Eric Dier

SargeantMeatCurtains · Jul 8, 2020

Stamford said:
His brother started it apparently maybe he should take some accountability too

I don’t know this for a fact but if you were in the crowd and you heard someone near you calling your brother a wanker and a fucking ****, would you ignore it? I don’t think it’s as cut and dry to say his brother started it if he was provoked by someone screaming abuse at his brother.

spursfan77 · Jul 8, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Yep. The FA say Dier has a right to appeal.

Fuck it, lets do that then.

I guess we will find out when Mourinho does his press conference. I cant see him lying down over it from what he's like and has said in the past. Especially if it frees him up to play games this season. Seems the sensible thing to do.

mark87 · Jul 8, 2020

Stamford said:
His brother started it apparently maybe he should take some accountability too

Of course he should, but would Eric have known this at the time or did he just see his brother getting abuse and so he went into defense mode?

BringBack_leGin · Jul 8, 2020

King of Otters said:
Shitty timing for the team and for Dier, but I find it hard to disagree with the outcome.

You can’t behave like that as a professional footballer and not expect a severe punishment.

On top of that, he made the club look even more fractured and pathetic than it already does. It’s the type of thing that you’d expect to see happen at Arsenal to Xhaka or Luiz.

I genuinely wouldn’t give a shit if we moved him on in the summer after this.

I find this part in bold a bit extreme, he’s currently our best defender and even when off form has only ever player with commitment and passion for us. Furthermore, and I’m paraphrasing someone who knows him personally here, he’s a genuinely good person who cares about those around him. Thus person I’m referring to (West Ham fan)is heavily involved with the England side, just a normal guy, and was directly supported by Dier during an international tournament where he was having family struggles owing to being away from his wife and kids for all those weeks.

I say this because firstly I think good character is important in making a judgement on someone’s behaviour, and Dier has it in spades, and secondly because we’ve supported players who’ve done far worse. Ledley King racially abused a Pakistani doorman, Johnathan Woodgate was convicted for his part in a racial aggravated assault, and Hugo Lloris was convicted for drink driving.

Perhaps this is influenced by personal experience, but I believe a good person can slip and do a bad thing, be punished, learn from it, and continue as normal afterwards. So I personally would be upset were we to ship out a long serving player who is amongst our most important in the prime of his career because of his first mistake.

mark87 · Jul 8, 2020

I don't think Eric or the club will appeal, I think we'll just move on.

wirE · Jul 8, 2020

mark_2017 said:
Would Eric have known at the time it was his brother who started it? He just went to go protect his brother, something I see nothing wrong with.

In all fairness, it was the heat of the moment. You can't see or hear everything. Surely we would have done the same thing if it were us

vuzp · Jul 8, 2020

lets face it if a fan came onto the pitch to square up to a player they would get a life ban from the club.
Players can't go doing these things.

C0YS · Jul 8, 2020

UncleBuck said:
It could have been a lot worse, they could have viewed it along the lines of Cantona who got a nine month ban and banned him for three months because of the crowd ‘interaction’.

Those incidents are completely incomparable, which is stated clearly in the report. The FA wanted 6 matches.

mark87 · Jul 8, 2020

wirE said:
In all fairness, it was the heat of the moment. You can't see or hear everything. Surely we would have done the same thing if it were us

I know I would have done the same, due to be fiercely protective of my family.

BringBack_leGin · Jul 8, 2020

SargeantMeatCurtains said:
Yep. The FA say Dier has a right to appeal.

I’m torn on this. On the one hand this season is unlikely to be anything more than a glorified pre season for the next, so let’s lose him now and have him back for the new season, but then we might have a shot of doing something and he’s getting better in that role every game, so even if it delays the ban, do so as by the new season we’ll have had pre season training to look at defensive shake, a fit again Tanganga and perhaps even a new centre back.

I’m comfortable with whatever the club decide.

Saoirse · Jul 8, 2020

SpartanSpur said:
Overall I think it is a pretty fair assessment, however I think it's also fair to assume he would never have entered the stands had his brother not been involved, making it an exceptional circumstance. When you couple this with the police statement of the fan involved not feeling threatened, and the character reference from Southgate, I think he had quite a strong case in that the actions were not threatening, and it certainly wasn't an angry reaction at the direct abuse from the fan in question, which I feel the sanction implies. He certainly didn't act on any aggressive impulses when he reached the fan.

As I said before, I understand the FA had to make an example of him, but I also feel sympathy for Eric and I fully agree with his statement that he was only thinking of his brother and would not have acted in the way he did under normal circumstances. Like he said he gets abuse all the time and has never acted upon it before.

I guess the reduction of the ban shows some acknowledgement of this from the panel, but I still feel he can be slightly hard done by on the assertion he was 'threatening' based on the reasons stated above. Maybe enough to get an extra game off the ban on appeal at most I'd imagine, in which case it probably isn't worth the risk.

