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Everlasting Seconds

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Yep. Totally agree.

When you consider that, because of his methods, we will always have a 5 year cycle with the squad, we are already losing a year of having these new signings cause eases them in.

I do think you need to ease some players in, but Poch seems to take it as a rule of thumb and the first season is almost a write off. We nearly lost Sonny cause of it!
I suspect he has too much of a focus on stats, numbers, tests, fat percentages, amount of veggies in the diet etc. etc. etc. t's disappointing to me because when Pochettino was hired, one thing I thought was that he would yes heed those numbers, but at the end of the day look first to the individual player and communicate about how the player was feeling and seeing each individual holistically. This is what I thought. Each individual has a different physical sweet spot. But I almost get the impression now that if you've got a fat percentage of 10.8 rather than 10.0 and had 6 rather than 5 fries for dinner last night, you won't play for the subsequent three months.
 

shelfboy68

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Spot on. It's truly bizarre. He picks players who are fucking useless, and contribute nothing, in Alli and Eriksen for example. Plays them the whole game despite clearly being shit from minute 1. Yet leaves talented players on the bench who clearly can't be any worse than the ones on the pitch Honestly, it's absolutely demented. Our play is slow and laborious, how exactly could the new signings not be upto speed?

Eriksen was so poor, literally one of the worst spurs performances i've ever seen, I could have told you that before kick off as he's been playing like this for a year, Poch picks him. Eriksen still puts in a terrible performance, Poch leaves him on for 90 minutes.

You couldn't make this up. WTF is Levy waiting for? Can't Levy see what we see?
It's difficult for levy to see when you have dollar signs in front of your eyes.
 

rossdapep

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Spot on. It's truly bizarre. He picks players who are fucking useless, and contribute nothing, in Alli and Eriksen for example. Plays them the whole game despite clearly being shit from minute 1. Yet leaves talented players on the bench who clearly can't be any worse than the ones on the pitch Honestly, it's absolutely demented. Our play is slow and laborious, how exactly could the new signings not be upto speed?

Eriksen was so poor, literally one of the worst spurs performances i've ever seen, I could have told you that before kick off as he's been playing like this for a year, Poch picks him. Eriksen still puts in a terrible performance, Poch leaves him on for 90 minutes.

You couldn't make this up. WTF is Levy waiting for? Can't Levy see what we see?
If in a months time Eriksen is still being picked ahead of Lo Celso, Ndombele is still on and off the bench, if Sanchez is not playing every game and if Davies and Sess are not rotating the LB spot, I will be absolutely done with Poch. At this point there is no excuse for these players to be getting significant game time if he wants them gone. We are almost 2 months away from having this 'clearout' but it should be starting now.
 

spursfan77

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I suspect he has too much of a focus on stats, numbers, tests, fat percentages, amount of veggies in the diet etc. etc. etc. t's disappointing to me because when Pochettino was hired, one thing I thought was that he would yes heed those numbers, but at the end of the day look first to the individual player and communicate about how the player was feeling and seeing each individual holistically. This is what I thought. Each individual has a different physical sweet spot. But I almost get the impression now that if you've got a fat percentage of 10.8 rather than 10.0 and had 6 rather than 5 fries for dinner last night, you won't play for the subsequent three months.

Wasn't Dele pictured eating a plate of baked beans on toast in the training ground canteen the other week?

I'm not sure player nutrition is that high on the list when they're being aloud to eat those type of meals on our premises.
 

Shadydan

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Wow, some of you people. It's amazing the wave of folks jumping on Poch but not really having a handle on the situation. Get rid of your entitlement that has been borne of the the good work he has done. The second we didn't fill the gaping holes in this squad and get rid of the players that wanted out top 4 was off the cards - before the season even started. We did not get the painful rebuild we were told was going to happen and now this season will be difficult. How could your expectations be anything but that? The second half of 17-18 was not good and we let ManU pip us. Last season, the whole season and not just the miserable 2nd half, was crap long ball football with no structure. And now this year...

Some people have levied certain criticisms on the players for a few seasons but it's met with happy clappy bs instead of reflection ie 'No, X is world class derp derp derp'. But now that we do not have a functioning team we are seeing that many of our players are not good enough as they lack many of the basic footballing fundamentals.

Take Eriksen. I've defended him his whole time here for being a pussy. I recognized what he was but he was out only creative player and there is no reason to get hurt. But how long have DL/Poch allowed us to go with 1 player being our creative outlet? It is a ridiculous personnel decision. But I have always said that competent footballers can easily replace many of the 'derp derp derp world class' footballers we have and we see that in Ndombele and GLC. They are so much more dangerous merely because they can receive and pass the ball under pressure, basic MF qualities that are lacking in many of our players.

