lot (myself included) mean that we have over achieved in terms of the financial resources at our disposal the last three seasons (both transfer fees and wages). You look at the rest of the top 4 and we have consistently had a wage bill 50% of theirs.
In terms of the players we have had in that time, yes we should have won something - even an FA CUP or League Cup, even if we are competing against teams who are backed by countries/money launderers. We are a big club, but sadly also an underachieving one and that goes back before Poch.
We have come very close, but close is not enough, but I just think we would be panicking to sack Poch now. He has earnt the time to turn it around. I was at Old Trafford in 89 when we won 1-0 and the United fans in unison were calling for Fergies head - the rest as they say is history. Firing a good manager like Poch should be the last resort, and not the first one.
In terms of the players we have had in that time, yes we should have won something - even an FA CUP or League Cup, even if we are competing against teams who are backed by countries/money launderers. We are a big club, but sadly also an underachieving one and that goes back before Poch.
We have come very close, but close is not enough, but I just think we would be panicking to sack Poch now. He has earnt the time to turn it around. I was at Old Trafford in 89 when we won 1-0 and the United fans in unison were calling for Fergies head - the rest as they say is history. Firing a good manager like Poch should be the last resort, and not the first one.
Exactly. Alli is barely worth 50 million. He’s been atrocious for two years. Any potential value is totally based off what he did from three to five years ago. Since then he has played like a very average player..
nailsy
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That's true. I don't think anyone can say he hasn't done a brilliant job getting us to where we are today, but the problem now seems to be that those same players have lost their faith in him. That's the big issue for me. He deserves time to get things right and get the new players into the team, but it's only going to work again if the players still believe in him.
freeeki
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One thing I'd like the Poch faithful to address - given that this shocking run of form has now lasted, for all intents and purposes, over a year, and is only looking to be speeding up rather than slowing down, where does your faith that Pochettino has the capability to turn this all around come from?
Surely, if he had that ability, he would have done it by now? Given that you think he has it, and yet hasn't done it, is this not reason enough to get rid?
Surely, if he had that ability, he would have done it by now? Given that you think he has it, and yet hasn't done it, is this not reason enough to get rid?
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There really wasn't. Even the most optimistic people (Barca coming in big for him) were saying 100m would be the top of what we'd expect.
And you're saying that you're valuing him less than the likes of Pepe, Maguire, Lukaku, etc. An England International, attacking midfielder who (barring unfortunate injuries) should guarantee you 10+ goals a season.
Transfermarkt value him at 80 million currently by the way.
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If he walks in tomorrow he probably wants a RB and another attacker. We were clearly looking at Dybala in the last window and there was late ITK on Atal, so we are hardly shopping at Aldi anymore.
I think he smooths things out with the likes of Toby, Jan, Dier and Rose, for better or worse.
Personally I'd rather someone less likely to rock the boat such as Allegri or Benitez (who is a real class act and a quality tactician) should Poch end up leaving, but the Mourinho option certainly intrigues me. Overall I'd always prefer a younger, more hungry philosophy type guy at Spurs in the Poch/Klopp mould, someone like Nagelsmann maybe, but right now I think we're in the unique position where should Poch leave, we need the exact opposite, a more short term proven winner.
nailsy
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In a world where Alex Iwobi cost £35M and Harry Magure £80M+ Dele is still worth a lot more than £50M.
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The one thing I'd say is he'd make us harder to beat and we'd be conceding a lot less. And we have individuals to win us games like Kane and Son etc.
No for one minute am I suggesting it would be a good idea, as you say he'd want top drawer players to bridge the gap and that won't happen
Regardless. He’s been out of form for a long long time.
Spurrific
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He obviously shouldn't go - but he needs to lose this stubborn streak. His in-game management needs massive work, his substitutions are maybe the worst in the any of top leagues. His choices in formation, first 11, substitutions, even words before and after games has actively cost us points of late.
He isn't infallible, he is rightly coming under fire at the moment. He's built a lot of credit with us through being a good lad and giving us good nights, but in 2019 - we have been, and I do not intend this to be hyperbole, one of the worst teams in the league. We've lost more games than Brighton but that's alright?
I still can't fully get over his starting 11 in the CL final, fully butchered any chance of us winning it. I think he's nervous about how awkward he would look celebrating winning trophies, so he goes out of his way to avoid it.
Calling people ridiculous is childish, bollocks. You're ridiculous if you can't objectively evaluate his, and the squad's, performances since the turn of the year.
He isn't infallible, he is rightly coming under fire at the moment. He's built a lot of credit with us through being a good lad and giving us good nights, but in 2019 - we have been, and I do not intend this to be hyperbole, one of the worst teams in the league. We've lost more games than Brighton but that's alright?
I still can't fully get over his starting 11 in the CL final, fully butchered any chance of us winning it. I think he's nervous about how awkward he would look celebrating winning trophies, so he goes out of his way to avoid it.
Calling people ridiculous is childish, bollocks. You're ridiculous if you can't objectively evaluate his, and the squad's, performances since the turn of the year.
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The problem is the likes of Nagelsmann, Favre, Den Tag etc whilst looking like the next master coaches all are risky appointments as they too also may find the next step of winning things too much.
Nagelsmann has only just taken on the RB job so he'll likely be hard to entice. I like the look of Wagner but there would need to be more proof in the pudding. I think it has to be a winner in Mou or Allegri.
It's going to depend on how ambitious Levy and the club are. Which could be worrying.
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I think that's right. The reality of nearly all football managers is that they tend to reach a natural conclusion.
Poch has been by far our best manager for God knows how long. Fact. But it may be that him managing this side has run its course.
I'm also a little worried by the quality of the youngsters coming through - that should have been a priority. But when you compare it to Chelsea and Arsenal we're way behind IMO. Separate point mind you
Gb160
Well done boys. Good process
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Welcome to Spurs Eddie Howe.
I jest but he's just as likely as any other.
Im just about done with 5 year projects.
Hakkz
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Fixed for you. Had Ferguson (that everyone keeps mentioning) stayed on for another 3 seasons he would probably have gone the same route as Wenger. Getting old and losing touch of the modern game. He was intelligent enough to get out in time.
And if they don't have time to reach the natural conclusion, they will get help from a club owner..
jonnyrotten
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Before everyone starts wanking off over those 2019 losses stats - they apply to ALL competitions not just to the PL. Guess what, we were in a lot more competitions than some of the others on the list. It's 10 PL losses not 15 (yes, still not good enough).
Clearly all is not well with the squad. But there have been mitigating circumstances. We were fighting for the title (and then top 4) as well as the champions league on a threadbare squad decimated by injury. Our summer signings have mainly been injured, while a number of our key squad members have either wanted to leave or at least been unsettled.
Given that we have just had our largest levels of investment in the squad under Poch, should we at the very least give him the season to integrate our two record signings into the team?
Clearly all is not well with the squad. But there have been mitigating circumstances. We were fighting for the title (and then top 4) as well as the champions league on a threadbare squad decimated by injury. Our summer signings have mainly been injured, while a number of our key squad members have either wanted to leave or at least been unsettled.
Given that we have just had our largest levels of investment in the squad under Poch, should we at the very least give him the season to integrate our two record signings into the team?
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