The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Gb160]

Jimmys having a mare with his selection of quotes lol.

 

[HildoSpur]

Bloody hell, I'm glad we didn't have some of you lot in the trenches.

Can you give a single example of a manager who has lost the support of many of his players coming through it and turning it around? I can't think of one. We have to be realistic here - this only ever ends one way.

 

[Styopa]

Before everyone starts wanking off over those 2019 losses stats - they apply to ALL competitions not just to the PL. Guess what, we were in a lot more competitions than some of the others on the list. It's 10 PL losses not 15 (yes, still not good enough).

Clearly all is not well with the squad. But there have been mitigating circumstances. We were fighting for the title (and then top 4) as well as the champions league on a threadbare squad decimated by injury. Our summer signings have mainly been injured, while a number of our key squad members have either wanted to leave or at least been unsettled.

Given that we have just had our largest levels of investment in the squad under Poch, should we at the very least give him the season to integrate our two record signings into the team?

Since the Burnley defeat in Feb which effectively killed off any title ambitions we had, we have averaged 1.16 PL points per match, or 44 points averaged across a 38 game season. Enough points to finish 15th last season. That's from a sample of 18 league matches - nearly half a season. It's been an alarming decline and one we are showing few signs of reversing. Pochettino should absolutely be given the chance to turn things around but part of that is admitting we have been seriously underachieving for a long time now.

 

[Tonio]

Reading the comments here, it’s sad, but understandable, to see how much the lack of silverware has affected the club over the past few years. We don’t have a divine right to win anything, and are certainly are a long way in terms of prestige and resources from winning the league or the CL, despite having come close to both under Poch.

That leaves the domestic cups as realistic targets for a club of our level. Are people really so bothered by our failure to win either of these that they’re willing to throw our best manager in a generation under the bus because of it? And replace him with Mourinho of all people, who most recently won two second rate cups with an unlimited budget at Utd?

Then what is the ultimate goal for fans then? If not to have success with a manager? Because we sure as fuck aren't going to win the league any time soon. The cups are the only realistic chance. The game is about glory isn't it, or at least that's what the club spout. What is"glory"in that context? Answer me that.[/QUOTE]

 

[Trotter]

When we get rid of Poch, and we're meandering in 7th again, you'll see exactly how we're overachieving. I think you all have short memories. We wanted Poch to establish us as CL regulars. He's done that. Now all of a sudden he's poor because we aren't winning silverware.

What silverware do you want? The league? Because that's impossible, not just because of our stature, but because I don't know if you've noticed, you actually have to win 36 out of 38 games to win the league with Liverpool & City in the mix. Do you want the CL? Because we were pretty darn close to winning that. Or did losing the final mean he's a failure? Because one game is a heck of a fine line by which to judge a manager.

Or do you want the Carabao/FA Cup? Because in so far as I'm aware, managers that have won those trophies and fail to achieve anything else, end up sacked. Would you rather finish 6th and be Carabao Cup winners? Or CL regulars and gradually build to something more?

You've all lost your heads.

To answer your question 6th and Carabao Cup winners without a doubt. Damn it I would take 10th and a cup every season.

Seriously graduallly build to something more, what is that meant to mean, you already say we won’t win the league , so what in your winning nothing world are we actually gradually building towards ?

 

[spursfan77]

Can you give a single example of a manager who has lost the support of many of his players coming through it and turning it around? I can't think of one. We have to be realistic here - this only ever ends one way.

Sad but true

 

[SpartanSpur]

To the people saying we are all being ridiculous for even considering replacing Poch, have you considered that he may well have lost the dressing room beyond the point of return, and may even lack the hunger and desire needed to turn things around himself? There seems to be a lot more info supporting this than discrediting this, including ITK (Trix, VY, Herc).

How can carrying on in that scenario be a benefit? It's like carrying on in a loveless relationship just to keep up appearances. The players losing belief in him is a far bigger concern for me than not winning the League Cup.

