Player Watch: Pierre-Emile Højbjerg

Guernman · Aug 4, 2020

Jose isn't going to be given any time or patience from the Media, the Club or the supporters, however unfair that may be. If Ndombele isn't going to have a massive impact next season, it is fair enough if he wants to move him on, especially if that means additional funds for a rebuild now.

Jose prioritises the importance of a player's mentality. It is why he was so eager to back Dier, because he is a leader, even if well off the pace when Jose arrived. That faith is now paying dividends.

It is also why Ndombele may be expendable.

In terms of raw talent, Ndombele is unbelievable and I had such high hopes for him, but there is no question that his mentality is, at the very least, a weakness. In Hojbjerg, we are getting Southampton's captain, and I suspect that will be just as important to Jose as his ability on the pitch.

MindOverMatter · Aug 4, 2020

tiger666 said:
Maybe he doesn't want to be here.

That’s the only thing I can think of, if he’s unhappy and doesn’t want to be here then okay I understand but if it’s levy or Jose I just don’t understand at all.
By all means get PEH but don’t just throw away talent is he doesn’t want to go

Japhet · Aug 4, 2020

MindOverMatter said:
But how can we just casually buy such a young, world class player and sell him just cause of his first season at the club he has been slow... it doesn’t make sense. Why not give him time? We’ve had so many players that started off bad in there first season, doesn’t mean we should get rid

We're talking about Mourinho here. He won't be here in a couple of seasons and only cares about the here and now. I don't suppose for one second he thinks he fucked up selling deBruyne when he won the title the next season. I'd love Ndombele to come good but if he can't be arsed and we can get a good deal we'll just have to suck it up.

JR1994 · Aug 4, 2020

Saoirse said:
I have faith in Jose on the pitch. But on the transfer side this man sold Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah as young players. I can't say I trust his judgement on Ndombele.

So bored of this. Been said over and over again those players went off and took 2/3 seasons to start developing into world class players. Can guarantee most top managers have let players go who have gone on to be better. Ndombele has all the ability in the world to be class. But if he doesn’t want to be here and won’t work for the shirt how long do we just keep him for?

chelmyid · Aug 4, 2020

Saoirse said:
I have faith in Jose on the pitch. But on the transfer side this man sold Lukaku, De Bruyne and Salah as young players. I can't say I trust his judgement on Ndombele.

He sells players for the good of the team. Firstly - nobody has a crystal ball but more importantly if Jose accepts that Ndom is talented but needs that money to build a better team then so be it. Sell him, balance the squad with other signings and win trophies - or keep him, not play him, unbalanced squad which only goes one way - Pogba and Utd ring a bell.

If PEH is the man for Jose then great - levy’s backing him and we only win out of it.

chelmyid · Aug 4, 2020

MindOverMatter said:
But how can we just casually buy such a young, world class player and sell him just cause of his first season at the club he has been slow... it doesn’t make sense. Why not give him time? We’ve had so many players that started off bad in there first season, doesn’t mean we should get rid

It does if he’s the only player that brings in cash giving our new manager the ability to build his own team and squad

Saoirse · Aug 4, 2020

felmani26 said:
If Ndombele doesn't fit in Jose's system and/or buy into his philosophy then I've got absolutely no qualms in him ultimately being sold.

That goes for any player and as you say, if you have faith in Jose on the pitch then everything else is very much secondary because he'll have been a success for this club.

Johno1470 said:
I’ll add a bit more context. He sold Lukaku, KDB and Salah as he wanted to buy or already had prime Diego Costa, Fabregas and Willian at his disposal not forgetting the likes of Pedro, Matic, Lampard too. He also won the league the season after those guys left.

Jose typically doesn’t hang around long enough to bear fruit from the younger players. He’s here to win with us and if he wants players brought in or sold we need to back him 100%.

That's exactly the problem for me. He's not a long-term manager - he doesn't want to stay here forever and build a dynasty, he wants to win some cups and get out. Selling those players may well have been in Chelsea's short-term interests, but it hasn't worked out brilliantly for them in the longer run. In an ideal world I'd have Jose as manager, but would not give him total authority over transfers, but if that's what was necessary to get him in it's a compromise I can accept. I just hope we don't watch Ndombele turn into a world-class player way above our level as Chelsea have done with De Bruyne and Salah, as we'd regret it for a long time.

rossdapep · Aug 4, 2020

I think Jose will be wanting to avoid a Pogba situation. A talented player who kept letting him down by wanting play at his own pace.

Tucker · Aug 4, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Plus the recent KDB article in the Athletic shed a bit more light on it and the player said he probably should of done more. The laziness spouted about what happened to those players quite annoys me for some reason.

Annoys me too, because it is lazy and doesn’t really consider the context of selling them. DeBruyne may not have become the player he is now had he been kept on the bench at Chelsea as a youngster. Being sold because he was being lazy may have been the kick up the arse he needed. Who knows.

chelmyid · Aug 4, 2020

Saoirse said:
That's exactly the problem for me. He's not a long-term manager - he doesn't want to stay here forever and build a dynasty, he wants to win some cups and get out. Selling those players may well have been in Chelsea's short-term interests, but it hasn't worked out brilliantly for them in the longer run. In an ideal world I'd have Jose as manager, but would not give him total authority over transfers, but if that's what was necessary to get him in it's a compromise I can accept. I just hope we don't watch Ndombele turn into a world-class player way above our level as Chelsea have done with De Bruyne and Salah, as we'd regret it for a long time.