I think there's two factors to be considered there. Firstly, they're probably right to say that the bloke had an incentive to feel threatened. While you're obviously not meant to lie to the police, they're literally never going to be able to prove whether you felt a certain way or not - it's risk-free and has some tangible benefit. Secondly though, he's not the only one to consider here. It may well have scared other fans in the area, and indeed an elderly fan was pushed out of harm's way. As a disabled person (still able to sit in the normal areas rather than the wheelchair/ambulant spaces), the sight of a huge professional footballer charging up the rows heading towards a nasty-looking confrontation, with me not able to get out of the way quickly, would certainly have been threatening, and the same applies to e.g. women, children and the elderly.

yankspurs · Jul 8, 2020

MK Yid said:
Not unhappy with 4 games.
The precedent as such was the 9 months Cantona got, although in that case obviously physical contact was made.

Well that’s one way to put it

C0YS · Jul 8, 2020

mark_2017 said:
I don't think Eric or the club will appeal, I think we'll just move on.

I mean this is the thing, appeal and fail he'd get 6 games, and at possibly at the start of next season. I'm not sure that's a better time.

whitesocks · Jul 8, 2020

thebenjamin said:
They've really made a rod for their backs here. Undoubtedly a black player will be racially abused in future and do exactly what Dier did, and they'll have to ban him for it.

Dixie Dean did exactly that at WHL.

Nicknamed Dixie because of his swarthy complexion,after a game at Spurs, he was the last player to walk off the pitch when a fan shouted: “We’ll get you yet, you black b*****d! ”

A policeman overheard and was set to take action, but was pushed aside by Dean who remarked: “It’s alright officer, I’ll handle this.”
Dean jumped over to the fan, punched him and sent him flying.
The policeman who saw the incident winked at Dixie and said: “That was a beauty but I never saw it officially.”

No action was taken.

spursfan77 · Jul 8, 2020

BringBack_leGin said:
I’m torn on this. On the one hand this season is unlikely to be anything more than a glorified pre season for the next, so let’s lose him now and have him back for the new season, but then we might have a shot of doing something and he’s getting better in that role every game, so even if it delays the ban, do so as by the new season we’ll have had pre season training to look at defensive shake, a fit again Tanganga and perhaps even a new centre back.

I’m comfortable with whatever the club decide.

C0YS said:
I mean this is the thing, appeal and fail he'd get 6 games, and at possibly at the start of next season. I'm not sure that's a better time.

I'd appeal. He might not even be our first choice centre back next season.

Shadydan · Jul 8, 2020

mark_2017 said:
Would Eric have known at the time it was his brother who started it? He just went to go protect his brother, something I see nothing wrong with.

Do you think it's justified jumping into the crowd though either way because that's essentially what he did.

Shadydan · Jul 8, 2020

C0YS said:
Well, maybe fans should stop calling their own players 'wanker' and 'fucking ****' for no good reason. That kind of abuse needs to be dealt with, it just is not acceptable.

I sympathise with Dier, I think a ban is fine. But, I think it does ask broader questions.

Yeah I agree with this, some fans can be horrible but unfortunately that's part and parcel of football and has been for years.

C0YS · Jul 8, 2020

Saoirse said:
I think there's two factors to be considered there. Firstly, they're probably right to say that the bloke had an incentive to feel threatened. While you're obviously not meant to lie to the police, they're literally never going to be able to prove whether you felt a certain way or not - it's risk-free and has some tangible benefit. Secondly though, he's not the only one to consider here. It may well have scared other fans in the area, and indeed an elderly fan was pushed out of harm's way. As a disabled person (still able to sit in the normal areas rather than the wheelchair/ambulant spaces), the sight of a huge professional footballer charging up the rows heading towards a nasty-looking confrontation, with me not able to get out of the way quickly, would certainly have been threatening, and the same applies to e.g. women, children and the elderly.

The second factor was considered and rejected. On the basis that fans, on the whole seemed to be taking photos and not really leaving. But I do get that. Dier's brother definitely did engage in threatening behaviour. The former, I just don't think it's the place for a work hearing to question statements of the man in question, whether it's true or not is another factor.

Again, in that situation, I wouldn't feel threatened, because I'd no that there is no real risk. And also when you can hear Dier's voice in some of the footage, it's particularly raised or a particularly aggressive voice. I would run though, out of the fact it's a well known figure trying to confront you. That's it really. That is a situation most will want to avoid. But it's very different from being threatened.

journeyman · Jul 8, 2020

It’s the punishment I expected, thought it would be 4 or 5 games. We should suck it up, these games now are not hugely important, and any appeal could delay a ban so that it eats into next season.

EastLondonYid · Jul 8, 2020

UncleBuck said:
It could have been a lot worse, they could have viewed it along the lines of Cantona who got a nine month ban and banned him for three months because of the crowd ‘interaction’.

Cantona kung fu kicked a fan ,Dier went in peacefully to take his bruv out of the crowd.....abit different don't you think?

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