I fully get wanting to be loyal to Poch, he's a legend in my eyes for how he's transformed the club. My first choice is totally for him to fix this and stay another 5 years, but I fear things have got too toxic and a mutual parting may be the best move for all parties. My loyalty first and foremost is with the club, not any one person, and I am concerned a tough decision may be on the cards.

Definitely think Poch needs time, would not surprise me at all for us to beat Bayern and Southampton.

 

[spursfan77]

When we get rid of Poch, and we're meandering in 7th again, you'll see exactly how we're overachieving. I think you all have short memories. We wanted Poch to establish us as CL regulars. He's done that. Now all of a sudden he's poor because we aren't winning silverware.

What silverware do you want? The league? Because that's impossible, not just because of our stature, but because I don't know if you've noticed, you actually have to win 36 out of 38 games to win the league with Liverpool & City in the mix. Do you want the CL? Because we were pretty darn close to winning that. Or did losing the final mean he's a failure? Because one game is a heck of a fine line by which to judge a manager.

Or do you want the Carabao/FA Cup? Because in so far as I'm aware, managers that have won those trophies and fail to achieve anything else, end up sacked. Would you rather finish 6th and be Carabao Cup winners? Or CL regulars and gradually build to something more?

You've all lost your heads.

I 100% agree with you and I suspect the majority want Poch to stay IF HE CAN TURN IT AROUND.

What if he can’t because at the moment it seems that a lot of people aren’t confident he cannot he’s lost the trust of the players and fire in his belly?

 

[King of Otters]

Then what is the ultimate goal for fans then? If not to have success with a manager? Because we sure as fuck aren't going to win the league any time soon. The cups are the only realistic chance. The game is about glory isn't it, or at least that's what the club spout. What is"glory"in that context? Answer me that.

[/QUOTE]

To compete in Europe, to have pride in your club, to finish above your rivals and to win silverware.

I’ll take three out of four personally.

 

[Matthew]

I think one the problems MP has for rebuilding is DL. DL wants to sell high and buy low and of course everybody is wise to him now.

maybe previously, but he dropped 60million on ndombele, 25m on sess, and was willing to spend 70mill on dybala, so thats not quite true is it.

 

[Mr Pink]

To the people saying we are all being ridiculous for even considering replacing Poch, have you considered that he may well have lost the dressing room beyond the point of return, and may even lack the hunger and desire needed to turn things around himself? There seems to be a lot more info supporting this than discrediting this, including ITK (Trix, VY, Herc).

How can carrying on in that scenario be a benefit? It's like carrying on in a loveless relationship just to keep up appearances. The players losing belief in him is a far bigger concern for me than not winning the League Cup.

I fully get wanting to be loyal to Poch, he's a legend in my eyes for how he's transformed the club. My first choice is totally for him to fix this and stay another 5 years, but I fear things have got too toxic and a mutual parting may be the best move for all parties. My loyalty first and foremost is with the club, not any one person, and I am concerned a tough decision may be on the cards.

Definitely think Poch needs time, would not surprise me at all for us to beat Bayern and Southampton.

That's all I've been trying to say, if he doesn't want to be here next season is it any wonder things are getting worse.

Obviously if he does I hope he can turn this around but it has to happen fairly quickly.

 

[yankspurs]

Can you give a single example of a manager who has lost the support of many of his players coming through it and turning it around? I can't think of one. We have to be realistic here - this only ever ends one way.

Because often times the manager doesnt throw those players off to the side. Poch has shown he would do that. Lets hope he does. There are a few players in this team i’d be more than happy to see the back of.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

I don't see how we can change our performances drastically from one day to another - other than if something major happen within the squad.
Poch & the Players need to have an honest meeting, as do Levy&Poch. Do they wanna fight for Poch or not, and will he.
If they don't can get on the same line, I think Levy will know and action is required.

But you don't just change that kind of football from Tuesday to Saturday. Something big is needed other than just normal training.

 

[Blackrat1299]

maybe previously, but he dropped 60million on ndombele, 25m on sess, and was willing to spend 70mill on dybala, so thats not quite true is it.