Maybe he used to do that - but tel me this - where does he go next? He’s been everywhere and won everything - maybe now he wants to do a 5 or a 10 year stint?

it’s only a guess but so is pressuming he’ll want out in 2 years

just what if he wants to raise a sleeping giant and turn us into a force for years then retire or go in country management - he would possibly go down as the best manager in modern day football - and before I get a tonne of optimistic ratings - doesn’t that sound like something that someone with a huge ego would want?!

spursfan77 · Aug 4, 2020

Tucker said:
Annoys me too, because it is lazy and doesn’t really consider the context of selling them. DeBruyne may not have become the player he is now had he been kept on the bench at Chelsea as a youngster. Being sold because he was being lazy may have been the kick up the arse he needed. Who knows.

I think he intimated that. But how Rashford has credited Mourinho with his development.

mark87 · Aug 4, 2020

Hope this one is wrapped up soon.

Anyone know when the players are back for pre-season?

Vincent30 · Aug 4, 2020

Jose will turn PEH into an absolute monster. I can't wait to finally have some leadership and real brute strength / desire in the middle of the park!! 3m net spend, beautiful.

Saoirse · Aug 4, 2020

chelmyid said:
Maybe he used to do that - but tel me this - where does he go next? He’s been everywhere and won everything - maybe now he wants to do a 5 or a 10 year stint?

it’s only a guess but so is pressuring he’ll want out in 2 years

just what if he wants to raise a sleeping giant and turn us into a force for years then retire or go in country management - he would possibly go down as the best manager in modern day football - and before I get a tonne of optimistic ratings - doesn’t that sound like something that someone with a huge ego would want?!

Perhaps! But I'd rather trust a track record rather than speculation. Everywhere he's been he's had success and then either quickly walked, or seen things gone frankly to total shit and been sacked. Even if he does now want to, it doesn't mean he'll actually be good at something he's never done before. Selling Ndombele is a big gamble and in my opinion probably not a worthwhile one.

nedley · Aug 4, 2020

rossdapep said:
Was watching a video the other day of Gerrard talking about United signing Matic. Said that when United signed him, out of all the players this was the one that feared would make United great again.

He said that playing against someone so big and long was really difficult, he was hard to get past and hard to get off the ball.

As much as people like to focus on how good a player is for the team and how good he is on the ball, it's also important how bad that player is for the opposition. If Hoejbjerg makes us harder to beat, then it's a cracking deal.

Wonderful post.

hutchiniho · Aug 4, 2020

teenageYIDDO said:
If Ndombele goes we need Coutinho in I reckon

Yes please!!!!! TN out, PC and PEH in.

PEH with GLC and PC all of a sudden that is a serious midfield.

I'd be happy to start with PEH.
Next sell TN
And then cross my fingers for PC (although I don't think we will have the finances even close to get him in) Would happily have Brooks as the alternative, even as Plan A

Winks would be a keeper
Sissoko available for sale if needs be, (useful bench option but no longer a starter)

SpursSince1980 · Aug 4, 2020

I'm a little bit stunned that we might be landing a key target so early in the TW. That is highly irregular for 'ol Danny Boy. That said, if this is true, that's great news. As Jose's vision is contingent on having the right type of player in that critically important DM role.

As for Tanguy, I can understand if they are exploring options for his release. We simply cannot have a player who costs that much money, who is getting paid more than just about anyone on the team, simply warming the bench, as the manager doesn't trust them. Moreover, Jose has been around the block a few times. He knows if the player can respond to what's being asked of them, or if they don't have the mentality to change. He's been around Ndom for over 6 months now and has probably concluded that it's unlikely the player will evolve into what Jose needs for the team.

So, if it's possible to recoup what we bought him for, and use that money to bolster the team in other areas, I'm all for it. We seriously do not have the luxury to be babysitting and mollycoddling a player that has an attitude problem. Which is a crying shame, as he up there with some of the most naturally talented players we've seen at Spurs over the last ten years: (Bale, Modders, VDV, Dembele).

I hope Daniel can maintain his focus and will bring in the key players Jose wants to start the season with. Frankly, even if by the start of pre-season training we have PEH and a new RB, I'd say we were in a great spot, as those positions have been Pri1 and Pri2 needs. Any other additions before the close of the TW in early Oct will be icing on the cake.

nedley · Aug 4, 2020

MindOverMatter said:
But how can we just casually buy such a young, world class player and sell him just cause of his first season at the club he has been slow... it doesn’t make sense. Why not give him time? We’ve had so many players that started off bad in there first season, doesn’t mean we should get rid

Its because he really doesn't want to be here.

That would be my guess.

emiley heskey · Aug 4, 2020

Saoirse said:
That's exactly the problem for me. He's not a long-term manager - he doesn't want to stay here forever and build a dynasty, he wants to win some cups and get out. Selling those players may well have been in Chelsea's short-term interests, but it hasn't worked out brilliantly for them in the longer run. In an ideal world I'd have Jose as manager, but would not give him total authority over transfers, but if that's what was necessary to get him in it's a compromise I can accept. I just hope we don't watch Ndombele turn into a world-class player way above our level as Chelsea have done with De Bruyne and Salah, as we'd regret it for a long time.

Chelsea won couple of league titles, fa cup n multiple europa leagues after selling those players and invested the money ... How come those deals were bad short term for chelsea?

Col_M · Aug 4, 2020

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