Eric Dier

[dagraham]

I dont get the outrage. Was always going to banned

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[wirE]

This just shows that when push comes to shove, the players needs to be better protected. Silly, but on the same side, correctly of Dier to face the idiots that said those things about his family. Too bad his season is now over; he was looking better after the break

 

[Blackrat1299]

So the guy abusing ED told the police:

'that he hadn’t felt threatened by ED’s behaviour during the incident. '

The police concluded:
that the lack of threatening behaviour was one of the deciding factors in the decision to take no further action against ED; and the spectator said [he] [...] had not felt threatened by ED

There is some other interesting things as well. The issue is that to lie under police caution is a criminal offence. Which the report doesn't seem to recognise at all. In fact they make the opposite conclusion, namely they actually outright say that the spectator was lying to the police under caution. Which, is pretty scary to me.

Lying under caution is not a criminal offence, if that is used in court, having made a statement then it becomes perjury, which is a criminal offence.

 

[mark87]

I just don't like the fact that you're not allowed to go protect your family, this is what bothers me.

 

[Mattspur]

As annoying as Dier getting banned is, it's a far more lenient punishment than I expected him to get at the time of the incident.

 

[C0YS]

True, but Hugo did not get banned (apart from from driving) for drink driving.

There's a massive inconsistency there.

Exactly, because it's a personal offence. Something to do with their private life, not their professional life. The only time it is not acceptable is when not doing something would make the FA not look woke enough.

I am really really anti-racism, anti-homophobia and against sexism all that. And I have called these things out and think there should be so much more done in football from racial stereotyping, to be harder on abuse in stadiums and all that.

However, looking through tweets in the past of Andre Gray saying some disgusting homophobic crap, 4 years before, when he was playing non-league and all that, and then banning for something he said but maybe didn't still believe? Should Aurier have banned for past homophobic comments before coming? Vardy gets a fine for using a racial slur in a Casino, actually directing it towards someone but nothing more? Then Bernardo Silva gets a ban for sending an in-joke about his mate, that was racially insensitive to say the least (and living in Spain there are lots of problems with conguitos, a real snack you can buy in the store here), but is not abusive and the post was about his mate, who plays in the team and is in on the joke.

So it's all so confusing and contradictory as the FA continue to not listen to black players and their considerable issues in how the FA handles racism, particularly directed at footballers and rather cares more about the footballers themselves representing some sort of perfect representation, ultimately to help their brand image. So things that play on social media and screens, even things before they were footballers, are more important than things that happen in stands or in play or to real people. Millwall get fined 10k for having large sections of the crowd targeting Son on his ethnicity, Dier gets a fine 4 times as big, for going up to someone for a conversation, however impolite, after being verbally assaulted and having his brother witness that. One is a crime, one isn't.

I don't think it's bias I think it is that they don't know what they are doing, and they are just after trying to protect brand image. Anything structural, or less immediate or visible, is not so important. Player on player is fine as well, because its just 'drama', footballers aren't people guys!

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

This is far from over haha.

We’ll “tactically” appeal it so that he’s available for Bournemouth and, most likely, Arsenal. Any appeal won’t be heard until next week I’m sure so the ban would likely start after the Arsenal match.

Think it makes perfect sense to appeal knowing we won’t win. I’d rather have Dier available now whilst we have something to play for.

 

[C0YS]

Lying under caution is not a criminal offence, if that is used in court, having made a statement then it becomes perjury, which is a criminal offence.

No that's true. But it creates the possibility of it, right. It in itself is not an offence, but the consequences of what you say under caution can lead to an offence that is committed right? So technically it isn't but it still can have legal consequences and result in criminal offence.

Still saying, I know better than are person who made a statement and was involved in it, is really messed up for all kinds of reasons. Particularly as it is all interpretive, it's not objective, purely interpretations of people on video.

I'd of run away if Dier went looking for me in a stand, I would of been scared, but because its Eric Dier and I'm scared of confrontation not because I'd feel threatened.

 

[spursfan77]

So basically the rest of the season - funny it comes now.

Yeah, but we're just unlucky, nothing to do with agenda.

I've been watching football for far too long to not think it is strange that he is banned in time for us to play Arsenal. Had he been banned from the beginning of the restart, what would be his first game back?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I've been watching football for far too long to not think it is strange that he is banned in time for us to play Arsenal. Had he been banned from the beginning of the restart, what would be his first game back?

It's fine. It's over now, we might not see him again this season - depends if Jose feels it's worth it for the final game of the season.

 

[Stamford]

I just don't like the fact that you're not allowed to go protect your family, this is what bothers me.

His brother started it apparently maybe he should take some accountability too

 

[agrdavidsfan]

I have no issue with the punishment at all you can’t leave players go into fan zones and after fans it could cause carnage!

It was a stupid thing to do and in fact I’m shocked at how lenient the ban is.

If anything the club should be looking at the stewards and sacking those involved too

 

[Deleted member 27995]

His brother started it apparently maybe he should take some accountability too

He should issue a public apology for letting his team mates and Jose down, but more so the fans.

 

[spursfan77]

This is far from over haha.

We’ll “tactically” appeal it so that he’s available for Bournemouth and, most likely, Arsenal. Any appeal won’t be heard until next week I’m sure so the ban would likely start after the Arsenal match.

Think it makes perfect sense to appeal knowing we won’t win. I’d rather have Dier available now whilst we have something to play for.

Can we do that then?

 

[EastLondonYid]

I admire Dier for looking out for his bro and i would have done exactly the same .

But... you can't expect that action to receive no punishment, what message would that give to the rest of the league if he got away with it? that its ok to jump into the crowd to sort out a scrap if its someone you know? where does it stop, he is a pro footballer with a huge responsibility with a global audience and young fans.

I was 100% he was gonna kop a ban., but he comes out of this with his head held high looking out for his bruv, even though it was wrong.

 

[Shadydan]

I just don't like the fact that you're not allowed to go protect your family, this is what bothers me.

So every member of the family who starts agro in the stands has a right to be protected a player?

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Can we do that then?

Yep. The FA say Dier has a right to appeal.

 

[C0YS]

So every member of the family who starts agro in the stands has a right to be protected a player?

Well, maybe fans should stop calling their own players 'wanker' and 'fucking ****' for no good reason. That kind of abuse needs to be dealt with, it just is not acceptable.

I sympathise with Dier, I think a ban is fine. But, I think it does ask broader questions.

 

[UncleBuck]

You think a throat grab on another player is the same as running into the stands...think about that for a second.

It's all about the precedent, flare ups happen in matches, players running into the stands just cannot be justified.

It could have been a lot worse, they could have viewed it along the lines of Cantona who got a nine month ban and banned him for three months because of the crowd ‘interaction’.

 

[mark87]

So every member of the family who starts agro in the stands has a right to be protected a player?

Would Eric have known at the time it was his brother who started it? He just went to go protect his brother, something I see nothing wrong with.