Sandros Shiny Head
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It’s pretty clear that Poch had nothing to do with our CL run except for putting out lineups that got us in need for miracles in the first place
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he is you know!
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Well we know we had enough to buy Frenkie de Jong otherwise Poch wouldn't have been trying to persuade him to come in Summer 2018.
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TBH, that’s not like Kane at all. The boy always gives his all every time I see him play, except when he’s carrying a knock. I think he’s pretty exhausted and not just physically. I feel things behind the scenes are getting to the players on a mental level. Of course I have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes but clearly this team is cPanel of much much more so what else can it be?
He got us to a champions league final with Winks and Sissoko in midfield. Think about that for a bit.
The only fact is that he didn’t buy a player. Come back with facts no ITK nonsense
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Is Frenkie de Jong not ITK on Frenkie de Jong?
https://www.skysports.com/football/...nearly-joined-tottenham-before-barcelona-move
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So what are your facts behind your claim that "he wasn’t backed to buy a player for 2 years"?
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Its posts like these that make me shake my head. Your posts imply that our players are not as good as those at Brighton, Sheffield, Newcastle etc who have all beaten us so far, so there is a need to go out and buy.
We have better quality players than them Therefore it stands to reason that the problem is the tactics, selection and game management, where the buck stops with Poch. Poch needs to up his game management and reading of the game or all teams will overtake us, irrespective of who we buy.
I am not questioning Poch's coaching skills as he has made average players better (Sissoko for example) and good players great (Kane for example). The thing is he doesn't seem to know how best to make a winning team out of these improved players.
Most will ask that how come we were so successful the past 3 or 4 years, but I will counter and say that we were an unknown entity then and our limited success (without winning anything) had mostly papered over Poch's game management, where a lot like Bus Conductor, Think tank and others like me questioned it then in parts, but was shouted down by the majority because we had won. Others teams have found us out and are now beating us at our own game where we have no answer
Long story short, not buying players isn't the problem, no need to look further than the man with the clip board.
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Oh please. Poch got us to a CL final? Did he fuck. We were all over the place home and away versus Ajax and away at city. It wasn’t managerial genius that got us there and I would have said the same last May. It was pure individual brilliance.
People make it sound like he masterminded our CL run to the final. Do people even watch football and know anything to make such an absurd claim as he guided us to a final? I’m not trying to belittle Poch’s achievements and at home against city and the Dortmund ties were a bit better from him but that run was a complete fluke. The wheels has already well and truly come off the team at that stage, just look at Dortmund at home first half and look how often they cut us open. Same with Ajax at home. Barcelona thrashed us. City away were all over the place at the back. We were an abomination from a tactical and organisational perspective. It was a fluke run and anyone using getting to the final as some validation of Poch’s managerial abilities is crazy.
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So the players take the credit for the good and he takes the can for the bad. Got it.
No I’m just saying analyse the games properly, we were not well set up in those games. Were you there for the Ajax home leg? We were shit. Ajax away first half was shocking. Did you watch those games and walk away thinking Poch had done well? Take the emotion of getting through the round away from it and ask yourself did we look a well coached and structurally sound team at any stage in the CL knock outs. I would say Man City at home was the only game.
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I would add that dropping the in form player (Lucas) who got us to the final for a player who was not match fit (Kane), will say all you want to know about his Managerial capabilities.
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I also want to add for the sake of balance that I am not saying Poch gets no credit whatsoever. He obviously did some things right, but I’m sick of seeing people using the CL run as some sort of magical defence of his managerial abilities because I am afraid those games and performances do not stand up to scrutiny.
just watched the game and had some thoughts:
First Half
Aurier - poor defensive headers, weak in the challenge
Kane - wow what a miss after 15 mins after a rare bit of good work from Aurier and some good Dele play
Balls from out wide against us are too easy against us - Aurier in particular a problem
Can't have Sissoko at the base of midfield when we have the ball because he can't distribute
30 min first half show cased a few issues. First lose the ball because Sissoko can't distribute. From the corner it breaks to left hand side, Aurier charges out there but then stops and doesn't challenge/ block the ball, when it is played in there is an overload on his side and they end up hitting the post
Son, GLC, Alli bright in moments
Second half
Davies - not switched on enough defensively
Son, GLC, Alli some good connecting
Love Son
Dier not sharp at all
Kane not sharp
VAR is terrible - like Sonny Leic goal
Son should have had a penalty
Moura must think it is an Argentine Brazil thing
Whether it is with Poch or not - the harsh truth is we need 5-6 players out and at least 4 in
Why on earth did we not get AWB????
First Half
Aurier - poor defensive headers, weak in the challenge
Kane - wow what a miss after 15 mins after a rare bit of good work from Aurier and some good Dele play
Balls from out wide against us are too easy against us - Aurier in particular a problem
Can't have Sissoko at the base of midfield when we have the ball because he can't distribute
30 min first half show cased a few issues. First lose the ball because Sissoko can't distribute. From the corner it breaks to left hand side, Aurier charges out there but then stops and doesn't challenge/ block the ball, when it is played in there is an overload on his side and they end up hitting the post
Son, GLC, Alli bright in moments
Second half
Davies - not switched on enough defensively
Son, GLC, Alli some good connecting
Love Son
Dier not sharp at all
Kane not sharp
VAR is terrible - like Sonny Leic goal
Son should have had a penalty
Moura must think it is an Argentine Brazil thing
Whether it is with Poch or not - the harsh truth is we need 5-6 players out and at least 4 in
Why on earth did we not get AWB????
Too expensive. Periera was the one we needed. He would have solved our issues completely. There’s no doubt our recruitment has been shocking and a part of the reason why we have declined, we simply should have signed players like him and Maddison. However it still didn’t excuse Poch for the mess we are in now.
The time and space United players had in and around our box today was unbelievable.
fair - and hey I am going to go and delete my last post - just annoyed generally with all things spurs
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Wake up man!/woman!
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Your view is so simplistic though. Poch was constantly trying things last season because he was left with such a dysfunctional team. How exactly would you set up to beat the best/most on form teams in Europe with Winks and Sissoko in central midfield and a woefully out of form Trippier and Rose at fullback?
There is no correct answer.
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He went to Man Utd
