The Mauricio Pochettino thread

BringBack_leGin · Sep 29, 2019

Trix said:
I would imagine from what he's posted he's talking about me. If people want to believe things are all sweetness and light based on yesterday that's up to them, but it's still a long long way to go.

I'm not going into detail but neither of agents I've posted about are representing players with media known issues.

I post what I hear good and bad or I post nothing at all.

Most of us appreciate the insight you provide, know to take it with a pinch of salt, and can see that you’re pretty unbiased. It’s not as if you’ve been afraid to give Levy both barrels before.

fecka · Sep 29, 2019

Let's hope we pick it up from here but we thought that after the crystal palace game as well didn't we.

I'm rooting for Poch and the squad to make it but to anyone thinking that the issues at the club have been resolved by now, surely you can't be so naive?

Primativ · Sep 29, 2019

I’m not convinced yet but you can look at the season so far in two ways.

You could say we were unfortunate and if a bit less sloppy could have won at Leicester and arsenal. Picked up a point at city. Etc etc

But I’m not sure. We were mullered at City, in which was the worst turn up of a spurs side I can remember.

we keep losing leads, and a really narrow win at home over a poor Southampton side isn’t the most convincing regardless of going down to ten men, because we didn’t look very convincing even with 11. We still don’t look a well structured and coached side in my opinion. Based on the teams structure, if I looked at the dugout yesterday and Tim Sherwood was sitting there, I wouldn’t have been surprised, that’s how all over the place we looked at times.

Brighton is now the next big test. Anything less than a win there is unacceptable. We have to arrest our terrible away form.

Shadydan · Sep 29, 2019

Primativ said:
I’m not convinced yet but you can look at the season so far in two ways.

You could say we were unfortunate and if a bit less sloppy could have won at Leicester and arsenal. Picked up a point at city. Etc etc

But I’m not sure. We were mullered at City, in which was the worst turn up of a spurs side I can remember.

we keep losing leads, and a really narrow win at home over a poor Southampton side isn’t the most convincing regardless of going down to ten men, because we didn’t look very convincing even with 11. We still don’t look a well structured and coached side in my opinion. Based on the teams structure, if I looked at the dugout yesterday and Tim Sherwood was sitting there, I wouldn’t have been surprised, that’s how all over the place we looked at times.

Brighton is now the next big test. Anything less than a win there is unacceptable. We have to arrest our terrible away form.

Mate you're wanted in the Harry Winks thread.

Wheeler Dealer · Sep 29, 2019

Primativ said:
I’m not convinced yet but you can look at the season so far in two ways.

You could say we were unfortunate and if a bit less sloppy could have won at Leicester and arsenal. Picked up a point at city. Etc etc

But I’m not sure. We were mullered at City, in which was the worst turn up of a spurs side I can remember.

we keep losing leads, and a really narrow win at home over a poor Southampton side isn’t the most convincing regardless of going down to ten men, because we didn’t look very convincing even with 11. We still don’t look a well structured and coached side in my opinion. Based on the teams structure, if I looked at the dugout yesterday and Tim Sherwood was sitting there, I wouldn’t have been surprised, that’s how all over the place we looked at times.

Brighton is now the next big test. Anything less than a win there is unacceptable. We have to arrest our terrible away form.

Brighton can't score goals, so that should lead to either a 0-0 or edgy 1-0 to us then.

bloodzeed · Sep 29, 2019

if we had 11 vs Southampton we would have gave them a beating Leicester got lucky var call to save them
Hopefully we kick on

Brighton watford up next

McFlash · Sep 29, 2019

Trix said:
I would imagine from what he's posted he's talking about me. If people want to believe things are all sweetness and light based on yesterday that's up to them, but it's still a long long way to go.

I'm not going into detail but neither of agents I've posted about are representing players with media known issues.

I post what I hear good and bad or I post nothing at all.

Exactly, a win over Southampton, as good as it was, doesn't mean that everything is fine all of a sudden.
It's pretty clear that there are issues that still need to be resolved but this is, at the very least, a sign that we're on the right track. Hopefully, Poch can pull us together and sort out the moaners because if he can't, we'll slip back pretty quickly.

This was just one game.
Onwards and upwards.

dondo · Sep 29, 2019

Gb160 said:
Well yesterday was a good response to a tricky week, really hope Poch can continue with this, considering who we're reportedly looking at to replace him if he goes

I’ve missed that, who was it?