Leopards do not change their spots. I think I will reserve my judgement till after January, considering MP latest comments.

 

[nailsy]

Regardless. He’s been out of form for a long long time.

He has, but he's also still helped his International side get to the World Cup semi final, helped us to two top four finishes and to get to the Champions League final. And he's still classified as a young player and has years left on his contract. If anyone wanted to buy him from us it would take a lot more than £50M.

Anyway this is all going off topic so agree to disagree?

 

[stevenurse]

To compete in Europe, to have pride in your club, to finish above your rivals and to win silverware.

I’ll take three out of four personally.
[/QUOTE]

You need to up your expectation level mate. Same argument as those who say "yeah but we're better than we were in the 90's"

That doesn't matter. We were fucking quality in the 60's. And what? This is about now.

 

[$hoguN]

We have been awful since the start of last season. Pressing has gone, and has been taking over by questionable formations and slow build up. Players aren’t being picked on form, there is clearly disharmony, we turn up at the CL final like fucking tourists, and Pochettino has been increasingly odd at press conferences with quotes like he would have quit if we won the CL or failing to dismiss speculation about him leaving.

The signs that his time is up are there, the question is do we believe he can turn it around or will Levy pull the trigger. I would like him to turn it around but I can’t see it personally, and I don’t think Levy will be shy about pulling the trigger

 

[shelfboy68]

I 100% agree with you and I suspect the majority want Poch to stay IF HE CAN TURN IT AROUND.

What if he can’t because at the moment it seems that a lot of people aren’t confident he cannot he’s lost the trust of the players and fire in his belly?

That's how I see it I would prefer him to stay but the team look lost we have all the possession in the world but have little or no end product.
I only caught some of the game last night due to WiFi but saw most of the last 20 mins and it was absymal, in fact the last 10 mins they started pushing up trying to get a winner because they sensed we were shot through we carry not threat it's AVB football all over again.

 

[shelfboy68]

We have been awful since the start of last season. Pressing has gone, and has been taking over by questionable formations and slow build up. Players aren’t being picked on form, there is clearly disharmony, we turn up at the CL final like fucking tourists, and Pochettino has been increasingly odd at press conferences with quotes like he would have quit if we won the CL or failing to dismiss speculation about him leaving.

The signs that his time is up are there, the question is do we believe he can turn it around or will Levy pull the trigger. I would like him to turn it around but I can’t see it personally, and I don’t think Levy will be shy about pulling the trigger

I think the financial implications will decide a lot of this as we need CL to help with revenue etc for stadium funding.

 

[DJS]

I think also being fair to Poch we have bought in Lo Celso and Sessegnon to freshen things up a bit and reckon if they were both fit they’d be in the first team right now.

Eriksen needs to be sacked off for now as he just doesn’t seem to care and in hindsight maybe Poch and Levy are at fault in that we should have bought in Fernandes too so we had more options in that attacking midfield area and we’re not reliant on Eriksen.

Poch also needs to stop being a div with all this diamond bollocks now and play a proper 4-2-3-1 and concentrate on getting the most chances to Kane and put Son on left (or right) and have him running in from deep.

I think Dier needs to play now too as given how fragile we are and lacking confidence we need a nasty bastard in midfield to kick the shit out of opposition so either Ndombele or Winks need to partner him (with Ndombele fitness still being worked on one of them can start and then actually be subbed off before 70 minute mark).

Poch needs to be better with subs too.

We need another attacking midfielder in January, possibly a right back if KWP can’t hack it physically (jury is still out for me on him whilst whole squad is lacking confidence) and we need to look at left back, either making Rose feel loved as he seeks that kinda player to me (and I think we handled his situation poorly in January) and Sessegnon should not be relied upon as only attacking left back as would like to have flexibility to use hi. Further up field.

I’m still keeping faith in Poch as he deserves our support given what he has achieved but I think our squad management has been appalling in recent years and we should have been tweaking / adding more players, which has led to us growing a bit stale and also very unlucky not to have two of our three new boys available.