Poch has his faults but they ahve always been there and many have pointed them out, as you can expect, to much criticism from the happy clappy derp derp derp militia. You know how it goes, someone says Poch should start this person or do X, Y, or Z and someone chimes in "so you know more than Poch derp derp derp". Though it's now accepted that his subs are shit (not necessarily changing anything tactically) or very late but those that were first to notice had to suffer the happy clappers' BS. But now you all got your pitchforks and torches and are ready to storm the gates but are still missing the f*cking point. He is still the same manager he always was and with the same faults. It's the players and the personnel decisions. Poch faults are there but they always have been there.

Who else would get more from a group with 5 wantaways from the past year's lineup? Some scream play the other guys but he's got to keep the others sweet until they leave. They may be needed. And, and this is important, why throw a ragtag lineup of players expected to be important for us going forward until there is some semblence of order/teamwork. The man is not working with his expected team yet your expectations are the same. there is the disconnect.

I don't expect top 4 and didn't in the summer. We did not get the painful rebuild we needed. Players allowed to get to their last years without competition was a lesson supposedly learned but apparently was not. But yall need Poch's head to salve your entitled wounds. If he feels let down by the club and doesn't want to be here then fine. But if he wants to be here then there is nothing so far in this season that has made me change my view from the summer. And that view is we a3ren't good enough, the players are not good enough, and we are going to suffer this season. Losing at Anfield doesn't change that. Did any rational person expect anything different?

Jesus Christ Almighty
 

spursfan77

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If in a months time Eriksen is still being picked ahead of Lo Celso, Ndombele is still on and off the bench, if Sanchez is not playing every game and if Davies and Sess are not rotating the LB spot, I will be absolutely done with Poch. At this point there is no excuse for these players to be getting significant game time if he wants them gone. We are almost 2 months away from having this 'clearout' but it should be starting now.

People are in for a massive disappointment if they think we are going to be trading big time in January. Unless we are in the bottom three it will be the same as normal.
 

Zummerzet Spur

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I feel really disillusioned after yesterday:

1) After discovering the improvement provided by Tuesday’s team selection WTF tinker to this extent.

2) Is Poch blind to the fact that Eriksen really couldn’t give a flying f@@k anymore and needs to be excluded.

3) Why the need for mass rotation? Liverpool play a high tempo pressing game yet don’t feel the need to rotate their fullbacks.

4) N’Dombele needs to start every game. If fitness is the issue start him to develop his match fitness and sub him off when he tires.

5) Aurier and Rose are a constant liability and are costing us every game.

6) On yesterday’s performance Toby still cares but Sanchez must start alongside either him or Jan.
 

Jamturk

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I for one am very happy with the trajectory the club has travelled ever since ENIC took over. State of the art facilities and CL qualification whilst attaining this infastructure.

Signing potential world class talents, Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sessengnon.

I am aghast and despairing of the so called supporter of today EXPECTING us to challenge for the title or to win every game, every season until eternity.

We are having a bit of a meh season so 90% of these so called fans want to throw everyone and everything under the bus.

Levy has his faults, Poch has his faults and some of the players are putting their lives, familys and careers before the club.

The slating of Eriksen is abhorent.

I suppose it is a snapshot of society these days, and I think it's pathetic.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Wasn't Dele pictured eating a plate of baked beans on toast in the training ground canteen the other week?

I'm not sure player nutrition is that high on the list when they're being aloud to eat those type of meals on our premises.
I don't really see the problem with that?
Baked beans is low in fat and lowish in carbs, low in cholesterol and decent in fiber. And toast, honestly unless you are in fact medically speaking gluten intolerant, then bread has never killed anybody (in fact quite the opposite).
They have tools to measure the veggies the players eat. True story.
 

spursfan77

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I don't really see the problem with that?
Baked beans is low in fat and lowish in carbs, low in cholesterol and decent in fiber. And toast, honestly unless you are in fact medically speaking gluten intolerant, then bread has never killed anybody (in fact quite the opposite).
They have tools to measure the veggies the players eat. True story.

Ok fair enough then
 

Mr Pink

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Spot on. It's truly bizarre. He picks players who are fucking useless, and contribute nothing, in Alli and Eriksen for example. Plays them the whole game despite clearly being shit from minute 1. Yet leaves talented players on the bench who clearly can't be any worse than the ones on the pitch Honestly, it's absolutely demented. Our play is slow and laborious, how exactly could the new signings not be upto speed?