Edit. Southgate ?

The Doc · Sep 29, 2019

Primativ said:
I’m not convinced yet but you can look at the season so far in two ways.

You could say we were unfortunate and if a bit less sloppy could have won at Leicester and arsenal. Picked up a point at city. Etc etc

But I’m not sure. We were mullered at City, in which was the worst turn up of a spurs side I can remember.

we keep losing leads, and a really narrow win at home over a poor Southampton side isn’t the most convincing regardless of going down to ten men, because we didn’t look very convincing even with 11. We still don’t look a well structured and coached side in my opinion. Based on the teams structure, if I looked at the dugout yesterday and Tim Sherwood was sitting there, I wouldn’t have been surprised, that’s how all over the place we looked at times.

Brighton is now the next big test. Anything less than a win there is unacceptable. We have to arrest our terrible away form.

That's a bit strong isn't it? Were you at Newcastle when we lost 5:1 against 10 men, or 5:0 at home to Liverpool, or 6:0 away to City? All of these were pretty recent.

DJS · Sep 29, 2019

Wonder why the press never do ask him why he keeps playing a diamond when the4-2-3-1 was so much more successful.

They usually just ask the same old bland boring generic questions...

rez9000 · Sep 29, 2019

I still think it’s too early to draw any conclusions.

We’re still in a situation in which we simply don’t know what the cause of our malaise is / was.

Poch burnout; Poch wanting away; general player discontent; specific player discontent sowing discord; stale tactics; tactics forced by circumstance; stale messaging; weak mentality (however one tries to define something so nebulous), the root cause is very difficult to identify. And it may not even be a single factor acting as the major cause but multiple factors, individually only minor, combining to create significant difficulty.

We can only use outcomes to try and draw conclusions, along with more tangential info provided by the likes of @Trix (thanks, as always for your insights, Trix).

Yesterday's outcome was nice to see, but still doesn’t answer the question as to what the cause of the malaise is.

And that might not necessarily be a bad thing, though. If it’s a few minor ‘niggly’ issues combined that are causing the major problem, maybe yesterday’s result can be the jolt that shakes them all out or shows that they’re not as important as the main objective.

And then again, maybe not. Ultimately, we’re still in a situation in which we need to see more to try and identify what the problem is (and we may never find out). What happens on the pitch against Brighton (and to a lesser extent, Bayern) may help.

My hope is that the Southampton result is a cathartic moment, ‘season-defining’ as JJ put it on MOTD last night, and that we can put whatever it is that’s giving us feet of clay right now behind us. Bayern and Brighton may provide an answer to that hope.

yankspurs · Sep 29, 2019

Well i see some of the doom mongering has arrived. If Poch had lost the dressing room, we’d have capitulated yeaterday. We’d have been done. If not after Serge’s red then certainly after Hugo’s fuck up. We didnt. We won 2-1. Scored before haltime on a great counter, defended well for 25’ in the 2nd half, got 2 stunning saves by our captain and goalkeeper, then were back on the front foot after Poch brought in Lamela and we ended the game even creating a few chances. Hate to break it to all of you but that was not the work of a team who is done with their manager. Yes, it was just 1 game but that was a crucial one. Especially after Saints fans were busy singing sacked in the morning to Poch.

Primativ · Sep 29, 2019

The Doc said:
That's a bit strong isn't it? Were you at Newcastle when we lost 5:1 against 10 men, or 5:0 at home to Liverpool, or 6:0 away to City? All of these were pretty recent.

What I meant is as a supposed top 3 side, we were miles away from them. It was men against boys. I don’t think a top side with a top coach should be as far off as we were especially after being at the club for so long.

TropicalYid · Sep 29, 2019

Happy for the win yesterday but far from convinced we are "all good" now.

wrd · Sep 29, 2019

TropicalYid said:
Happy for the win yesterday but far from convinced we are "all good" now.

I think the notion that we were going to be all good after 1 result shows that people are looking for a microwaveable result, it's going to be a slow process to get up to speed and yesterday was a step in the right direction. It's not going to be smooth sailing from here.

We as a fanbase need to play our part and try not to shit the bed everytime there's a bump in the road. Key example would be yesterday where people were talking about things not being right in dressing room etc because Aurier/Hugo made individual errors, it didn't align with what we were seeing but thankfully Kane squashed that quickly. It's going to take time to get back to our top level, the hope is Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sess push us further.

Primativ · Sep 29, 2019

yankspurs said:
Well i see some of the doom mongering has arrived. If Poch had lost the dressing room, we’d have capitulated yeaterday. We’d have been done. If not after Serge’s red then certainly after Hugo’s fuck up. We didnt. We won 2-1. Scored before haltime on a great counter, defended well for 25’ in the 2nd half, got 2 stunning saves by our captain and goalkeeper, then were back on the front foot after Poch brought in Lamela and we ended the game even creating a few chances. Hate to break it to all of you but that was not the work of a team who is done with their manager. Yes, it was just 1 game but that was a crucial one. Especially after Saints fans were busy singing sacked in the morning to Poch.

I don’t prescribe to the view he has lost the entire dressing room. I do believe he has lost support from a few players though and there is a split.

I do think Poch has possibly taken us as far as he can. It makes me sad to think that, but the league cup exit was dreadful and for a club like us, to continually miss out on winning domestic trophies isn’t good enough.

I do hope Poch stays this season and takes us into the top 3, but for me it will then be time to says our goodbyes and get another coach in. He’d have been at the club for 6 years by then and not won a single trophy. I don’t think that’s good enough really.

There’s no reason why we can’t get top 4 and win a trophy. They aren’t mutually exclusive but we keep missing out and you just feel that under Poch it is just never going to happen.

allatsea · Sep 29, 2019

Primativ said:
I don’t prescribe to the view he has lost the entire dressing room. I do believe he has lost support from a few players though and there is a split.

I do think Poch has possibly taken us as far as he can. It makes me sad to think that, but the league cup exit was dreadful and for a club like us, to continually miss out on winning domestic trophies isn’t good enough.

I do hope Poch stays this season and takes us into the top 3, but for me it will then be time to says our goodbyes and get another coach in. He’d have been at the club for 6 years by then and not won a single trophy. I don’t think that’s good enough really.

There’s no reason why we can’t get top 4 and win a trophy. They aren’t mutually exclusive but we keep missing out and you just feel that under Poch it is just never going to happen.

I am assuming that if he has 'lost the support from a few players' it is why Poch is talking about a rebuild and a transition season. He seems to understand what is required and our chairman is supporting him in the transfer market. Witness the three first team purchases and one very promising player. Plus the good contracts given to Winks, Davies and Sissoko etc. If I am right there will be a big turnover next summer with several senior players going and young players coming in who are talented and anxious to learn from a top coach.

Primativ · Sep 29, 2019

allatsea said:
I am assuming that if he has 'lost the support from a few players' it is why Poch is talking about a rebuild and a transition season. He seems to understand what is required and our chairman is supporting him in the transfer market. Witness the three first team purchases and one very promising player. Plus the good contracts given to Winks, Davies and Sissoko etc. If I am right there will be a big turnover next summer with several senior players going and young players coming in who are talented and anxious to learn from a top coach.

Fair enough. I can’t see Poch staying beyond this year anyway and I don’t think it will necessarily be a club decision.

Coyboy · Sep 29, 2019

yankspurs said:
Well i see some of the doom mongering has arrived. If Poch had lost the dressing room, we’d have capitulated yeaterday. We’d have been done. If not after Serge’s red then certainly after Hugo’s fuck up. We didnt. We won 2-1. Scored before haltime on a great counter, defended well for 25’ in the 2nd half, got 2 stunning saves by our captain and goalkeeper, then were back on the front foot after Poch brought in Lamela and we ended the game even creating a few chances. Hate to break it to all of you but that was not the work of a team who is done with their manager. Yes, it was just 1 game but that was a crucial one. Especially after Saints fans were busy singing sacked in the morning to Poch.

I thought our team was mentally weak?

allatsea · Sep 29, 2019

Primativ said:
Fair enough. I can’t see Poch staying beyond this year anyway and I don’t think it will necessarily be a club decision.

I would be surprised if Levy is backing him in the transfer market so strongly if it isn't without some firm commitment from Poch. Levy has had enough it seems of spending money just to have to change the coaching team and then have another complete overhaul of the squad.

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