Eriksen was so poor, literally one of the worst spurs performances i've ever seen, I could have told you that before kick off as he's been playing like this for a year, Poch picks him. Eriksen still puts in a terrible performance, Poch leaves him on for 90 minutes. Can any sane individual tell me how GLC could be any worse than Eriksen yesterday?

You couldn't make this up. WTF is Levy waiting for? Can't Levy see what we see?

I knew when I saw Eriksen in the team again it was curtains for Poch in terms of... Was he building From Tuesday night and eventually changing his ways.

But no, back he went and reverted to type.

He's so fucking stubborn it's unreal.

Said on Tuesday that team selection against Liverpool will tell us all we need to know.

He hasn't learned, he won't change his stubborn ways. Whatever it is enough is enough, time to go.
 

rabbikeane

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People are in for a massive disappointment if they think we are going to be trading big time in January. Unless we are in the bottom three it will be the same as normal.

At this rate it's likely to be a new manager with £250m to spend. Levy will be desperate as soon as he see the relegation battle.
 

Kiedis

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Still on the fence.
But even if he's quite obviously privy to information regarding fitness levels of the likes of Davies, Ndombele and Foyth that us fans aren't, I have issues with some of his selections that I haven't had since Adebayor kept getting games. Hell, just let Lo Celso and Ndombele play 45 minutes each if they can't cut it for 90 yet. It would at least signal something of a rebuild and reduce some of the dissent.
 

Jamturk

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I feel really disillusioned after yesterday:

1) After discovering the improvement provided by Tuesday’s team selection WTF tinker to this extent.

Poch trying to kep everyone happy, involved and showing loyalty to players who have helped him in the past?

2) Is Poch blind to the fact that Eriksen really couldn’t give a flying f@@k anymore and needs to be excluded.

I don't agree Eriksen does'nt give a fuck, it's not happening for him right now agreed but I don't think his attitude or application can be questioned.

3) Why the need for mass rotation? Liverpool play a high tempo pressing game yet don’t feel the need to rotate their fullbacks.

I refer to my answer to statement 1 above.

4) N’Dombele needs to start every game. If fitness is the issue start him to develop his match fitness and sub him off when he tires.

Agreed

5) Aurier and Rose are a constant liability and are costing us every game.

Agreed but options are limited and need addressing ASAP.

6) On yesterday’s performance Toby still cares but Sanchez must start alongside either him or Jan.

Agreed.

 

Klinsmannic

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Worrying thing is that after 5 years we still have no clue against high pressing teams (how many punts up field yesterday??) And teams that park the bus. The team has regressed.
 

gaffers

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So if we sold Kane and Son we'd be well run, but the fact that we can't get rid of players (no different to Liverpool) that are crocked and useless means we're not...?

you're being obtuse Liverpool sold players who were no longer of use too them, their system, yet still had a commercial value. Opposed to Vincent Janssen
 

Cambridge Spur

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It’s breaking my heart seeing us fall apart like this. We have 3 or 4 players that clearly do not want to play for the club anymore yet Poch keeps picking them. We have a good enough squad to be able to leave these players out. I could understand it if they all had long contracts and we wanted to retain some sort of value but this is not the case. My only conclusion is that Poch wants out. It sounds ridiculous to even suggest such a thing but his actions and comments are just bizarre. I can’t believe it’s come to this but I am desperate for him to go now and I fear the longer it goes on the worse it will get. Poch, do the honourable thing and resign. Please!
 

spursfan77

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I want to know what happened in the build up to the Burnley game. It's all gone wrong since losing to Chelsea in the League Cup semi and then that match. Something must of happened behind the scenes then. Looking at the results compared to the games beforehand and it just falls off a cliff. At the time I put it down to fitness issues and injuries after the world cup but that should have changed after a full preseason, when actually I thought we were playing well and looked to have gone back to a game plan that gave us success.

But look at the results. There is no way form falls off a cliff so spectacularly without something happening behind the scenes.

 

jondy1

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Actually, I don't think he is arrogant. I really like the guy and think he's charming. Guess if I was a girl or homosexual I could fell in love with him.. That's the problem. I think he is a nice fella and a good representative for the club. But, unfortunately the results are no longer on his side.
I agree he’s a lovely fella, but my loyalty is with Thfc
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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I wish we had some up to date ITK on what the hierarchy is thinking. At the moment there is no knowing whether they want to sack him or back him.
 
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